Hog Wild! Need Help

xanderzuk

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Hey guys and gals, I've been lurking for a little while, and now I need your help.

I've really been lusting after a center fire bolt action rifle for a while now, but last week I had a new experience, and some new requirements have been thrown into the mix. What was my experience you ask? Well, I went hog hunting on my Godfather's 200 acre ranch in East Texas. I'm totally and completely hooked! It was such a rush, and now it's difficult to think about anything else.

So here's the issue: I was hunting with a Benelli SBE with 3 1/2" buckshot (can you say recoil), and while this works well in many cases, there were several opportunities that I chose to pass up because I felt that the hogs were out of range for a clean kill. They were however EASILY within iron sight rifle range, which is what I want to switch to.

Here are my thoughts on rifles: As mentioned earlier, I really want a bolt action (probably .308). I'd like to do some longish range target shooting (maybe 600-800 yards), but I would also like to take this gun hunting. I would prefer a varmint barrel but want to keep the stock relatively light for carrying it around. The second issue is that I'm a recent college grad, so I'm on a budget. I'd love to have a custom build, but I can't afford the price tag; I'm trying to keep the cost under $1000 (without optics).

My initial attraction is to Savage's Model 10 line, especially because of how easy they are to work on, and their inherent accuracy. I really like the Precision Carbine, but I'm unsure about the quality of the stock. However, one issue I've noticed with Savage (especially current models) is that their upgrade path is limited compared to say.. Remington, so it leaves me feeling uncertain.

The next bolt action I've looked at is the Tikka T3, I really don't know that much about them, but people seem to say their quality is very nice; I really need to go handle one.

CZ 550 Varmint. I have several CZ pistols an love them. I've heard that their rifles are very accurate, but that the bolt lift is very high, requiring you to mount the scope high as well (annoying), but tell me more.

I would say Remington 700, but after handling a couple, I'm really not impressed by their fit, finish, or perceived level of quality.

My main concern about a bolt action in these formats (relatively tactical) is that we hog hunt at night, and therefore I would need iron sights. Unfortunately I'm looking for something kind of unique; an optic ready heavy barreled rifle with back up iron sights. I REALLY love the BUIS on the Specter-Babr from Underground Skunkworks http://www.undergroundsw.com/page3.php . In fact in my mind this would be the perfect gun, but I simply can't afford it. Is any kind of aftermarket BUIS system available for bolt actions?

OTHER RIFLES:

Ok, I've also been looking at the Marlin .308 MX. Seems like a good overall round, in a fairly compact rifle, and has the iron sights. Upgrade path: limited, but will do a hunting job well. Not really sure that I would want this one for range duty.

I have an AR lower that's waiting for its build. I was maybe thinking about doing a 6.8spc upper. This would give me enough firepower for the hogs.

The problem with both the .308MX and 6.8SPC is that who knows if these rounds might disappear at some point? We know that .308 winchester is here to stay.


Alright, I know this is a heck of a first post, but what do you guys think? What other recommendations do you have, I'm all ears! Please help!
 
Re: Hog Wild! Need Help

This is a friend's idea of a hog gun. It is optic only, but I still think it's a good idea. It's a Savage action with a 20" barrel (McGowan I think) in 338 Federal. It's in a B&C stock with a Burris 3-9x40 and has a 951 Surefire mounted. He finished it in DuraCoat black & AUG green. He just finished it recently and hasn't had it in the woods yet, but it's shooting a little under 1" at 100yds. I've shot it and it's a pretty fast handling little rifle. The 338 Federal should have plenty punch for a hog without rattling your teeth. Just an idea for you.
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Unless you have tritium sights on your rifle, open sights are just as hard to pick up at night as a scope reticle.
A 6.8 upper is a good idea, topped with an aimpoint ot trijicon scope.
A savage 10 PC toppped with a decent quality scope with an illuminated reticle will get the job done.
One of my hog guns is a 1908 Mauser in 7x57 with a Mueller Multi-shot 2-7x scope.
 
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So the guys over at AR15.com are of course saying to go with the 6.8 build. I will say that it makes some sense being that it would provide quick follow up shots.

That Savage with the light attachment is pretty slick.

At night will an Aimpoint still be clear to look through over iron sights?
 
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Not exactly sure what your hangup is with the sights, but yes, if you get an aimpoint on your AR you can co-witness the sights. You can either have an absolute co-witness or a lower 1/3 co-witness.
Do not turn the dot up all the way, just enough to see it.

This will work very well.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=986290

It comes with rings, but you will need a riser to co-witness them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not exactly sure what your hangup is with the sights, but yes, if you get an aimpoint on your AR you can co-witness the sights. </div></div>

Sorry fdkay for being unclear. What I was trying to ask is how well an Aimpoint red dot would work at night? Are the optics such that a target is still viewable in a low light situation?
 
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Yes, aimpoint uses excellent glass.

You don't really "see" optic.
It is meant to be used with both eyes open and the dot will appear to float in front of your eyes, center on target and squeeze.
 
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The Savage Precision Carbine has the Accu Stock. You will be more than happy with that set-up the Accu Stock is the best factory stock out right now.
 
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AK-47 shoots the 7.62x39 round, which is much too light. If you want to shoot any distance, buy a bolt gun. I would say .308 should stop just about any pig, including Texas sized.

The Remington SPS is not a high finished rifle, but will get the job done. There are other models that you might like better. Browning X-Bolt is a great rifle, they have a great trigger, carry comfortably, and are very accurate.

-Steve
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: yep yep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What would you guys think about an AK-47 for this? </div></div>

I've seen posts from lots of guys that use AK's here in FL for hogs- I see no reason why at shorter ranges the round would be inadequate except perhaps a poorly placed shot on a big 'un. Then you've also got the inherent inaccuracy of the AK platform. Short range only...AR's in .223 are also widely used- but again, on smaller animals and shot placement is critical.

For both an AK and AR, I think it's more a matter of the gun already being owned, so why not shoot with it...As far as buying a gun specifically for your intended purpose, an AK (fun as they are to shoot and I own one) would be at the bottom of the list.
 
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This would make you need to jump into hand loading, and thus a little more work, but a 6X45 upper may be the ticket for you. Both 223 brass and 6mm bullets will be around just as long as the 308 will be. Gives a little more punch then the 223, but is still relatively inexpensive to shoot.
 
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yep yep,

Your "specs" are drifting around. Unless you are dead-set on a bolt gun, have you considered a .308 AR platform? I have seen these in the "for sale" section here for ~ $1000 (and up for custom). Then you ask about an AK . . . ?

Earlier you stated:
o ablity to have iron sights
o ability to use optics
o ability to shoot 600-800 yds
o fast follow-up shots

Something to think about.

Kevin
 
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It's fair to say I'm all over the place. I guess I want too much in one world, when really, all of those things should be divided into a several different rifles. Forgive me
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Let's then just go with the task at hand. Hog hunting (mostly at night). What do you recommend? Sorry for the ambiguity..
 
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yepyep,

My solicitated biased opinion:

Pick up a 308 savage rem or mauser (used or bottom end), all are ar's of the bolt gun world- they are like leggos, lots of stocks ect to add on or change. Get a good egw base.

You should have about 400 left over for optics or have a gunsmith install front sight and rear sight with money left over for reloading equip.

Then like all things, the more you use or do, you will develop a better idea of what your perfect rifle is - based on your need use and capabilities( like big cal, shoot longer range,lighter weight). If your original choice is not it ,you have a strong action to convert or a rifle with pretty good resale value on the sporting market.

By the way bottom of the line remmies are not smooth like they used to be: but, they are still a solid action that can be tuned and built into lots of kewl things..... thank you for your time