Range Report Help with JBM

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So I've been experimenting with JBM's Ballistic program on my Iphone and I'm having some problems. I'll use my .223 load for example. It's a 55gr nosler BTV traveling at 3106fps average velocity out of 20" AR with Krieger barrel. Sight height is 2.6 inches. 100yd zero. With G1 drag function and G1 drag model. It give me a 6.17 moa drop at 400 yds. However the actual drop is 4.5 moa at that range. If I change the native drag function to G7 with the same BC of .267, it calls for 4.5 moa drop at 400 but I know the native drag function is with G1 with BC of .267. If I leave native function at G1 with a BC of .267 and change the drag model to G7 it gives a G7 BC of 0.130 but calls for a 6.27 moa drop at 400. I'm not sure how to adjust the inputs to match my trajectory. I tried leaving everything G1 and adjusting BC up but I had to go way up to get the drops to match. What do you guys recommend?

Thanks,
DOC
 
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Where are you located/shooting? Running quick numbers in JBM at several different DA's puts it nearer to 5.5-6 moa actual drop, as you found yourself. Something isn't right and I'm guessing its your initial dope for that range.
 
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Doc, if the only BC you have is for a G1, then don't change to G7. While Ballistic (which, BTW, offers the JBM engine, but is not his product) will convert BCs between different drag models, e.g. from G1 to G7, that doesn't mean the converted BC is correct. For instance, a certain projectile I use has a G1 BC of .445 and a G7 BC of .228. However, Ballistic, when converting from from G1 to G7 reports it as .224 and when converting from G7 to G1 reports it as .454. That would make a difference.

So go with the G1 BC. Then, as suggested, check your other inputs. It is important to know muzzle velocity, temperature and either your station pressure (uncorrected, raw pressure data) or the corrected pressure, which must be combined with the altitude. Ballistic is somewhat confusing in its application of these variables because it has both a "Zero Atmosphere" and a "Current Atmosphere." Zero Atmosphere will only make a difference if you zero at 300 yards or more. But unfortunately, you need to use it. So fill in the details as best you can, selecting "Pressure is Absolute" ON if you have station pressure. You won't need altitude then. Otherwise, set it OFF and enter both the corrected pressure and the altitude.

Make the settings in Current Atmosphere the same. Once you're zeroed, you can alter settings in Current Atmosphere, e.g. temperature, pressure, etc. and leave the Zero Atmosphere settings alone.

Once you've established that you're entering the most accurate parameters possible and using the settings in your ballistics app correctly, then tweaking BC or muzzle velocity slightly to match your actual results is a decent way to go about it. Just try not to change more than one variable at a time or by much. Another good thing about having a 100 yard/meter zero is that it's short enough not to be effected by varying conditions. In other words, you can go back to the range another time and tweak things a bit @ 100, then go over to the longest range available, e.g. I will hit the 300 or 600, to verify the results.
 
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Ok, can i use the altitude ang pressure given by ballistic's gps or do i need to buy a special instrument. I'm in the GA piedmont so its not very hilly. Also, are there any tricks to measuring sight height other than the way I described above?

Thanks,
DOC
 
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Depends how close you are in distance and altitude to the nearest weather station (typically an airport in your area). In your area, given the terrain, that should work. Elsewhere it might not. For example, the airport nearest to where I shoot is in the driest, flattest part of a valley. The two ranges are 1500 and 2200 feet higher and are located in the mountains so the weather is often quite different.
 
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For measuring sight height, I like the method Bryan Litz describes in his Applied Ballistics book: At the end of the objective, measure the bell's diameter with a set of dial calipers. Then, right below it, measure the barrel diameter. Add those two numbers and divide by half, then add the distance between the bell and the barrel - (bell dia. + barrel dia)/2 + gap = sight height
 
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Damn az i was gonna get Ballistic until you just confused the crap out of me!! lol

I'm gonna have to tag this thread so I don't go bananas trying to figure this out!!
 
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To understand what you need to put in for environmental parameters, you may find this reference useful: Barometric Pressure and Ballistic Software

There's no need to get excessively anal about sight height - just take a ruler, and measure from the center of the bolt carrier to the center of the scope tube. Small errors make no difference - to confirm that, just vary the input by 0.25 inches, and see how little difference it makes to the calculation downrange.

But your calculation may not always match the program output. To see why, you may find this useful: Sources of Ballistic Program Inaccuracies

And when it doesn't, my advice is to believe the bullet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depends how close you are in distance and altitude to the nearest weather station (typically an airport in your area). In your area, given the terrain, that should work. Elsewhere it might not.</div></div>
Which is why I prefer to carry my weather station (Kestrel) with me!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For example, the airport nearest to where I shoot is in the driest, flattest part of a valley.</div></div>
Considering the purpose of an airport - one can hardly be surprised!
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