Fieldcraft high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
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Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
considering that this whole "concept" is/does go totally against the grain and intent of this site, let alone marksmanship as whole, uuuuuhhhhhh NO.
Somebody's been watching too many burger commercials.... "nothing but net".
considering that this whole "concept" is/does go totally against the grain and intent of this site, let alone marksmanship as whole, uuuuuhhhhhh NO.
Somebody's been watching too many burger commercials.... "nothing but net".
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
Yes, we used the concept at our annual match last month.
Yes, we used the concept at our annual match last month.
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does snipers ever use an high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage, or has it been tried? Like having a hill or any other object between the sniper and the target (like a howitzer)? </div></div>
I once shot a bird through the neck off the hip with a 22 short at over 100m the angle of entry was almost 45 degrees. Kinda felt bad about it afterwards as I didn't intend on killing it I could just "feel" what needed to be done to make the shot so I did.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does snipers ever use an high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage, or has it been tried? Like having a hill or any other object between the sniper and the target (like a howitzer)? </div></div>
I once shot a bird through the neck off the hip with a 22 short at over 100m the angle of entry was almost 45 degrees. Kinda felt bad about it afterwards as I didn't intend on killing it I could just "feel" what needed to be done to make the shot so I did.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, we used the concept at our annual match last month.</div></div>
Freakin' awesome stage I might add... loved the problem solving aspect of it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, we used the concept at our annual match last month.</div></div>
Freakin' awesome stage I might add... loved the problem solving aspect of it.
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
stealthy you must have had your spidey sense's going beserk when your heightened sense of intuition told you how to pull off that shot.at least you felt bad after, otherwise you might just have slipped over to the dark side of the force
stealthy you must have had your spidey sense's going beserk when your heightened sense of intuition told you how to pull off that shot.at least you felt bad after, otherwise you might just have slipped over to the dark side of the force
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does snipers ever use an high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage, or has it been tried? Like having a hill or any other object between the sniper and the target (like a howitzer)? </div></div>
Absolutely!
Bullet clears concealment between shooter and target quite often at ranges greater than 400yds. We use this in our matches from time to time as well
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does snipers ever use an high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage, or has it been tried? Like having a hill or any other object between the sniper and the target (like a howitzer)? </div></div>
Absolutely!
Bullet clears concealment between shooter and target quite often at ranges greater than 400yds. We use this in our matches from time to time as well
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
This is a factor that enhances the .22LR's utility at shorter-than-centerfire distances. By just clearing over a berm/ridge and grazing the reverse slope, it can provide some utiliyy as an observer/area-denial tool. It could be effective even as close in as 100yd given favorable terrain.
This is a factor that enhances the .22LR's utility at shorter-than-centerfire distances. By just clearing over a berm/ridge and grazing the reverse slope, it can provide some utiliyy as an observer/area-denial tool. It could be effective even as close in as 100yd given favorable terrain.
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
i had a tree top that i could see threw @ 350 yds on my range. now ive cut the tree down but i started shooting at that range knowing the bullet would be high enough to clear the tree.
the bigger advantage was when i just cut the tree down
i had a tree top that i could see threw @ 350 yds on my range. now ive cut the tree down but i started shooting at that range knowing the bullet would be high enough to clear the tree.
the bigger advantage was when i just cut the tree down
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Why couldnt bullet drop be used to tactical advantage?
It is EXTREMELY predictable
Trajectory shows the bullet doesnt follow line of sight but arcs above it.
Knowing how to manipulate the trajectory to your advantage is a great asset to a knowledgable shooter.
One example- target only shows its head above a ridge but is several 100 yards behind it. You mil the head as 437 yards away. Your bullet drop is around 2 feet with a 308 doing 2700fps. You can aim where you think center of mass is and hit there because the arc clears the ridge.
Next example- past a berm 500 yards away you see a radio antenna. you cant see anyone but you know there is someone under that antenna as it moves around some. You can dial 600 yards on, clear the berm and hit the person carrying the radio.
NOW- can you do the reverse, manipulate the trajectory to hit a target deep inside a protected bunker/concrete apt/ basement half window?
Why couldnt bullet drop be used to tactical advantage?
It is EXTREMELY predictable
Trajectory shows the bullet doesnt follow line of sight but arcs above it.
Knowing how to manipulate the trajectory to your advantage is a great asset to a knowledgable shooter.
One example- target only shows its head above a ridge but is several 100 yards behind it. You mil the head as 437 yards away. Your bullet drop is around 2 feet with a 308 doing 2700fps. You can aim where you think center of mass is and hit there because the arc clears the ridge.
Next example- past a berm 500 yards away you see a radio antenna. you cant see anyone but you know there is someone under that antenna as it moves around some. You can dial 600 yards on, clear the berm and hit the person carrying the radio.
NOW- can you do the reverse, manipulate the trajectory to hit a target deep inside a protected bunker/concrete apt/ basement half window?
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
Indirect fire esoterica is neat to know but not often used. Ladder sights (like on the Mauser 98K, Springfield, and BAR) went out of favor in the US once the Army adopted the M1.
Interesting, sure. Fun, definitely (search for the article by Colorado long-range shooters who kill prairie dogs at 2,500 yards with a .308). Usable, maybe. Worth spending lots of time on, no.
High lofting trajectories expose the projo to winds longer.
Cardinal rule for mortars and high-angle fire is to use the lowest possible angle and charge to minimize group dispersion.
Indirect fire esoterica is neat to know but not often used. Ladder sights (like on the Mauser 98K, Springfield, and BAR) went out of favor in the US once the Army adopted the M1.
Interesting, sure. Fun, definitely (search for the article by Colorado long-range shooters who kill prairie dogs at 2,500 yards with a .308). Usable, maybe. Worth spending lots of time on, no.
High lofting trajectories expose the projo to winds longer.
Cardinal rule for mortars and high-angle fire is to use the lowest possible angle and charge to minimize group dispersion.
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
The original version of FM 23-5, US Rifle .30 Caliber, M-1 from 1940 was over a half-inch thick in the pocket version, and covered several different indirect fire marksmanship techniques.
The original version of FM 23-5, US Rifle .30 Caliber, M-1 from 1940 was over a half-inch thick in the pocket version, and covered several different indirect fire marksmanship techniques.
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Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
Many have bought it, thinking they were in Defilade, which they were from short range direct line of sight fire. Sometimes being far has it's advantage.
At HardRock "Herman" thought he was safe at 998 yds, while hiding behind the 800yd targets because we could not directly see him, he was proved wrong on the first shot. Should he have picked a better spot closer to the obstruction he might have lived.
Just because you can't see your enemy, does not mean your enemy can't see/touch you.
Easier to think a task threw, than mussel forward an bleed if you don't have to.
Many have bought it, thinking they were in Defilade, which they were from short range direct line of sight fire. Sometimes being far has it's advantage.
At HardRock "Herman" thought he was safe at 998 yds, while hiding behind the 800yd targets because we could not directly see him, he was proved wrong on the first shot. Should he have picked a better spot closer to the obstruction he might have lived.
Just because you can't see your enemy, does not mean your enemy can't see/touch you.
Easier to think a task threw, than mussel forward an bleed if you don't have to.
Re: high arc / bullet drop as an tactical advantage?
FWIW:
In a "Rifleman Went to War" McBride mentions how the 303 Brit was a better long range cartridge fro MG work than the 8x57. It seems he could aim OVER the heads of his troops and "drop" the rounds on the opposing troops.
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FWIW:
In a "Rifleman Went to War" McBride mentions how the 303 Brit was a better long range cartridge fro MG work than the 8x57. It seems he could aim OVER the heads of his troops and "drop" the rounds on the opposing troops.
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