Yeah for a carbine this looks pretty sweet.
I'm forever on the hunt for a fix for the kiji 3.
The FP A2 and PEQ15 petri dish just doesn't spot trace or targets well and the kiji 3 blooms too much.
Night Vision Holosun IRIS 1/2/3/4 Official Discussion
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I'm forever on the hunt for a fix for the kiji 3.
The FP A2 and PEQ15 petri dish just doesn't spot trace or targets well and the kiji 3 blooms too much.
If they had any integrity, they would have done a full audit with an external firm specialized in data breach and they would have contacted all of their customers affected by the breach. How many of their customers got they credit card scammed and are unaware.
Shame.
Shame.
We did and then some with the extensive audit/s. We gonna keep talking about this of a current non issue? Funny threads get hijacked like this...
Bullshit. None of the other companies have this history. There is literally NO reason to give.you guys a penny when there are other nv supply businesss without the long, repeated history of id theft, up to a few months ago. Ill take a business that processes 1000 orders a month with ZERO identity theft over one that does 5000 a month with "only" 3 incidences. That "small" chance (if we believe you, i dont) is good.odds, until its your card thats gone.
This really has nothing to do with the Holosun IRIS
Stop derailing the thread. Some of us want to just talk about the Iris and don't give a shit about TNVC or any of their potential issues, past or present, real or imagined. It's totally off topic.
Every time a Chinese manufacturer introduces anything, the china-phobic feel obligated to chime in.
There are good reasons for it. But before the holosun red dots, you had to pay 3 quarters of a grand for rifle rds from aimpoint or half a grand for a pistol rds from trijicon. They also didn't really develope anything new in that decade. I wouldn't either, why innovate (costing money) when I can sit there and make money, since consumers had no other choice. Now look at the previous five years. We've seen a PLETHORA of RDS' in different shapes and sizes.
The same has happened to various parts of the NV market. Majority due to innovate US based brands, but making it possible to enter the market at 3k for a set of binos, definetly opened the niche of NV to a much larger population of the firearms consumer sector.
You don't like Chinese made goods because of xyz reasons, good for you. And yes there are definetly actual concerns present. But virtue signaling by using your reasons is never a good look.
As a consumer, you can't say the increased competition by these Chinese made goods has not force innovation which has only lead to a benefit to the US consumer.
Some facts of this product, it's not a copy of anything. It's under a grand. It actually seems useful. It got thru the entire conformance testing process in around a year.
I find it funny how US made mfals cant claim the above facts. They have all either been vaporware or was promised at x price, but wait they decided to rape you at 3x instead, oh and they still haven't come out with a civ version. Yet somehow holosun has. Say what you will, holosun walked the walk, while other just talked the talk.
There are good reasons for it. But before the holosun red dots, you had to pay 3 quarters of a grand for rifle rds from aimpoint or half a grand for a pistol rds from trijicon. They also didn't really develope anything new in that decade. I wouldn't either, why innovate (costing money) when I can sit there and make money, since consumers had no other choice. Now look at the previous five years. We've seen a PLETHORA of RDS' in different shapes and sizes.
The same has happened to various parts of the NV market. Majority due to innovate US based brands, but making it possible to enter the market at 3k for a set of binos, definetly opened the niche of NV to a much larger population of the firearms consumer sector.
You don't like Chinese made goods because of xyz reasons, good for you. And yes there are definetly actual concerns present. But virtue signaling by using your reasons is never a good look.
As a consumer, you can't say the increased competition by these Chinese made goods has not force innovation which has only lead to a benefit to the US consumer.
Some facts of this product, it's not a copy of anything. It's under a grand. It actually seems useful. It got thru the entire conformance testing process in around a year.
I find it funny how US made mfals cant claim the above facts. They have all either been vaporware or was promised at x price, but wait they decided to rape you at 3x instead, oh and they still haven't come out with a civ version. Yet somehow holosun has. Say what you will, holosun walked the walk, while other just talked the talk.
To add to all the convo above and to direct it back to some of the specifics of the IRIS itself, not only did Holosun bring an insanely high level of value / performance to the market, but they also truly innovated and got away from the “PEQ15 switchology” that so many LAMs were stuck in.
No more overly complicated acronyms for what setting your on, No more autogating your tubes trying to awkwardly widen/narrow your Illuminator. it’s all very clean and simple.
Which US based LAM manufacturer’s design did they rip off here? Oh wait no one. It’s entirely distinct from the MAWL too
No more overly complicated acronyms for what setting your on, No more autogating your tubes trying to awkwardly widen/narrow your Illuminator. it’s all very clean and simple.
Which US based LAM manufacturer’s design did they rip off here? Oh wait no one. It’s entirely distinct from the MAWL too
Loved seeing the new LAM that TNVC announced today. Looks amazing. Still 3x what this costs. I'm all for buying American, but come on. 3600 bucks for a LAM?
Combat Ready. Milspec+. Brovet Approved.
What a fucking joke...
VCSEL diodes have been around since the late 80's early 90's? It's not complicated technology...
Looks interesting, but its $3,600? I thought we were just talking about something from the US for under $1600..
Steiner just showed their new ATLAS LAM and it's rumored to be $3,000...and people wonder why Holosun gets so many sales. For my 2 rifles I outfitted them for under $2k with 2 Iris's. I can't afford $6,000-$7,000 for 2...that's bonkers world.
But again, this isn't aimed at us but the military/LEO. Funny thing is a lot of LEOs just run holosun, especially if the department requires them to purchase their own stuff.
Wow that's a lot of buttons and dials to spin! Also, Envision is separate from TNVC I believe; TNVC is selling them though. Crazy light at under 6oz and should be nice and low to the rail at least!
I’m fairly ignorant when it comes to LAMs, etc. but I don’t understate why a company who has the civilian market as an option, is not putting the IR laser directly over the bore, as low as possible. Maybe the offset is insignificant if your not using a diverging zero, but it’s seems like this would have been the next logical step once the front sight post basically went away.
Packaging the internals may be driving design, I have no idea, but M-loc rail design has been fairly “uniform “ for years at this point, with pic rails a standard at 12. They couldn’t wrap the battery and activation button on one side, the aiming laser at 12, low as possible and the illuminator on the other side?
Or, is that what I’m seeing here?
Packaging the internals may be driving design, I have no idea, but M-loc rail design has been fairly “uniform “ for years at this point, with pic rails a standard at 12. They couldn’t wrap the battery and activation button on one side, the aiming laser at 12, low as possible and the illuminator on the other side?
Or, is that what I’m seeing here?
Less anyone get too jazzed too early on the 4-
Received this morning from Holosun-
Received this morning from Holosun-
Also, put about another 600 rounds through the rifle we have the IRIS GR3 on for testing. Also have left the battery in place switch on since before leaving for Shot on the 18th. Have to work at the range this weekend preparing for a class, so I'll put another couple hundred through it and check zero again to see if we are seeing any deviation.
Sounds like parasitic drain concerns are being put to rest each passing day with further evaluation
Well, we will see. Still want to leave it a bit longer. All it costs me is a battery to figure this out.
Trump announced 10% tariffs on China starting Saturday. Anyone think this will impact pricing on products like the IRIS?
Any update on testing and or reviewing the Iris? Normally, I’m aggressively Pro-American, but trying to find a U.S laser at holosuns price point is impossible.
The U.S market just seems unwilling to serve the civilian market.
The U.S market just seems unwilling to serve the civilian market.
Its the go to right now for the civilian market. Good power, excellent ergonomics, smallest form factor and most reputable Chinese builder. My sample size of 4 in my group have all been reliable and repeatable so far.
Awesome, any ideas on when the iris-4 will come out? I like the idea of a built in white light.
I think I heard it probably won't be till later in the year, maybe even Q4.
Just got the Iris GR3 in before Shot shot but put about 500 rounds through it before Shot. Then purposely left a battery in the unit and switched on to check for any concerns of "parasitic drain". Same battery still in there. Used it for a class this weekend. Power/usage still the same. Shot a couple hundred more rounds night before the 2 day class and then during class.
Zero is holding fine on a BCM stock rail.
No signs of power loss leaving battery in and switched on. FWIW, I do NOT advise YOU doing this. Did this simply to calm some of the "concerns" about this or that -proven now to not be "concerns".
Other points-
If you like me, hate the "visible override" feature, you can change the remote switch and using a different switch seems to nullify that feature. I used a remote switch from a Raid weapon light, bonus being a smaller footprint.
IRIS4 a long way off, they said towards end of year.
IRISGR3 orders- just followed up on next order we have in play as to when it would ship- told at least 2 weeks. So they are past their estimated ship time. It would seem demand is very, very high on this model.
Zero is holding fine on a BCM stock rail.
No signs of power loss leaving battery in and switched on. FWIW, I do NOT advise YOU doing this. Did this simply to calm some of the "concerns" about this or that -proven now to not be "concerns".
Other points-
If you like me, hate the "visible override" feature, you can change the remote switch and using a different switch seems to nullify that feature. I used a remote switch from a Raid weapon light, bonus being a smaller footprint.
IRIS4 a long way off, they said towards end of year.
IRISGR3 orders- just followed up on next order we have in play as to when it would ship- told at least 2 weeks. So they are past their estimated ship time. It would seem demand is very, very high on this model.
Most likely going to pick one of these up.
Hopefully the white light on the 4 will be good enough to nix having an addon light. Less weight, less bulk.
Hopefully the white light on the 4 will be good enough to nix having an addon light. Less weight, less bulk.
I agree with you JDB with regard to "there's no reason" but it seems to me that, similar to other products, isn't the pricing driven by what the "market" is willing to accept? If a manufacturer can sell the same $500 LAM for $4000 rather than $1500 then why not? Isn't this essentially what has happened? Since the drive for these units came from military that already had the high price contracts, if civvy's wanted one then they were going to "pay" for it, quite literally. But similar to what Vortex did last year with the Impact 4000 in bringing an "affordable" WMLRF to the civilian world at a more palatable price point than the defense contractors, isn't this what Holosun is doing here with the IRIS? I'm not sure how sustainable it will be to continue with a pricing model of: fewer units and higher price vs. more units at a lower price.
One other point of clarification, the IRIS-3 is closest to the NGAL with regard to overall functionality right? and the IRIS-4 is the IRIS-3 but with a visible light at 1000 lumens and 25,000 candela, is that correct?
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I'm also surprised by the interest in an integrated white light. I have zero interest in a light integrated into my MFAL. If, for whatever reason, the MFAL breaks, you're more than likely going to lose the white light capability.
White lights at this point are incredibly robust and really take a concerted effort to break.
I also want separate switchology that isn't locked into the use of a pressure pad. I THINK Holosun has done well in integrating a second button for the white light on the Iris 4 but I still want more separation on the unit. That's a personal preference and training thing. Also, unless there's a white light lockout, there's no way to safeguard against white light AD's. This is always something that becomes an issue with white light use and buttons that aren't shielded. My SOP is to take off my 100 concepts light caps after removing the rifle from it's safe. I had one instance where I forgot to remove the cap. Thankfully, there was ambient light in this instance so I was able to PID the suspect. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my white light wasn't working. I left the damn cap on...
Since then i've been Leary of these caps and much prefer shielded push button tail caps.
I can see the Iris 4 being useful on smaller, PDW style guns where you have almost no real estate but for everything else, I want a separate white light.
White lights at this point are incredibly robust and really take a concerted effort to break.
I also want separate switchology that isn't locked into the use of a pressure pad. I THINK Holosun has done well in integrating a second button for the white light on the Iris 4 but I still want more separation on the unit. That's a personal preference and training thing. Also, unless there's a white light lockout, there's no way to safeguard against white light AD's. This is always something that becomes an issue with white light use and buttons that aren't shielded. My SOP is to take off my 100 concepts light caps after removing the rifle from it's safe. I had one instance where I forgot to remove the cap. Thankfully, there was ambient light in this instance so I was able to PID the suspect. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my white light wasn't working. I left the damn cap on...
Since then i've been Leary of these caps and much prefer shielded push button tail caps.
I can see the Iris 4 being useful on smaller, PDW style guns where you have almost no real estate but for everything else, I want a separate white light.
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