Help me upgrade my Bushmaster ORC 308 please.

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Yes I do have a Bushmaster ORC 308 and I do know that there is much better out there but, I have this one as a project/tinker with to make it more reliable ect. I have done some searching but have not found the answers I want. I would like to put a quad rail on it, and one that sits flush with the rail on the top receiver. This is the newer Bushmaster that takes pmags, dpms mags. I know DD, Troy and I believe MI makes one but is that it?
I would like to get a better buffer and buffer spring, but dont know which one to get. I would also like to get an adjustable gas block but don't know the diameter. Any help or advice (except to sell it, trash it or give ot away) would be great. Thanks and looking foward to learn some great information here.
 
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I too, have a Bushy ORC and will be awaitin' the responses. I have had mine for several years and have never had a second's trouble from it. It is dependable and reasonably accurate for the intended purpose, which is shootin' stuff if you have to. Don't be so down on your rifle; I'm sure you will get some wise-ass, low-ball offers for it.
 
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What are your end goals? Look? Role/purpose/style? Weight? Range?
What is your budget?
What length handguard do you want?
Are you dead-set on quadrail, or is a modular rail OK?
 
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More of what tactical said! Answering those questions will give you a idea on where to go with the upgrades to the ORC.

I had a ORC, was a decent shooter. Although you don't need a adjustable gas block, but their port hole is oversized, and I would recommend a adjustable block. Barrel diameter for it is .750".

Many makers out their for the rail or tube you may want. Do not forget PRI tube, maybe with a SPR rail with it also.
 
Re: Help me upgrade my Bushmaster ORC 308 please.

I really like my Bushmaster ORC 308. I have shot many of hogs with it. I have a 1-4 power Trijicon AccuPoint. I have also changed my Stock out to a Vltor stock. I put a Yankee Hill QD mount for my suppressor. I would like to put an adjustable gas block but I have not really looked into it much. And a quad-rail would be nice too.
 
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Alright, well, no reply, so I'm going to make some assumptions and we can go from there.
.308 ARs are the best rifle platform on the market right now, if you ask me. I love mine, and plan on owning/building several more. The Orc has a midlength gas system, so if you want an adjustable gas system, you will need to keep that in mind when selecting handguards. You will have to either be able to access the adjustment mechanism through a slot in the handguard, or from the front, in which case they will have to be about 12" or less. I assume, since you got a rifle with a 16" M4 profile barrel, that the goal is to keep this rifle light weight. Since you asked my opinion, I would steer you away from quad rails - they add unnecessary weight to an already heavy platform, and you can hang all the necessary stuff off of a modular handguard with less weight, bulk, and cheese-grater efect. If you have to have a quad rail, get the DD - they're the lightest. JP, VTAC, Apex, Samson, PRI, SWS, and Troy all make good freefloat modular handguards, which is what I would recommend. Most, if not all of those handguards have or can have top rails designed to align with the upper receiver rails.
Your rifle uses the DPMS/Remington/Fulton setup. EVERYTHING from and for those rifles, along with every other "radiused receiver" .308 AR on the market that I am aware of is compatible with yours. A large number of parts from the "slant receiver" SR-25 mag .308 ARs will also work. The Armalite/Noveske stuff is different.
As far as a gas block is concerned, JP has some good setscrew options (I am running one right now). Keep in mind what I said about accessing the set screw with the handguard. My advice would be to run what you have until you have issues. If you have a lot of function issues or primer blowout, it might be a good idea to get an adjustable gas block, because chances are it is over-gassed. Check out Paladin Machine gas blocks - they come highly recommended, and I plan on on replacing mine with one when I get my next barrel, if not sooner.
For an optic, I would highly recommend a 1-4/1-6/1-8 scope. SWFA Super Sniper, Vortex, Burris, Swarovski, IOR, Leupold, Trijicon, S&B, March, and USO all have good options running everywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars.
As for the buffer, what is in there is probably very serviceable. Fulton had a heavy buffer that you could try. Another buffer option is the Enidine hydraulic buffer, but I have heard mixed (mostly positive) reviews on them. They would help with recoil more than a standard buffer, and I liked the one I shot. I've gone back and forth on trying one myself - probably will. Keep in mind, the carbine and rifle buffers for .308 are are different from .223 ARs. I would do this upgrade after you have the rifle setup how you want it, and consider upgrading the buttstock with the buffer and spring to something that would balance the weight a little better. The UBR, ACS, and Vltor E-MOD all work very well on rifles that are more front heavy.
Another upgrade I would STRONGLY recommend is a BCM Gunfighter charging handle.
 
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Won't disagree with anything that Tactical.22 said.

+1 on the Enidine buffer. I have posted about it several times and believe for a precision AR-10 that it would significantly assist with follow-up shots due to smoothing the recoil impulse.

I used mine on an M4 which is a whole other animal, but it significantly helped on follow-up shots and controllability on full-auto.

BTW- I have the old Bushmaster AR-10 and want to mod it so looking forward to see what other suggestions are offered. Mine has about the worst trigger-pull I have ever felt and accuracy is poor. I ran Black Hills match through it and Walmart hunting ammo and the groups were about identical at 2.5 moa IIRC. Needs a barrel, trigger, handguards...
 
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From this;
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To this;
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First off I would strongly advise you to get an adjustable gas block. I tried a few and the one I settled on is a DA7 it is adjustable with just one wrench from the front (not the sides) and has a built in detent that will not come out! The ORC's are way over gassed.

Keep the stock buffer and then buy a SSS flat wire spring it will last 500,000 compressions and will have more power than stock springs.

I went with a Troy extreme rail and I think its the low model. I used the DPMS AR15 tool on the barrel nut to get the stock one off.

I replaced the trigger with a geissele super dynamic enhanced

I also installed a MagPul UBR stock and MOE grip and trigger gaurd. The scope is a Vortex PST 2.5-10X44 Mil/Mil reticle with a Larue mount.

With a Loaded mag in it, it weighs approx 12.4 pounds. The UBR adds about 1 pound (over factory) but it is at the rear so it is not easily felt.


Mine will easily shoot around 1 MOA with bullets over 168gr. Taming the gas pressure is a must in the ORC. I am not sure why but they went way big on the gas port size. It is a very handy rifle even at 12 pounds. The short barrel is great out to 700. Anything over that and I'll get out the 260 or 300weatherby mag.


Feel free to pm me if you have any questions.
 
Re: Help me upgrade my Bushmaster ORC 308 please.

I forgot to mention, once I tamed the over gassing issues my accuracy improved. A good adjustable gas block is worth its weight in gold when you have an over gassed rifle.
 
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Good suggestions from Tac.22. I would also second his opinion of going with modular instead of quad. If you look around at most all of the top AR builders now, they have mostly left the quad rail behind for good reason.
 
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I really want to thank all of you for the positive feedback and great options. I really like the modular idea and believe that is what I will go with. I really like the stock on your gun longarm and tac22 you hit it on the head with what I want to do with my rifle. I do plan on hunting with this rifle as well as target shooting. I have found a scope from Redfield that is a 3x9x52 that I like. Thanks again for the ideas. I will keep you up to date with my upgrades.
 
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Federal gold medal match 175grain or 168 grain, or black hills ammo in 175 or 168.

The UBR is a heavy stock for an adjustable stock. Its approx 1 pound heavier. The thing I like about it is that its brutally tough and the cheek weld stay the same. It could be used as a war club if needed.

 
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I run the UBR on my .308 AR also. It really is great for balancing the weight. (http://vuurwapenblog.com/2009/11/25/ar-15-weight-and-balance-part-1-of-3/)
This is the rifle pretty much as it is now
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Magpul UBR
Fulton Armory A4 Upper
Fulton Upper internals
BCM Mod 3 Large Latch charging handle
DPMS Lower Receiver
DPMS Lower parts
Hogue Grip
Kreiger 18" Lightweight Chrome lined barrel 1/10 twist
JP low profile adjustable gas block
Smith Enterprises Vortex flash hider (Surefire brake in picture)
JP 15" modular free float tube
Falcon 1.5-5 (getting replaced by a SWFA SS 1-6 one of these days)
Diamondhead BUIS
Magpul AFG
4" rail section for AFG
2" rail section for BUIS
2" rail section for light at 10 o'clock (Surefire G2 and VTAC mount now)
VTAC Heavy duty QD swivel socket and swivels
Sheriff of Baghdad sling
Magpul LR308 PMAGs
(and copious amounts of Krylon)

Right now, I actually have the scope off and am just running irons. I like it a lot more than I thought I would, although I'll be putting a scope back on ASAP - just not too impressed with the Falcon. In the current configuration, it is incredibly light, slick, and handy - it weighs in just over 8 pounds empty.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I do have a Bushmaster ORC 308 and I do know that there is much better out there...Any help or advice (except to sell it, trash it or give it away) would be great.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really want to thank all of you for the positive feedback and great options.</div></div>
Bama, honestly, it's a great rifle for the money, and a very attractive project gun. Plenty of guys on here start with DPMS rifles (a lot of guys have them sent of to GAP to be "accurized", though, but anyway). DPMS, Remington, and Bushmaster .308 parts are, in all likelihood, IDENTICAL. Don't be so hard on yourself. I've been tempted to by Orcs on several occasions - you really can't beat the price, and you could re-barrel with a better quality blank/longer gas system/smaller gas port and replace the hand guards with free-float hand guards at the same time, and come out cheaper than most other rigs with what I would wager would be a VERY good shooter.

BTW, welcome to the forum, bro, and congratulations on the new rifle.
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I just bought my Bushy .308 ORC and love it. Learning a lot about different things to try. Will for sure go with the gunslinger, for example. I'm also adding a Troy quad rail and Nikon M-308 BDC 800. Great posts, and thanks. I'm new to this forum, by the way, so I appreciate the wealth of knowledge that's here. Saves me a lot of time and money listening to those that know.
 
Re: Help me upgrade my Bushmaster ORC 308 please.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Careless Cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just bought my Bushy .308 ORC and love it. Learning a lot about different things to try. Will for sure go with the gunslinger, for example. I'm also adding a Troy quad rail and Nikon M-308 BDC 800. Great posts, and thanks. I'm new to this forum, by the way, so I appreciate the wealth of knowledge that's here. Saves me a lot of time and money listening to those that know. </div></div>

Welcome Careless Cowboy. I am still a little new but this site is full of a wealth of information!
 
Re: Help me upgrade my Bushmaster ORC 308 please.

Nothing wrong with your ORC. I have an AP4 that shoots great. I can't bash DPMS. They make an affordable rifle for everyday folks. Would I rather have something high-end? You bet, but with 3 young children, that's completely out of the question.
 
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I'm using one of Slash's heavy buffers in my short AR-10, if your not sure which one you need I'd drop him a message. His website is www.heavybuffers.com
I agree with the recommendation for the Troy TRX Extreme forends, mine has been awesome.
 
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I found that when the gas was adjusted correctly that the rifle shot better. I also added a better tubbs flat wire spring. Those two parts combined make for a smooth shooting 308. The adjustable gas block also makes it possible to run suppressed and un-suppressed.

Get a good gas block (DA7 from SLR, link above)and adjustment is easy and repeatable. some of the gas blocks will lock up due to carbon and will not be adjuatable after one range session. The DA7 is not like that it has a detent that is captured and you can take the screw out gas screw out if needed (unlike most).

I did not need a $100 buffer and to get my ORC running smooth. For less than the $100 sla## buffer I was able to fix the over gassing and have an adjustable system for runing with and with out my can. YMMV
 
Won't disagree with anything that Tactical.22 said.

+1 on the Enidine buffer. I have posted about it several times and believe for a precision AR-10 that it would significantly assist with follow-up shots due to smoothing the recoil impulse.

I used mine on an M4 which is a whole other animal, but it significantly helped on follow-up shots and controllability on full-auto.

BTW- I have the old Bushmaster AR-10 and want to mod it so looking forward to see what other suggestions are offered. Mine has about the worst trigger-pull I have ever felt and accuracy is poor. I ran Black Hills match through it and Walmart hunting ammo and the groups were about identical at 2.5 moa IIRC. Needs a barrel, trigger, handguards...

I have a 308 ORC on order coming my way thanks to Drake Associates out of Shelter Island NY ! I've had mixed results with the Enidine buffer. It worked incredible on my POF 415. The reduce recoil made it a game changer on follow up shots. When I incorporated one on a 308 build I had all kinds of problems getting it to cycle correctly. Once I replaced it with a standard buffer, all my cycle issues disappeared. I might try it again with an adjustable gas block.

Thanks for the info !
 
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