Herbicide for Rifle Range

[Campguy308]

I'm looking for guidance on a herbicide to use for spraying a rifle range. I want to kill everything, and Id like it to last as long as possible.

In the past I have used Glyphosate (Roundup) with various broadleaf herbicides added ocassionally. Problem is that I have to spray about 3 times a season.

Any advice?

 

[7.62willdo]

I know they used something called agent orange a while back……

 

[MK20]

If you never want anything to grow you could salt the ground.
Honestly I would be VERY hesitant to use commercial pesticides as that shit is really bad for you.
Just buy a mower and mow it every now and then. Or get a cheap dozer and skim it every spring to take the grass off.

 

[gimpy]

Are you wanting all vegetation dead, or just trying to minimize the amount of mowing? If it’s weeds you want gone, there are selective herbicides that can handle everything but the grasses. I’d recommend a 4-way mix of selective herbicides, and add prodiamine to stop germination of future vegetation. If you want to slow the growth, glyphosate at a reduced mixture (I believe 1/6th the killing rate) and that will stunt the growth significantly.

 

[Campguy308]

Problem with cutting it is its too rough. And we dont have anybody willing to shred it with a tractor.

 

[Campguy308]

Are you wanting all vegetation dead, or just trying to minimize the amount of mowing? If it’s weeds you want gone, there are selective herbicides that can handle everything but the grasses. I’d recommend a 4-way mix of selective herbicides, and add prodiamine to stop germination of future vegetation. If you want to slow the growth, glyphosate at a reduced mixture (I believe 1/6th the killing rate) and that will stunt the growth significantly.

Preferably I want it all dead. Its a mixture of broadleaf weeds and grass. I have mixed Dycor with the glyphosate, but it always comes back in about 2 months

 

[Rthur]

Pramitol.
Touch up with a roundup generic on the spots you miss.
BTW add a little dawn dish soap to your roundup, works as a surfactant.

R

 

[JMGlasgow]

Ortho Groundclear

 

[Mike Casselton]

I heard of people using JP-8 to kill weed growth along chain link fences.

Nothing ever grew along those fence lines...

 

[Maggot]

Try this stuff. If you use it as instructed it will kill only the broadleaf. Too much and it will burn the grass as well.

www.siteone.com › pdf › sdsPDF18129 - Lesco Momentum 4-Score Herbicide (894) 1-G ETL (3 ...​

LESCO ® Momentum™ 4-Score™ Herbicide is a selective post-emergence broadleaf herbicide. It has four active ingredients with two modes of action. It controls listed annual and perennial

 

[NoDopes]

This is the bomb.. so I'm told.

https://www.amazon.com/Brushtox-Brush-Killer-Triclopyr-32/dp/B01BOZ5VPI/ref=asc_df_B01BOZ5VPI/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193150648923&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12375998253449676196&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026832&hvtargid=pla-305160002539&psc=1

 

[Im2bent]

Does Salt Kill Weeds Permanently? How to Use It | Gardenine

You can use salt as an organic weed killer in gardens and driveways. Once absorbed, salt causes sodium chloride toxicity in the plants, thus killing weeds permanently. Mix salt, water, vinegar, and dish soap in a ratio of 3:1:1:1 and apply the solution on weeds daily until they die.

gardenine.com

 

[Mater2009]

Diesel

 

[Campguy308]

Pramitol.
Touch up with a roundup generic on the spots you miss.
BTW add a little dawn dish soap to your roundup, works as a surfactant.

R

Have you used Pramitol? I read mixed reviews on it.

 

[Rthur]

Have you used Pramitol? I read mixed reviews on it.

Yes.
What you are trying to achieve is two types of action.
First, " I want lasting control".
Roundup or it's similar s are a contact only product, in fact they go inert quite quickly when they hit the dirt.
Gramoxone being similar. Btw I don't recommend dicking with this one at all.
Most residual products require some sort of incorporation. Rain can help.
We used to mix up batches of multiple chemicals to keep the grass/weeds off of hot wires around cattle lots.
Try smoking the weeds/grass/problems down , with roundup, and then use pramitol,basically a ground sterilant, as a double mode of action.

R

 

[Campguy308]

Its a 600 yard range about 75 yards wide. I use a 25 gallon atv sprayer and it works well.

When i use round up, I mix 3 ounces per gallon.

 

[Campguy308]

I know the used something called agent orange a while back……

Wish I had some.

 

[Mr.BR]

Roundup is an industrial/farming/landscaping standard ,but its just a short term solution and far from harmless( Nonselective a.k.a. Broad spectrum Herbicides are nonselective towards killing you as well as the plantlife ) , you will need to redo multiple times every year , would choose mowing over spraying as long term solution every time. Anything that kills every plant you spray will ultimately kill you

 

[Lange Carabine]

Wish I had some.

Make it by mixing equal parts 2,4,D and 2,4,5,T.
Subs for 2,4,5,T are Garlon and/or Dicamba

 

[BLKWLFK9]

Used crank case oil. Just don't tell anyone.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Drastically shift the soil ph with vinegar and dishsoap, that way you aren’t spraying poison into the environment.

Might take a couple applications to kill the roots.

 

[Campguy308]

Roundup is an industrial/farming/landscaping standard ,but its just a short term solution and far from harmless( Nonselective a.k.a. Broad spectrum Herbicides are nonselective towards killing you as well as plantlife ) , you will need to redo multiple times every year , would choose mowing over spraying as long term solution every time. Anything that kills every plant you spray will ultimately kill you

I generally try not to spray myself or drink it.

I do agree that roundup is a short term solution

 

[eca7891]

Hyvar.

Be forewarned this shit kills everything. Grass, weeds, shrubs, trees. If it grows, this kills it.

diesel is cheaper though

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Hyvar.

Be forewarned this shit kills everything. Grass, weeds, shrubs, trees. If it grows, this kills it.

diesel is cheaper though

https://www.amazon.com/45-Pure-Vinegar-Concentrated-Industrial/dp/B07X3XC229/ref=pd_aw_sim_1/137-8986578-3303904?pd_rd_w=M16Th&pf_rd_p=4904fc9b-6339-479c-8911-4698dd8cd027&pf_rd_r=8V7593RGDRK7WE8SQAFQ&pd_rd_r=59d3fa98-bf42-42e0-8a86-1e2ad30d24b8&pd_rd_wg=Ex1ho&pd_rd_i=B07X3XC229&psc=1

Jesus, I hope yall are joking about spraying enough Diesel fuel to kill weeds over a 75x600 area.

 

[BAMAboy18]

Burnt motor oil cut with some diesel...

 

[gimpy]

Preferably I want it all dead. Its a mixture of broadleaf weeds and grass. I have mixed Dycor with the glyphosate, but it always comes back in about 2 months

Try adding prodiamine when you spray. It can be dosed for up to 8 months. Also check out Meso 4SC (Tenacity). It’s expensive but works as a herbicide and a pre-emergent.

 

[eca7891]

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Jesus, I hope yall are joking about spraying enough Diesel fuel to kill weeds over a 75x600 area.

That may be due to run off. This does need rain or time to work into the soil.

This would still be my choice as to what I would use.

 

[whatsupdoc]

Find someone close with a Brush hog.

 

[triumph001]

Pramitol pellets broadcast is super effective, spray can work but you have to roundup a couple weeks in advance or mow before applying so the pramitol spray can make it straight to the soil surface. Make sure you really want it all dead because it will kill everything. It is usually only effective for one season, this will vary though, depending on your rainfall. If the measurements you posted are accurate you have about 10 acres to sterilize. Problem with sterilizers is that they are expensive in large quantities, not a big deal if you are sterilizing your driveway but when you need to do 400,000+ sq ft the cost might be prohibitive.

 

[BAMAboy18]

Another effective, environmentally friendly treatment would be salt. Mix with water, let it dilute, then pour the water in your sprayer.

 

[Alabama556]

Chopper with some arsenal mixed in it. 1 quart of surfactant per acre.

the stuff is not cheap.

 

[Campguy308]

Find someone close with a Brush hog.

Cant do it cost effectively. Plus its a bitch to shred because the land is fairly rough.

Nobody will volunteer to do this shit in my club.

 

[DIBBS]

I believe that you want a sterilant, that kills everything, prevents germination, and lasts a year or three.

A driveway type product.

I haven't done any vegetation management in a few years, so don't have a recommended product.

https://extension.unr.edu/publication.aspx?PubID=3322

 

[acudaowner]

https://www.forestrydistributing.com/garlon-4-ultra-triclopyr-herbicide-corteva almost as effective as agent orange well almost used to use it when working for a tree company it would kill bamboo scary fast within 2 days it was brown and no regrowth if you can get industrial strength stuff there might be better products all without your balls shriveling up , or the cancer involved with misanto products ie agent orange / round up .

 

[Campguy308]

I believe that you want a sterilant, that kills everything, prevents germination, and lasts a year or three.

A driveway type product.

I haven't done any vegetation management in a few years, so don't have a recommended product.

https://extension.unr.edu/publication.aspx?PubID=3322

This is what I need. Kill the dirt and all.

 

[Campguy308]

https://www.forestrydistributing.com/garlon-4-ultra-triclopyr-herbicide-corteva almost as effective as agent orange well almost used to use it when working for a tree company it would kill bamboo scary fast within 2 days it was brown and no regrowth if you can get industrial strength stuff there might be better products all without your balls shriveling up , or the cancer involved with misanto products ie agent orange / round up .

Apparently if you mix that with 24D you have Agent Orange.

 

[Campguy308]

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Jesus, I hope yall are joking about spraying enough Diesel fuel to kill weeds over a 75x600 area.

Well, we are talking about an area that serves no other purpose but to collect lead.

 

[Northfl]

Killing everything is gonna make a mess of everything in times of draught or hell just no rain for a couple if days.
if the wind gets up a little bit blowing at the firing line. Its gonna suck for sure

 

[Simonsza1]

Is the ground just dirt/soil? Or rock? If it’s soil and to rough to mow definitely can’t be that hard to find someone to pay with a tractor to come disc it up real good and then drag it off smooth. Stay off it till your grass does come back and takes root. Then it will be super smooth and easy to mow. Plus it will keep the dust and mud down this way. Just my two cents but don’t know what your soil is like. I don’t think it would take much to get it smooth. Unless your living in some town I’ve never witnessed in this country there’s definitely someone with a tractor and implements willing to make some money for doing that type of work. Make the guys in your club pitch in. Dozer could probably do it also.

 

[Snipe260]

I'm looking for guidance on a herbicide to use for spraying a rifle range. I want to kill everything, and Id like it to last as long as possible.

In the past I have used Glyphosate (Roundup) with various broadleaf herbicides added ocassionally. Problem is that I have to spray about 3 times a season.

Any advice?

Agent Orange! Also a gallon of kamelatoes piss would insure nothing ever came back!

 

[Steel+Killer]

This........ https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...ed-killer-41-glyphosate-concentrate-2-1-2-gal

Plus one of these........ https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/category_lawn-garden+sprayers+trailer-sprayers

Pulled by.........ATV or lawn tractor is what I use for our 500yd range.

If I make really really strong I usualy only need to do it twice a year.

 

[BLEE]

Roundup is an industrial/farming/landscaping standard ,but its just a short term solution and far from harmless( Nonselective a.k.a. Broad spectrum Herbicides are nonselective towards killing you as well as plantlife ) , you will need to redo multiple times every year , would choose mowing over spraying as long term solution every time. Anything that kills every plant you spray will ultimately kill you

Three months, ago, my Dad was exposed to RoundUp, for several hours. He suffered third degree burns on his right hand and thigh. I mean, exposed tendons and muscle damage, third degree burns. We think he may have suffered some permanent neurological damage from the exposure, but have no definitive proof. Y'all be very careful using RoundUp.

 

[BLEE]

Yes, from RoundUp exposure!

 

[4ester]

Groundclear of some type….. use it 3 years in a row around late summer/fall and you will not need to do again for a long time.

Roundup isn’t a great choice here.

 

[Lange Carabine]

Yes, from RoundUp exposure!


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I've had to shed my clothes and hose off at the nurse tank a couple times when Telone splashed on me but never have I seen chemical burns that severe from roundup.
Hope your dad makes a quick recovery.

 

[BLEE]

I've had to shed my clothes and hose off at the nurse tank a couple times when Telone splashed on me but never have I seen chemical burns that severe from roundup.
Hope your dad makes a quick recovery.

Thank you. He's out of bandages, since this past Friday, but his thinking is not "clear" for lack of a better word. Short-term memory is terrible and he doesn't follow, logically, since the exposure. It put him in physical rehab for a month and my sister and I, alternated staying with him at home, for a month. He's been examined head-to-toe, CT scans, MRIs and comprehensive labs performed. The only thing we can attribute the changes to, is the exposure. I rode with him, last week, as he drove for the first time in 2 1/2 months. He's doing well and has amazed his docs. He still has a way to go, cognitively.

 

[BiggBeans]

Call a company that specializes in weed control. I have a company spray one of my properties and they gaurantee their work for a year. If you have any weeds growing they will come back out and spray for free.

 

[jrhtx]

Why not have someone disc it then drag it? It will smooth it out so you can mow.
If you kill everything you will have a mud hole after heavy rain. My club’s 100 yd range it like than now. They removed all the grass to “fix” the drainage problem now you can’t walk to the 100 yd target racks.
I am sure you know, but be careful with the herbicides, they can kill plants and animals from wind drift and if they aren’t yours, well...

 

[Wade7472]

Kill it with round up or glufosinate in the fall. Once the ground is clear use a pre-emergent mix like Alion/matrix. It’s not cheap but will keep most weeds down for a year. Do the same on an annual basis. That’s how we manage weeds in orchards and it’s very effective.

 

[BCP]

Roundup from a tractor is what I used to use when I had my own 100 yard range. However in California we had a horrible problem with star thistle and that shit always came back after a few weeks.