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Rifle Scopes Hensoldt vs s&b
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Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
i think it boils down to which recticle you like better.
if you're using the 0.1 MRAD scopes, both should get you out to 1000 yards in less than one rotation.
IIRC, only the center of the S&B recticle is illuminated, but the mil dots and scale on the bottom are illuminated on the Zeiss.
i think it boils down to which recticle you like better.
if you're using the 0.1 MRAD scopes, both should get you out to 1000 yards in less than one rotation.
IIRC, only the center of the S&B recticle is illuminated, but the mil dots and scale on the bottom are illuminated on the Zeiss.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
6 on one hand and a half dozen on the other. You can't go wrong with either in quality. I'd go S&B personally, the 72mm obj. is just a little too much for me.
Trevor B
OpticsPlanet
6 on one hand and a half dozen on the other. You can't go wrong with either in quality. I'd go S&B personally, the 72mm obj. is just a little too much for me.
Trevor B
OpticsPlanet
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Optics Planet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6 on one hand and a half dozen on the other. You can't go wrong with either in quality. I'd go S&B personally, the 72mm obj. is just a little too much for me.
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Trevor, welcome to the hide!
OP....the Hensoldt does come in a 56mm version too.
The S&B has FFP where the Henny doesn't. Big plus for the S&B there. However, with a big 338 and assuming it's just for pleasure and not work, it's unlikely that you'd shoot it at much less than 24x and if you do you could dial to 12X and do the math.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Optics Planet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6 on one hand and a half dozen on the other. You can't go wrong with either in quality. I'd go S&B personally, the 72mm obj. is just a little too much for me.
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Trevor, welcome to the hide!
OP....the Hensoldt does come in a 56mm version too.
The S&B has FFP where the Henny doesn't. Big plus for the S&B there. However, with a big 338 and assuming it's just for pleasure and not work, it's unlikely that you'd shoot it at much less than 24x and if you do you could dial to 12X and do the math.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Optics Planet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6 on one hand and a half dozen on the other. You can't go wrong with either in quality. I'd go S&B personally, the 72mm obj. is just a little too much for me.
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Trevor, welcome to the hide!
OP....the Hensoldt does come in a 56mm version too.
The S&B has FFP where the Henny doesn't. Big plus for the S&B there. However, with a big 338 and assuming it's just for pleasure and not work, it's unlikely that you'd shoot it at much less than 24x and if you do you could dial to 12X and do the math.
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hard to go wrong either way, both give you lots of adjustment, my advice is to look through both in person and make the call for yourself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Optics Planet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6 on one hand and a half dozen on the other. You can't go wrong with either in quality. I'd go S&B personally, the 72mm obj. is just a little too much for me.
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Trevor, welcome to the hide!
OP....the Hensoldt does come in a 56mm version too.
The S&B has FFP where the Henny doesn't. Big plus for the S&B there. However, with a big 338 and assuming it's just for pleasure and not work, it's unlikely that you'd shoot it at much less than 24x and if you do you could dial to 12X and do the math.
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hard to go wrong either way, both give you lots of adjustment, my advice is to look through both in person and make the call for yourself.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
There are a couple differences that would need more information to give a good choice. Both are good scopes, but one is FFP and the other is SFP.
At this level of scope, they are all going to track and have good glass....so it really comes down to features that you want in that scope.
Just keep in mind the 6-24x56 is a 30mm tube and .05 mil adjustments. Its the odd ball of the Hensoldt line. The 72mm is a 34mm tube and .1 mil adjustments.
If there is anyway that I can help please let me know or give me a call 205-690-8470 is the shop #
There are a couple differences that would need more information to give a good choice. Both are good scopes, but one is FFP and the other is SFP.
At this level of scope, they are all going to track and have good glass....so it really comes down to features that you want in that scope.
Just keep in mind the 6-24x56 is a 30mm tube and .05 mil adjustments. Its the odd ball of the Hensoldt line. The 72mm is a 34mm tube and .1 mil adjustments.
If there is anyway that I can help please let me know or give me a call 205-690-8470 is the shop #
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Wow, I thought I knew Hensoldts, didn't realize the 56mm was a 30mm tube. Thanks Deadly!
Wow, I thought I knew Hensoldts, didn't realize the 56mm was a 30mm tube. Thanks Deadly!
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Also be sure what reticle you really want, Personally, I like the P4 from S&B. The thinner line on a FFP worked better for me.
Trevor B
OpticsPlanet
Also be sure what reticle you really want, Personally, I like the P4 from S&B. The thinner line on a FFP worked better for me.
Trevor B
OpticsPlanet
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
With a 72mm objective and a price that no other scope dares to match, let a lone exceed, the Zeiss Hensoldt certainly comes witH bragging rights. Might be seen as a bit much by many crowds, however. Personally I wouldn't want to deal with that 72mm objective height. Make my scope sit too high on my rifle. If you go Hensoldt, stick with the 56mm objctive and if you want FFP you have to get the 12 or 16 magnification, not the 24. I'm sure those would all be great scopes. Install the Hensoldt on a correctly canted base and you will have a zero stop.
Can't go wrong with the S&B. It IS the quintesential thinking man's sniper scope.
With a 72mm objective and a price that no other scope dares to match, let a lone exceed, the Zeiss Hensoldt certainly comes witH bragging rights. Might be seen as a bit much by many crowds, however. Personally I wouldn't want to deal with that 72mm objective height. Make my scope sit too high on my rifle. If you go Hensoldt, stick with the 56mm objctive and if you want FFP you have to get the 12 or 16 magnification, not the 24. I'm sure those would all be great scopes. Install the Hensoldt on a correctly canted base and you will have a zero stop.
Can't go wrong with the S&B. It IS the quintesential thinking man's sniper scope.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I thought I knew Hensoldts, didn't realize the 56mm was a 30mm tube. Thanks Deadly!</div></div>
The 30mm tube doesn't bother me much, it is the .05 mil adjustments that can be confusing; each revolution gives you only 4 mils, not 5, so you can get lost fairly easily if you are not paying attention. I do like the hollow mil dot reticle very much though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I thought I knew Hensoldts, didn't realize the 56mm was a 30mm tube. Thanks Deadly!</div></div>
The 30mm tube doesn't bother me much, it is the .05 mil adjustments that can be confusing; each revolution gives you only 4 mils, not 5, so you can get lost fairly easily if you are not paying attention. I do like the hollow mil dot reticle very much though.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which scope would you recomend between the zeiss-hensoldt 6-24x72 or a schmidt&bender 5-25x56 io be installed on a Accuracy international AW 338 ?
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PMII 5-25X 56mm with 0.1 MIL adjustments, Gen 2 XR reticle, CCW turrets! IMHO the PMII 5-25X with the Gen 2 XR is the best of the PMIIs', which is why after owning two other high-end FFP scope brands I now own two PMII 5-25X 0.1 MIL Gen 2 XR CCWs'.
The PMII has what I feel <span style="font-style: italic">(pun applies here)</span> to be perfect tension and feel of clicks on the turrets. Sharp, solid, very definite clicks. And mirage notwithstanding - even at 25X, the PMII has excellent resolution and color rendition. Lastly, The Gen 2 XR's fine line width allows a very small aiming point. .5 MOA targets are easily seen and quartered with a Gen 2 XR.
Just be sure to get the AI 45 MOA Mount, as that is what the PMII 5-25X was designed to be mounted on. Without a 45 MOA cant you will not be able to utilize the PMII 5-25X's full <span style="font-style: italic">27.3 MIL elevation range</span> with your .338LM.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Premier Reticles PMII 5-25X / 4-16X Gen 2 XR reticle diagram (shown illuminated):</span></span>
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which scope would you recomend between the zeiss-hensoldt 6-24x72 or a schmidt&bender 5-25x56 io be installed on a Accuracy international AW 338 ?
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PMII 5-25X 56mm with 0.1 MIL adjustments, Gen 2 XR reticle, CCW turrets! IMHO the PMII 5-25X with the Gen 2 XR is the best of the PMIIs', which is why after owning two other high-end FFP scope brands I now own two PMII 5-25X 0.1 MIL Gen 2 XR CCWs'.
The PMII has what I feel <span style="font-style: italic">(pun applies here)</span> to be perfect tension and feel of clicks on the turrets. Sharp, solid, very definite clicks. And mirage notwithstanding - even at 25X, the PMII has excellent resolution and color rendition. Lastly, The Gen 2 XR's fine line width allows a very small aiming point. .5 MOA targets are easily seen and quartered with a Gen 2 XR.
Just be sure to get the AI 45 MOA Mount, as that is what the PMII 5-25X was designed to be mounted on. Without a 45 MOA cant you will not be able to utilize the PMII 5-25X's full <span style="font-style: italic">27.3 MIL elevation range</span> with your .338LM.
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Premier Reticles PMII 5-25X / 4-16X Gen 2 XR reticle diagram (shown illuminated):</span></span>
Keith
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Lamborghini vs Ferrari if you ask me.
If you want a hensoldt talk to HDC-deadly he is good people. Also I think he is or works with the HNIC importer for hensoldt in the USA.
Lamborghini vs Ferrari if you ask me.
If you want a hensoldt talk to HDC-deadly he is good people. Also I think he is or works with the HNIC importer for hensoldt in the USA.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
the 72mm doesnt sit very high at all. Not near as bad as its made out to be. And you guys would be correct, I do work here at HDC the importer for the Hensoldt line, there are 2 of us.....me and Nathan that do this.
the 72mm doesnt sit very high at all. Not near as bad as its made out to be. And you guys would be correct, I do work here at HDC the importer for the Hensoldt line, there are 2 of us.....me and Nathan that do this.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Since they are both excelent quality a question you might asked yourself is, "Am I going to use it in very low light?" If yes go with the Henbsoldt.
Since they are both excelent quality a question you might asked yourself is, "Am I going to use it in very low light?" If yes go with the Henbsoldt.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Thanks for you help. Decided to go with the hensoldt. To be quite honest, because #1 I already have the s&b on my AW 308 which Im very happy with, but to try something different I went for the Hensoldt plus I thought it would look good on top of the AI Ax I ordered. By the way always wondered. Why the Hensoldt name? Why not just Zeiss?
Thanks for you help. Decided to go with the hensoldt. To be quite honest, because #1 I already have the s&b on my AW 308 which Im very happy with, but to try something different I went for the Hensoldt plus I thought it would look good on top of the AI Ax I ordered. By the way always wondered. Why the Hensoldt name? Why not just Zeiss?
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for you help. Decided to go with the hensoldt. To be quite honest, because #1 I already have the s&b on my AW 308 which Im very happy with, but to try something different I went for the Hensoldt plus I thought it would look good on top of the AI Ax I ordered. By the way always wondered. Why the Hensoldt name? Why not just Zeiss? </div></div>
I believe Hensoldt is the military division/brand of Zeiss. At least our optics were all Hensoldt and that's what I remember hearing. I do know that sometime around WW2, Hensoldt was a separate company.
For some reason I thought they changed it to Zeiss GmBH a few years back, but that wouldn't make sense seeing as how there are still new production Hensoldt optics.
I have a Zeiss Zielsechs (6 power) with a pre 1930 production date. I have other modern optics and the Zeiss is still noticeably higher quality.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for you help. Decided to go with the hensoldt. To be quite honest, because #1 I already have the s&b on my AW 308 which Im very happy with, but to try something different I went for the Hensoldt plus I thought it would look good on top of the AI Ax I ordered. By the way always wondered. Why the Hensoldt name? Why not just Zeiss? </div></div>
I believe Hensoldt is the military division/brand of Zeiss. At least our optics were all Hensoldt and that's what I remember hearing. I do know that sometime around WW2, Hensoldt was a separate company.
For some reason I thought they changed it to Zeiss GmBH a few years back, but that wouldn't make sense seeing as how there are still new production Hensoldt optics.
I have a Zeiss Zielsechs (6 power) with a pre 1930 production date. I have other modern optics and the Zeiss is still noticeably higher quality.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Get the S&B because (1) it has alot more elevation travel if you want to shoot at very long distances with a 100 yard zero, (2) a first focal plane reticle helps you judge your initial misses and dial in corrections at any magnification, (3) the AI 45-MOA mount optimizes the up elevation for the S&B, (4) you will want the P4F or H2CMR reticle instead of a standard mil dot that has much larger subtensions.
Get the S&B because (1) it has alot more elevation travel if you want to shoot at very long distances with a 100 yard zero, (2) a first focal plane reticle helps you judge your initial misses and dial in corrections at any magnification, (3) the AI 45-MOA mount optimizes the up elevation for the S&B, (4) you will want the P4F or H2CMR reticle instead of a standard mil dot that has much larger subtensions.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
OEJ,
How much more are we talking in elevation? 5 mils?
FFP/SFP is great and all, most ELR shooters I talk to prefer SFP reticles because it stays a constant size and doesn't cover up more of the target per say. (2) Mirage is a bitch that cant be avoided, neither scope is good enough to nullify the mirage at those distances. In all reality the Mildot does have .2mil increments, but I have never felt under-gunned or hindered by a Mil-Dot.
According to JBM with a 300gr Scenar coming out roughly 2875fps, the Hensoldt runs out of elevation somewhere around 1800 yds, that extra 5 mils that the SB has gets you another 200 yds.....not a huge amount by any stretch
OEJ,
How much more are we talking in elevation? 5 mils?
FFP/SFP is great and all, most ELR shooters I talk to prefer SFP reticles because it stays a constant size and doesn't cover up more of the target per say. (2) Mirage is a bitch that cant be avoided, neither scope is good enough to nullify the mirage at those distances. In all reality the Mildot does have .2mil increments, but I have never felt under-gunned or hindered by a Mil-Dot.
According to JBM with a 300gr Scenar coming out roughly 2875fps, the Hensoldt runs out of elevation somewhere around 1800 yds, that extra 5 mils that the SB has gets you another 200 yds.....not a huge amount by any stretch
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
I thought the reticle in the relationship to the size of the target always stayed the same with a FFP, no matter what the power setting is, which is why long range shooters prefer it over a SFP?
I thought the reticle in the relationship to the size of the target always stayed the same with a FFP, no matter what the power setting is, which is why long range shooters prefer it over a SFP?
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Most ELR shooters prefer the SFP because the reticle doesn't appear to grow in relation to Magnification.
You are correct the reticle stays the same size on an FFP and subtends the same, but as it "grows" it tends to cover more of your target. For ELR most prefer the SFP because it doesn't "grow" and the image grows but not the reticle per say.
Most ELR shooters prefer the SFP because the reticle doesn't appear to grow in relation to Magnification.
You are correct the reticle stays the same size on an FFP and subtends the same, but as it "grows" it tends to cover more of your target. For ELR most prefer the SFP because it doesn't "grow" and the image grows but not the reticle per say.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
Had a mental block moment there for a minute. Wasn't taking into consideration the subtension actually increasing with distance. Was only thinking about range estimation with a FFP.
Had a mental block moment there for a minute. Wasn't taking into consideration the subtension actually increasing with distance. Was only thinking about range estimation with a FFP.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<span style="font-weight: bold">Up Elevation</span>: The available up elevation is a combination of the mount and scope. I haven't researched all of the 34mm mounts available to find the one that is optimum for the 72mm Hensoldt, but let's play around with some numbers for both scopes on an AI, which has a flat base.
With the AI 45MOA mount, the S&B will have 88 MOA (26 mils) of up elevation; the AI mount's cant is designed for this scope.
With a 100-yard zero and flat base, the Hensoldt has 30 MOA of up elevation and can be canted up to 38 MOA to give 68 MOA (20 mils) of up elevation. However, AI doesn't make a mount with 38 MOA cant, the closest one has only 28 MOA. So, with the available AI mount, you get only 58 MOA of up elevation. Perhaps there is a mount somewhere (possibly a Near mount?) for the AIAW that would better match the Hensoldt and also clear the 80 mm-diameter objective bell, but I haven't done the research.
So, the S&B has 88 MOA of available up elevation and the Hensolt has 58MOA (but no more than 68MOA). <span style="font-style: italic">If you consider reticle holdover, then the S&B has 122 MOA of up elevation, and the Hensoldt 75 MOA (but no more than 85 MOA). Even if you don't use all of the available up elevation, the erector is in a more optimum spot in the S&B tube for additional windage and corrections for rail misalignments.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Reticle</span>: Most ER targets that have been reported on SH are a few MOA in size. The P4F S&B reticle subtends 0.035 mils or about 0.13 MOA, much smaller than these targets.
The P4F has tic marks every 0.5 mil on the lower vertical stadia for at least 10 mils, while the Hensoldt has mil dots every mil for only 5 mils; below 5 mils there is a heavy stadia. So, you can add another 10 mils or 34 MOA for the S&B, but only 5 mils or 17 MOA more for the Hensoldt reticle.
<span style="font-style: italic">I presumed the scope would be used for a variety of shooting and the P4F is preferred over the standard mil dot. That's one reason the NH1 was created.</span> I'll bet that long range shooters who prefer a SFP reticle feel that way because the SFP reticle they are using has a smaller subtension than a FFP mil dot.
For those who might think I am Hensoldt bashing, not true. I own <span style="text-decoration: line-through">5</span> 6 Hensoldts!
<span style="font-weight: bold">Up Elevation</span>: The available up elevation is a combination of the mount and scope. I haven't researched all of the 34mm mounts available to find the one that is optimum for the 72mm Hensoldt, but let's play around with some numbers for both scopes on an AI, which has a flat base.
With the AI 45MOA mount, the S&B will have 88 MOA (26 mils) of up elevation; the AI mount's cant is designed for this scope.
With a 100-yard zero and flat base, the Hensoldt has 30 MOA of up elevation and can be canted up to 38 MOA to give 68 MOA (20 mils) of up elevation. However, AI doesn't make a mount with 38 MOA cant, the closest one has only 28 MOA. So, with the available AI mount, you get only 58 MOA of up elevation. Perhaps there is a mount somewhere (possibly a Near mount?) for the AIAW that would better match the Hensoldt and also clear the 80 mm-diameter objective bell, but I haven't done the research.
So, the S&B has 88 MOA of available up elevation and the Hensolt has 58MOA (but no more than 68MOA). <span style="font-style: italic">If you consider reticle holdover, then the S&B has 122 MOA of up elevation, and the Hensoldt 75 MOA (but no more than 85 MOA). Even if you don't use all of the available up elevation, the erector is in a more optimum spot in the S&B tube for additional windage and corrections for rail misalignments.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Reticle</span>: Most ER targets that have been reported on SH are a few MOA in size. The P4F S&B reticle subtends 0.035 mils or about 0.13 MOA, much smaller than these targets.
The P4F has tic marks every 0.5 mil on the lower vertical stadia for at least 10 mils, while the Hensoldt has mil dots every mil for only 5 mils; below 5 mils there is a heavy stadia. So, you can add another 10 mils or 34 MOA for the S&B, but only 5 mils or 17 MOA more for the Hensoldt reticle.
<span style="font-style: italic">I presumed the scope would be used for a variety of shooting and the P4F is preferred over the standard mil dot. That's one reason the NH1 was created.</span> I'll bet that long range shooters who prefer a SFP reticle feel that way because the SFP reticle they are using has a smaller subtension than a FFP mil dot.
For those who might think I am Hensoldt bashing, not true. I own <span style="text-decoration: line-through">5</span> 6 Hensoldts!
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
I don't have direct experience with the hendsoldt mentioned here but I did own a 5-25 s&b.
I can't imagine taking a rifle like an AWSM and putting what sounds like a benchrest scope on it (SFP/ .05 mil adjustments). Does this hendsoldt have a zero stop? The lighthouse knobs on the S&B are bitchin. Also, the p4f reticle is excellent for this application.
The 5-25 S&B is perfect for your application. The Hendsoldt, in this instance, would be a huge mistake IMO.
When the Hendsoldt's can match the S&B feature for feature, I'll buy one in a heartbeat. I have been dying to try one for some time now.
I don't have direct experience with the hendsoldt mentioned here but I did own a 5-25 s&b.
I can't imagine taking a rifle like an AWSM and putting what sounds like a benchrest scope on it (SFP/ .05 mil adjustments). Does this hendsoldt have a zero stop? The lighthouse knobs on the S&B are bitchin. Also, the p4f reticle is excellent for this application.
The 5-25 S&B is perfect for your application. The Hendsoldt, in this instance, would be a huge mistake IMO.
When the Hendsoldt's can match the S&B feature for feature, I'll buy one in a heartbeat. I have been dying to try one for some time now.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
I know most of you sugested the S&B and I agree it is the scope that belongs up there but Im hard headed and wanted to have something different the problem is, its so different Im not sure they make rings for it. I tried the tallest badger I beleive thyere 1.59" and theyre just a little too short to clear the big front ojective. Any help?
I know most of you sugested the S&B and I agree it is the scope that belongs up there but Im hard headed and wanted to have something different the problem is, its so different Im not sure they make rings for it. I tried the tallest badger I beleive thyere 1.59" and theyre just a little too short to clear the big front ojective. Any help?
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know most of you sugested the S&B and I agree it is the scope that belongs up there but Im hard headed and wanted to have something different the problem is, its so different Im not sure they make rings for it. I tried the tallest badger I beleive thyere 1.59" and theyre just a little too short to clear the big front ojective. Any help? </div></div>
I rarely post here on this forum but I read and learn a lot. I just ordered a Hensoldt 4-16 x56mm from EuroOptics to mount on one of my rifles and I also purchased 1.375 inch Badger Ordnance rings. Its going to get mounted on a FAL initially. You telling me that the 1.49 inch rings don't work on a 72 mm Hensoldt scares me. There is nothing else out there other than Seekins, and a couple other manufacturers who make the 34mm rings. I will post here how that mounting works out with the 1.375 inch rings.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know most of you sugested the S&B and I agree it is the scope that belongs up there but Im hard headed and wanted to have something different the problem is, its so different Im not sure they make rings for it. I tried the tallest badger I beleive thyere 1.59" and theyre just a little too short to clear the big front ojective. Any help? </div></div>
I rarely post here on this forum but I read and learn a lot. I just ordered a Hensoldt 4-16 x56mm from EuroOptics to mount on one of my rifles and I also purchased 1.375 inch Badger Ordnance rings. Its going to get mounted on a FAL initially. You telling me that the 1.49 inch rings don't work on a 72 mm Hensoldt scares me. There is nothing else out there other than Seekins, and a couple other manufacturers who make the 34mm rings. I will post here how that mounting works out with the 1.375 inch rings.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?
1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have direct experience with the hendsoldt mentioned here but I did own a 5-25 s&b.
I can't imagine taking a rifle like an AWSM and putting what sounds like a benchrest scope on it (SFP/ .05 mil adjustments). Does this hendsoldt have a zero stop? The lighthouse knobs on the S&B are bitchin. Also, the p4f reticle is excellent for this application.
The 5-25 S&B is perfect for your application. The Hendsoldt, in this instance, would be a huge mistake IMO.
When the Hendsoldt's can match the S&B feature for feature, I'll buy one in a heartbeat. I have been dying to try one for some time now.
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The 6-24x56 is the only one that is .05 mils, the 6-24x72 which is the one he got, is a .1 mil.
I'm not seeing how its a "huge mistake"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have direct experience with the hendsoldt mentioned here but I did own a 5-25 s&b.
I can't imagine taking a rifle like an AWSM and putting what sounds like a benchrest scope on it (SFP/ .05 mil adjustments). Does this hendsoldt have a zero stop? The lighthouse knobs on the S&B are bitchin. Also, the p4f reticle is excellent for this application.
The 5-25 S&B is perfect for your application. The Hendsoldt, in this instance, would be a huge mistake IMO.
When the Hendsoldt's can match the S&B feature for feature, I'll buy one in a heartbeat. I have been dying to try one for some time now.
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The 6-24x56 is the only one that is .05 mils, the 6-24x72 which is the one he got, is a .1 mil.
I'm not seeing how its a "huge mistake"
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
I own other sniper rifles with some excellent scopes S&B, leupold mk4, and smaller zeiss and hensoldt. the one thing I can asure you is the clarity , brightness, and crispness of this scope is unparalleled. nothing ive ever looked thru is ths clear. Also love the reticle dont see how it could be faulted. the adjustable illumination is also the best out of all of my other scopes. Now all i need is to be able to mount it,
I own other sniper rifles with some excellent scopes S&B, leupold mk4, and smaller zeiss and hensoldt. the one thing I can asure you is the clarity , brightness, and crispness of this scope is unparalleled. nothing ive ever looked thru is ths clear. Also love the reticle dont see how it could be faulted. the adjustable illumination is also the best out of all of my other scopes. Now all i need is to be able to mount it,
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
I have the 72mm Hensoldt and I called Near and he hooked me up. It sits on top of a surgeon XL reciever with 30moa base. I have plenty of clearance but yet it doesn't seem to sit real high. Give him a call and I bet he can get you fixed up.
I have the 72mm Hensoldt and I called Near and he hooked me up. It sits on top of a surgeon XL reciever with 30moa base. I have plenty of clearance but yet it doesn't seem to sit real high. Give him a call and I bet he can get you fixed up.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have direct experience with the hendsoldt mentioned here but I did own a 5-25 s&b.
I can't imagine taking a rifle like an AWSM and putting what sounds like a benchrest scope on it (SFP/ .05 mil adjustments). Does this hendsoldt have a zero stop? The lighthouse knobs on the S&B are bitchin. Also, the p4f reticle is excellent for this application.
The 5-25 S&B is perfect for your application. The Hendsoldt, in this instance, would be a huge mistake IMO.
When the Hendsoldt's can match the S&B feature for feature, I'll buy one in a heartbeat. I have been dying to try one for some time now.
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The 6-24x56 is the only one that is .05 mils, the 6-24x72 which is the one he got, is a .1 mil.
I'm not seeing how its a "huge mistake" </div></div>
Because the perfect scope is available, with more features, at a cost savings.
To the OP, if you want something different, paint the whole rig with somehting fancy.
This is a no brainer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have direct experience with the hendsoldt mentioned here but I did own a 5-25 s&b.
I can't imagine taking a rifle like an AWSM and putting what sounds like a benchrest scope on it (SFP/ .05 mil adjustments). Does this hendsoldt have a zero stop? The lighthouse knobs on the S&B are bitchin. Also, the p4f reticle is excellent for this application.
The 5-25 S&B is perfect for your application. The Hendsoldt, in this instance, would be a huge mistake IMO.
When the Hendsoldt's can match the S&B feature for feature, I'll buy one in a heartbeat. I have been dying to try one for some time now.
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The 6-24x56 is the only one that is .05 mils, the 6-24x72 which is the one he got, is a .1 mil.
I'm not seeing how its a "huge mistake" </div></div>
Because the perfect scope is available, with more features, at a cost savings.
To the OP, if you want something different, paint the whole rig with somehting fancy.
This is a no brainer.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>.
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> Correct.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>.
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> Correct.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
I'd definitely go with Hensoldt! According to this guy S&B ranks #5 out of 5 in high end scopes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIo8Bq4jK2g
I'd definitely go with Hensoldt! According to this guy S&B ranks #5 out of 5 in high end scopes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIo8Bq4jK2g
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: komifornian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd definitely go with Hensoldt! According to this guy S&B ranks #5 out of 5 in high end scopes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIo8Bq4jK2g
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How can you recommend a Hensoldt when Hensoldt isn't even listed in the top 5 in the youtube video? What is your basis of logic for your recommendation?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: komifornian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd definitely go with Hensoldt! According to this guy S&B ranks #5 out of 5 in high end scopes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIo8Bq4jK2g
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How can you recommend a Hensoldt when Hensoldt isn't even listed in the top 5 in the youtube video? What is your basis of logic for your recommendation?
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: komifornian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sarcasm </div></div>
I suspected as much from a fellow "komifornian" from the Peoples Republic of California.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: komifornian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sarcasm </div></div>
I suspected as much from a fellow "komifornian" from the Peoples Republic of California.
Re: Hensoldt vs s&b
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>.
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> Correct. </div></div>
The pic rails are flat on the AW's, you'll be severly limited in elevation.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcf0721</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1.59s dont work?????? That shouldnt be the case at all, are you sure that you got the 1.59" rings? What contour is your barrel?</div></div> No I tried 1.49" I beleieve theyre the tallest badger makes </div></div>.
If you are looking at Badger rings, I am assuming you have a pic rail on the rifle?
</div></div> Correct. </div></div>
The pic rails are flat on the AW's, you'll be severly limited in elevation.
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