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Help needed in noob precision rimfire selection

CreepyOldGuy

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New here. I have been lurking for quite awhile, wanting to enter the world of precision shooting. I am not new to guns, I have been into pistols for years, recently built my first long guns, a couple of AR's, a 223 pistol and a 308 rifle. Having said that, rifles are still new to me, with the current ammo shortage, I have not had a lot of range time with either. I was thinking of buying something in 300 WM to learn long distance, but reading in this section, I am thinking a 22lr might be best for me to cut my teeth on.

I am looking for a little help in selecting my first precision 22. I want to keep the initial rifle cost to around $500. I want something accurate and that I can customize and make my own down the road. I'm thinking of Ruger Precision, Savage B22 Precision, or?. I'm hoping you guys can enlighten me and help me out with rife selection. Help with a scope would be appreciated too, scope budget ~$300. Thanks!
 
Tikka T1X or one of the up-level CZ-457s like the Pro Varmint.

Tikka makes excellent rifles. I've always wondered why so many of their models - including the T1X - are placed in their signature crappy-plastic stock. If you were to be bitten by the rimfire addiction bug, you'd upgrade the stock. Upgrades = $$... why not look for a more complete package right out of the gate.

I've seen a few of the up-level CZ-457s in matches and at the range. Honestly, from what I saw in terms of accuracy and features compared with what I've seen in T1X performance, I'd go with the 457.

In terms of my background on which I base this recommendation: I started precision rimfire with a CZ-455 (predecessor to the 457) in an MDT LSS-22 chassis. Decent performance; the rifle ("Tacticool" variant) was about $450 and the chassis was a few hundred more (I forget the exact amount. I've had a Vudoo now for a year and a half. I also put together a Ruger RPRf package for my nephew - big disappointment. I know some of the guys who were involved in the RPRf development... the shipped product didn't match their test rigs. I've also had two Tikka centerfire rifles - excellent action and accuracy; the plastic stocks never went more than an arm's length from the boxes - barreled action went straight into MDT chassis.

Bottom line, based on my personal experience with CZ, Tikka, : CZ-457, Pro Varmint or higher variant.

Good luck!

EDIT: Coming back to this, a bit of clarification: the performance difference between the T1X and the 457 series is very likely to be small to practically nonexistent. It may well come down to personal preference and willingness to look at stock upgrades followed by other trinkets and doodads for the two platforms.
 
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Tikka T1x in a KRG Bravo Chassis is a good start...... depending on your definition of precision shooting. The Bravo works well with bipod or rest and a rear bag and you're able to get it for most popular centerfire rifle actions.

There's also a Bravo for CZ rimfires.
 
Tikka T1X or one of the up-level CZ-457s like the Pro Varmint.

Tikka makes excellent rifles. I've always wondered why so many of their models - including the T1X - are placed in their signature crappy-plastic stock. If you were to be bitten by the rimfire addiction bug, you'd upgrade the stock. Upgrades = $$... why not look for a more complete package right out of the gate.

I've seen a few of the up-level CZ-457s in matches and at the range. Honestly, from what I saw in terms of accuracy and features compared with what I've seen in T1X performance, I'd go with the 457.

In terms of my background on which I base this recommendation: I started precision rimfire with a CZ-455 (predecessor to the 457) in an MDT LSS-22 chassis. Decent performance; the rifle ("Tacticool" variant) was about $450 and the chassis was a few hundred more (I forget the exact amount. I've had a Vudoo now for a year and a half. I also put together a Ruger RPRf package for my nephew - big disappointment. I know some of the guys who were involved in the RPRf development... the shipped product didn't match their test rigs. I've also had two Tikka centerfire rifles - excellent action and accuracy; the plastic stocks never went more than an arm's length from the boxes - barreled action went straight into MDT chassis.

Bottom line, based on my personal experience with CZ, Tikka, : CZ-457, Pro Varmint or higher variant.

Good luck!

EDIT: Coming back to this, a bit of clarification: the performance difference between the T1X and the 457 series is very likely to be small to practically nonexistent. It may well come down to personal preference and willingness to look at stock upgrades followed by other trinkets and doodads for the two platforms.


Thank you for the detailed and helpful response. I will look into the CZ 457. It seems like everyone is partial to the T1X. I need to put my hands on a couple of these. A question: what is the Ruger RPRf? A variant of the RPR?
 
Thank you for the detailed and helpful response. I will look into the CZ 457. It seems like everyone is partial to the T1X. I need to put my hands on a couple of these. A question: what is the Ruger RPRf? A variant of the RPR?
You'll get a LOT more info by looking at the sticky threads for the T1X and the 457.

As I said, your choice may come down to personal preference - not to mention availability. While I'm a big fan of Tikka barreled actions, I detest their plastic stocks. Does that mean the plastic stocks are objectively bad? Well, I guess it depends, as someone noted earlier in the thread, on your definition of "precision." The plastic stocks are feather-light and probably nice to carry around hunting, but there's little or nothing "precision" about them. You could certainly start with the plain T1X and put it in an aftermarket stock or chassis as you learn and the addiction takes hold (maybe it won't!). You may be perfectly satisfied with it out of the box - try it and see. I'm a chassis snob; other people like more traditional-profile stocks. If you're one of the latter, the "stock stock" may well not be as icky to you as it is to me.

I'm basing my opinion of the CZ-457 on the two I've actually seen perform on the range coupled with my experience owning a 455. I have not actually shot one. The 457 is rather different from its predecessor 455 - different footprint (a 457 will not mount in a 455 stock or chassis), 60-degree instead of 90-degree bolt, and I think the trigger on the 457 is adjustable (but will still be heavier than many prefer).

I've shot one T1X and haven't seen any others on the range. Honestly, the guy who owned it struggled with it. It would print nice groups with mid-grade match ammo brands for about 35-50 rounds after cleaning, then the thing would seem to foul and groups would degrade. I honestly cannot say if the issue was his particular copy of the rifle or a user-induced problem like over-tightening the stock bolts.

The RPRf is the Ruger Precision Rimfire; some abbreviate it as RPRR (Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle). There's a sticky thread on this rifle as well. It arrived on the rimfire scene riding a lot of hope and expectation that it would perform as well as its big-brother RPR (Ruger Precision Rifle) as an entry-level precision product. In short, it's been a disappointment. I shot my nephew's quite a bit. Compared with the .22s I grew up with, it did fine. Compared with its current competition... not so good. Again, depends on your definition of "precision."

Another new guy question, what barrel length is best? I am seeing 16 - 24" in the CZ and Tikka.
16-20 inches is plenty. The longer barrels - at least in the CZs; I haven't paid any attention to Ruger - are configured with iron sights where the additional sight-plane length aids accuracy, and are mounted in a stock whose drop-at-comb is intended for irons - e.g., way too low for a scope without adding a cheek riser.

There's a wealth of information here in the SH rimfire forum. You'll next be looking at optics. Do a lot of reading here, and don't rush. You're looking at decent rifles, so it's to your benefit to equip it with a decent optic. Think Athlon Midas-TAC, Vortex Viper PST or similar. Again, read a lot before spending.

Hope this helps.
 
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I bought a 16.5" CZ 457 Varmint Precision Chassis a few months ago. It was a little over $800, but my understanding is that the same action and barrel are included with the $500'ish Pro Varmint. I have to say, I have been extremely pleased with the rifle. It has been 100% reliable without a failure of any type, and has proven to be much more accurate than I had anticipated. It routinely prints 50 yard, 5 shot groups averaging .3 to .4" or under using "inexpensive" SK Standard+ ammo (I think the 6x5 that I turned in was a little under .28", with a best in that group a little under .19"). The action is very solid and smooth (smoother than it was initially), and I personally didn't mind paying a little more for the chassis version as I would have likely upgraded at some point anyway. It literally has been more fun to shoot than any other firearm that I have owned in 50+ years of shooting. I have been so impressed with it, in fact, that I purchased the same exact rifle for my wife. I was somewhat worried that I may be dipping into the "barrel lottery" game of possibly not getting a second one that shot as well as the first, but my wife's rifle has proven to be just as accurate and reliable.

I have only handled the Tikka at a gun store, and have never shot one. The action was VERY smooth, smoother than the CZ, and I have read nothing but good reviews about them. For me, the decision was more aesthetic (the barrel on the Tikka seemed a little thin/wimpy compared to the CZ. Silly, I know...), and at the time I wasn't wanting to spend more time and money to upgrade the Tikka's less than stellar stock for a decent chassis. I don't think you would go wrong with either brand, honestly. Neither one is a Vudoo (Or RimX or Deuce etc), but the bang for the buck is hard to beat.

Hope that helps!
 
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I am still in the process of fully evaluating the CZ 457 Pro Varmint alongside the Savage B22 Precision. Currently testing higher end ammo and performance under pressure (NRL22 matches). But here's my initial impression. You mentioned that the purpose of this rifle was

"I want something accurate and that I can customize and make my own down the road. "

I am in the process of breaking in the CZ. I noticed that the action is smooth, reliable and the only additions/upgrade to the rifle is a Yodave trigger spring and Triggers By Scar 25 MOA extended scope rail. The stock fits me fine and I didn't need to get a cheek riser, a more vertical grip, and butt pad extension as I would have done for the Tikka T1x. Therefore, for me, the overall cost of the rifle is lower for the CZ vs the Tikka. The down side is that I had to search long and hard to find the CZ Pro Varmint. Finally, if you want something accurate and customizable to grow into, the CZ after-maket for barrels and native stock/chassis options are more developed/mature (T1x action is mostly compatible with T3 stocks but some modification may be required).

IMO, the Savage B22 Precision has the best chassis of the rifles mentioned here. Action is even smoother than the CZ, but I've had some failure to extract problems every 100-150 rounds. For my NRL22 build purposes and fitment, I have an EGW 20 MOA scope rail and 1 additional MDT butt stock spacer. The factory trigger is an Accutrigger that mimics a 2 stage, with 1.5 lbs pull weight and a cleaner break than the stock adjusted CZ trigger. With the Yodave trigger in the CZ, I personally find that the B22's Accutrigger is more crisp and I prefer the 2 stage-like function of the Accutrigger system. The B22 Precision shoots really well up to 50 yards, but so far with the cheap break-in CCI, Fiocchi, and Aguila standard velocity ammo, the groups just aren't there at 100 yards and beyond. I hypothesize that the bullet driving band scarring when cycling the action may be contributing to the degradation in long range precision.

More testing with various mid to higher grade 22 LR ammo will be conducted as soon as these tropical storms/hurricanes clear up in the Gulf Coast. There are a wealth of information on this forum with people posting data rather than conjecture, that's why I keep coming back.

YMMV, happy shooting.

50 yards, 5 shots with CCI standard velocity, B22 Precision
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50 yards, 5 shots with Fiocchi standard velocity, B22 Precision
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Another T1x vote here. Actually x2 as we bought 2 of them at the same time ( me and wife ). Interesting thing is it looks like we got 2 different runs of the T1x as one has hex fasteners and the other has Torx. Also the barrel roll marks and the receiver markings are also different. No matter. They both shoot amazing with the same lot of Lapua CenterX 😁.