"better" is subjective.How are they better than striker fired or single action?
imho, it is almost impossible to "accidentally" fire a P-series Sig with that heavy DA trigger pull, despite the claims of kate steinle's killer.
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"better" is subjective.How are they better than striker fired or single action?
Like I said, I have some of the most expensive handguns made...even from cz, sign, and H&k....I would never trust one without testing.I can also add that I spent a number of years trying out every popular semi-auto firearm out there and while I appreciate to many aspects of so many firearms, I just kept coming back to Glock.
Here's why.
I wrote this up for a buddy who was caught up in typical gun forum debates over Glock and how Glock does not "innovate" and ... well, you know how it goes. FWIW...
Re. Glock and innovation...
Here's the deal...Glock has provided the world with the most combat-tested, combat-proven firearm ever invented, selling hundreds of millions of them. They are easy to use. Easy to maintain. Easy to shoot. A trained monkey can field strip them. An average IQ human can detail strip them. There are tens of thousands of after-market parts and gizmos for them. You can customize them to your heart's content.
But on the other hand, they perform reliably and consistently right out of the box, even with their stock crappy sights. They get the job done. They are intended to be and always have been combat-accurate handguns useful for CQB situations of every description. They are legendarily resistant to abusive environmental conditions and abusive human operators.
Glock does not need to "innovate" ... they just need to keep their quality control strong and keep churning out these marvelous polymer-framed wonder guns.
The Glock inspires endless online debates among mostly keyboard warriors who have never gone in harms way, never experienced the terror and thrill of the two-way range and have never heard, let alone fired, a single bullet fired in anger in their lives, and hopefully never will. Let these types debate, whine, cry and otherwise *****/moan/debate about Glock not "innovating" all they want. The rest of us will just smile and nod and say, "That's nice, honey."
Glocks work. Period. End of story.
I have an orange....shawdow 2 is for the Poor's! I also have a shadow 2 lolDO NOT shoot a Shadow 2. I warned you.
https://www.guns.com/news/2012/02/17/the-pfeifer-zeliska-the-revolver-in-600-nitro-express for when your done playing around with tiny little pop guns . lol
Like I said, I have some of the most expensive handguns made...even from cz, sign, and H&k....I would never trust one without testing.
I would be comfortable taking a brand new Glock out of the box, loading it, and throwing in a duty holster without firing it first....I know it will work
That kind of consistent reliability doesn't exist in most handguns.
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I love my TSO. Czechmate is next.I have an orange....shawdow 2 is for the Poor's! I also have a shadow 2 lol
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I have been shooting 1911s competitively for almost 35 years, so my go-to was naturally a commander-style for EDC. I couldn't get used to them and for a while carried a BHP. Glocks were so-so for me and SIGs were a no-go as was the HK USP.Have you tried the m&p 2.0?
If you think it’s a reasonable choice and that it’s not better, why would you pick something that’s worse? If you’re not forst you’re last.Did I say that hero?
Handicapping myself on the off chance I might lose my gun and an illegal alien will pick it up doesn’t make sense."better" is subjective.
imho, it is almost impossible to "accidentally" fire a P-series Sig with that heavy DA trigger pull, despite the claims of kate steinle's killer.
if you're handicapped because you are unable to learn trigger control of a DA handgun, i can understand preferring a striker fired pistol.Handicapping myself on the off chance I might lose my gun and an illegal alien will pick it up doesn’t make sense.
H&K is 80’s technology...they are still selling cardboard at diamond prices...they are quality...but exceptionally hypedHave you actually taken any modern brand new H&K pistols out of the box, with quality ammo and had them not go bang?
(Not including if you limp wrist light target 9mm loads).
If you think it’s a reasonable choice and that it’s not better, why would you pick something that’s worse? If you’re not forst you’re last
H&K is 80’s technology...they are still selling cardboard at diamond prices...they are quality...but exceptionally hyped
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Glock does not need to "innovate" ... they just need to keep their quality control strong and keep churning out these marvelous polymer-framed wonder guns.
Things have changed in my personal life and now I look at differently and just don’t want to shoot anymoreGlock 17 or 34, Gen 5, if you have large hands. Glock 19 Gen 5, if not.
I do have to say though that you say you are replacing the firearm you have for "personal reasons" that have nothing to do with the gun? I'm not sure why then you would replace the firearm.
I know there are so many good guns now days it’s awesome! I love the way the CZ P10c feels in my hands, actually all CZ pistols are comfortable. It’s just hard to decide with so many optionsI really like to tweak on the Glock fanboys, especially when they roll out the trope "most issued police sidearm" etc...
They are the most issued sidearm because they are cheap (about 350 for agency price), they are reliable, they are accurate, they are simple, because most cops aren't gun guys or gals.
In regards to the most battle tested, please. That title still belongs to the 1911.
The CZ P10C does have a better trigger than the Glock, MOST but not all, find the feel in the hand of the CZ is better, everything else is pretty much a wash.
Not all Glock holsters will work for the CZ P10.
The P07 and P09 are excellent pistols, as well as any of the 75 series.
In all honesty, find what fits your hand the best, that you like and rock on. It is very hard to go wrong these days.
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I have gun safes full of STI’s and SVI’s but this is still what I find myself drawn to.
my cz orange is my favorite handgun but I haven’t even shot it in over a year.
these 3 handguns in the photo are the only be I’ve shot in over a year..
the Glock 34 with delta point is my duty/carry optics division gun
the Glock 17 is my training/production division gun
the Glock 19 goes everywhere with me as my concealed carry...
I also teach a lot of civilian shooting and LTC classes...these 3 guns are actually relatable to everyday shooters.
Lately I’ve been using a Glock 45 9mm with an rmr as a duty gun...tits!
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Mewho did your stipple / grip work?
Relatively few people have the time or budget to learn to shoot a DA trigger as well as an SA trigger, and even then you’ve never seen one at a Bullseye match have you?if you're handicapped because you are unable to learn trigger control of a DA handgun, i can understand preferring a striker fired pistol.
there is nothing wrong or rare about this, and i would not try to choose for anyone else.
Most people who would consider a DA trigger don’t know why they shouldn’t. Most people aren’t Jerry Miculek or Ernie Langdon.WTF are you babbling about? All I asked the other poster was what is wrong with a da/sa pistol?
I have competed with both personally when time permits and shoot either them "decent" enough since everything is relative.
If you shoot a striker pistol better than a da/sa... Hooray for Charlotte your not the OP
OP should be picking a pistol that "they" shoot the "best" not what you think is a better platform.
My initial question was already answered by the guy I questioned why are you answering for him?
Relatively few people have the time or budget to learn to shoot a DA trigger as well as an SA trigger, and even then you’ve never seen one at a Bullseye match have you?
?I prefer keeping ones finger off the trigger to a heavy trigger.
One of my future goals is to get a Smith 617 with a bobbed hammer and shoot until
I’m good.
P10C is a nice gun to shoot, but I worry about what happens if something goes wrong. They are not simple inside with all of those roll pins.
If you like hammer fired guns like theP30, then also the p226 and cz 75 series/sp01CZ P-07 and P-09.
How are they better than striker fired or single action?
True the p07/p09 are good too, I like the lok grips available on the steel frame. It points a little faster for me when I use the shot timer. I just use the decocker omega typically for carry. But the polymer is lighter by a few ounces. The magazine capacity is a nice thing with the p07/p09FIFY
The CZ P10C is going to be a carbon copy of a Glock.
Handicapping myself on the off chance I might lose my gun and an illegal alien will pick it up doesn’t make sense.
We need a SH USPSA death match
We'll see who's who in the zoo
A two way range would expose a lot of weakness in most people's plans.
In about 20 years, the technology should be about right for someone to setup shooting competitions that are 2 way range simulated.
Your "Sniper" competition is going to be a lot different when it's incoming at the same skill level as your outgoing.
Why wait? Let's get it on now.A two way range would expose a lot of weakness in most people's plans.
In about 20 years, the technology should be about right for someone to setup shooting competitions that are 2 way range simulated.
Your "Sniper" competition is going to be a lot different when it's incoming at the same skill level as your outgoing.
You obviously have never shot one........
Why wait? Let's get it on now.