Range Report Holdovers MIL/MOA

[jhedg]

Just got a Nightforce with mildot, but moa knobs. I really love the center dots in the circle. Here is my question: If I am to dial say 3.8 mils to my target, and just want to use holdover because I love the dot

Can I just take
3.438 X .8 = 2.75" dial up the 2.75" and use the the 3rd mil dot. You guys are super duper mil smart here. I know the best way to go is Mil/Mil, or MOA/MOA but that is not an option now. Thanks all!!!

 

[Lindy]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

Why not just hold 3.8 mils?

If you're going to dial anything, it's simpler just to dial the whole amount, which would be 13 MOA.

This might answer other questions you have about that:

Calculating Holdovers and Holdunders

 

[jhedg]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

How exact would that be say shooting at a groundhog at 650yds with a kill zone of only a few inches, seems to me the diffrence using the holdover, without dialing the exact elevation would get me more misses, then hits on a groundhog

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

jhedg,

You answered your own question, you dial the exact elevation, and to approach the problem, you really only have two choices:

You can use a full reticle hold, 3.8 MILS, or dial the whole amount, 13 MOA. You don't hold some elevation and dial some elevation.

As to what method gets you more hits, consider this:

Is the ground hog really @ 650 yds, and not 630 or 670 yds, or some other number? Does your load really drop, exactly 13 MOA, today, in this exact weather condition and altitude.

Is the wind really 5 mph or is it, 3 or 7 mph or some other number at your target. How about wind direction? Because the wind will kill your shot, before elevation will, as a ground hog is taller standing, than he is wide.

In summary, the least of your problems is whether you can find and hold exactly 3.8 MILS with your reticle.....

 

[Lindy]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

Perhaps you're right.

However, with practice most shooters can hold using the reticle to <span style="font-style: italic">at least</span> a tenth of a mil, which is the same value as a single 0.1 mil click.

In addition, how accurate are the clicks on your scope? Are you sure that they're in MOA? What if they are in Inches Per Hundred Yards, which, if you have a Leupold with M1 knobs, they are?

How sure are you of the distance you're trying to shoot? How sure are you of your dope for that distance? See Sources of Ballistic Program Inaccuracies, which deals not just with ballistic programs, but uncertainties which affect the dope for any shot.

However, my point was that if you're going to dial <span style="font-style: italic">anything</span>, you might as well dial it all.

I don't, on targets which are within 600 yards. I hold everything in that range using the reticle from a 100 yard zero.

 

[jhedg]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

Thanks for the input, it is appriciated!! The reason I asked the question was if I would be able to use the center dot in the middle of the NF Mildot reticle to be able to place shots on target, Just because I like using the dots, not the whole dot, but the dot in the center(wow thats a lot of dots) I understand all of the factors that come in to play, when shooting fairly long ranges. ie: wind Near/Far, Wind value, Baro, Alt, Range to target, uphill, downhill, Click values, Spindrift yes maybe no. No I do not rely on Ballistic programs, all of my dope is real world. I have never used a mildot scope before, everything I have used is MOA. Also by dialing part of the elevation, I would not have to worry about turning back to zero as much. are the numbers in the first post correct? would it work? The range is just a range could be 650, could be 1250yds, Thanks for all the info. Remember it about using the DOT!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jhedg,

You answered your own question, you dial the exact elevation, and to approach the problem, you really only have two choices:

You can use a full reticle hold, 3.8 MILS, or dial the whole amount, 13 MOA. You don't hold some elevation and dial some elevation.

As to what method gets you more hits, consider this:

Is the ground hog really @ 650 yds, and not 630 or 670 yds, or some other number? Does your load really drop, exactly 13 MOA, today, in this exact weather condition and altitude.

Is the wind really 5 mph or is it, 3 or 7 mph or some other number at your target. How about wind direction? Because the wind will kill your shot, before elevation will, as a ground hog is taller standing, than he is wide.

In summary, the least of your problems is whether you can find and hold exactly 3.8 MILS with your reticle.....
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[ChadTRG42]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

Dial for your elevation, and hold for your wind. For your scope, know your come-ups in MOA to dial, and your mil hold-overs for wind. For small targets, (or really any targets- time permitting) dial your elevation. Then hold for wind.

 

[GrimmRoper]

Re: Holdovers MIL/MOA

+1 for dialing elevation and hold for windage.