HOME DEFENSE: Handgun versus Small Frame AR
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Benelli M4, AR, unless in 9mm, has way too much penetration. Shotgun somewhat more controlled. Otherwise 9mm of choice.
Eight shot 357 Magnum by Ruger or Smith and Wesson because my sock drawer isn’t big enough for an AR.
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python and sw 340 for bad breath range , AK,s if they bring friends ,300 win mag if they try to hide behind......anything
I don't know what I prefer. Thankfully I've not had to defend my home.
I've got shorty ar's with 30's and 60's. I've got pump and semi 12's
I've got g19's with 20 round magpuls.
I don't know. What ever is closest to me. If I can choose I'm grabbing
I've got shorty ar's with 30's and 60's. I've got pump and semi 12's
I've got g19's with 20 round magpuls.
I don't know. What ever is closest to me. If I can choose I'm grabbing
If I don’t have a choice, I really hope the home invaders have a phobia of old naked white dudes…
If you have multiple occupants in your home, I'd suggest watching some actual wall penetration tests. Slow, heavy rounds tend to go through multiple walls.
They won't be ready for the helicopter running at them haha
“Shock and awe,” baby.
...TBH, the size and physical layout of your home interior will be a very big consideration of what you use....but ultimately it comes down to what one can lay their hands on at the moment...
I have a vision of myself when the shit is hitting the fan of me dying in front of my gun safe trying to decide which gun to use. If I am in bed I will most likely grab a Glock 21.
Brilliant.
Can use as big a pistol as you want with no downsides
You choose one made for concealed carry with limited capacity controllability sight radius etc
I have 15 round magazines that I have proven at the range. It has a Holosun and a light. It fits the safe and my wife (Alzheimer’s) can’t get to it. Gun and spare 15 round magazine fit in the vertical safe.
I have a shotgun and a Glock 19 next to the bed, but the back up in the next room is a an AR with frangible ammo. We live on a small farm, and not really worried about “over penetration,” I just have a lot of frang left over from a Thunder Ranch class a few years back.
Are you planning on missing a lot? ‘Cus the 5.56 isn’t know for “over penetration.” And that bullshit about “going through a wall and hitting the neighbors” is great urban legend, but doesn’t show up in any police reports.
Are you planning on missing a lot? ‘Cus the 5.56 isn’t know for “over penetration.” And that bullshit about “going through a wall and hitting the neighbors” is great urban legend, but doesn’t show up in any police reports.
Geissele super duty 11.5 ar15 with red dot is my go to home defense loaded with 77 grainers . Glock 19 for concealed carry away from home.
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You sound like you have a solid plan to really CQB the intruder!
CQB.
A technique of fire maneuver utilizing the application of surgical firepower combined with surprise, speed, and violence of action upon a given target in such a manner that the opposition‘s will is utterly destroyed.
My wife keeps an 18" Winchester 1873 loaded with Speer Gold Dot 135gr 38 +p's in it. It hold 9 rounds and she can empty all 9 in the A-zone at 25 yards in about 3 seconds. I drilled and tapped the barrel so we could mount a trijicon rmr on it and it has a clamp on light mount. Those little 38s are moving at 1100fps from that barrel ans expand to .65"
We have a wall mounted biometric rack, for the "bump in the night" long guns, above the bed.
We have a wall mounted biometric rack, for the "bump in the night" long guns, above the bed.
I have both a nightstand handgun, and a 5.56 AR close by.
Different circumstances for different people will make different options more viable to some. What works for me, might not be good for you and vice versa.
In my case; I know a LEO response is likely ~40 minutes away. I also have zero neighbors within a half mile. So mag dumping an AR (obviously that's a little extreme) isn't 1) going to put others on danger, and 2) The lethality is greater to ensure the threat is incapacitated...so the 5.56 offers more of what I need.
However, the nightstand pistol is accessible in two seconds. The old saying of pistol to get to the rifle... Pistols are also much more maneuverable.
I also have reinforced strike plates on my doors, drilled into triple studs. Plus I opted for the 3M window film to slow the progress of a break-in. All this does is give me that 20 second head start...and in a fight that is a huge advantage...probably even more so that my choice of firearm.
Different circumstances for different people will make different options more viable to some. What works for me, might not be good for you and vice versa.
In my case; I know a LEO response is likely ~40 minutes away. I also have zero neighbors within a half mile. So mag dumping an AR (obviously that's a little extreme) isn't 1) going to put others on danger, and 2) The lethality is greater to ensure the threat is incapacitated...so the 5.56 offers more of what I need.
However, the nightstand pistol is accessible in two seconds. The old saying of pistol to get to the rifle... Pistols are also much more maneuverable.
I also have reinforced strike plates on my doors, drilled into triple studs. Plus I opted for the 3M window film to slow the progress of a break-in. All this does is give me that 20 second head start...and in a fight that is a huge advantage...probably even more so that my choice of firearm.
SBR in 556 with an Eotech and white light shooting 77s
You could always “execute” (lol) ye olde Rainbow Six Seige hack…
You:
You:
- hear glass breaking
- grab MP5(k), gas mask & ur black pajamas
- bust (a nut?) through the bedroom window
- follow bad guys into your own house
- hilarity ensues!
Be better off with SuperSonics Barnes black tips.
Subs have very limited terminal effects. Regardless of 220s smk or subx190s
Would like to see a segmented solid load
I don't have any "home defense" rifles. Do have some home defense shotguns. But having gone through maze like stages and shoot houses with all three, pistol's the best choice in my world.
(shotguns would probably only enter into it in a "someone's coming through the door" scenario.)
(shotguns would probably only enter into it in a "someone's coming through the door" scenario.)
Taurus Judge, .410 dragons breath shot shells, is what I have for room clearing.
For more longer range engagements I've got another Judge with a scout scope using .410 solids.
Having the same weapon system for both roles simplifies training and logistics, and gives me some redundancy in my weaponry.
For more longer range engagements I've got another Judge with a scout scope using .410 solids.
Having the same weapon system for both roles simplifies training and logistics, and gives me some redundancy in my weaponry.
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I keep the flamethrower handy. On the other side of the crispy wall, I keep an Alexander Arms 50 beowulf with a muzzle brake
Why would you have to choose? Why not all of the above? I can't stash an AR in the bathroom so a stainless 686+ (handles steam from the shower well) is my crapper gat to get to the AR in the bedroom.
I used to keep a lmt 300 black next to me, but I turned 47 and fudlogic kicks in and a shotgun starts making a lot of sense, so I have a Beretta 1301 tactical now. Not a 1911 guy but I guess I'll have to get one for a backup now..... joking about the 1911, not joking about the shotgun..... Wtf is happening to me
9mm micro EDC pistol with light and red dot is literally always within 1 step of me if it's not on me....then there's a 12 gauge and other tools spread evenly as I make my way towards safe which I highly doubt would ever NEED to be opened to handle business
For 5.56 ......there's the copper frangible ammo that won't go through walls too bad and is also FAA rated as a side note....BLUF = reduced wall penetration option for those in need
I don't have one but......a mag fed semi 12 gauge = all you'd ever need 99% of the time if it's just you or you and wife in your bedroom without any other friendlies to worry about in the house......9mm = one bullet per pull.....00 Buck = multiple nearly 9mm sized pellets coming out per pull
For 5.56 ......there's the copper frangible ammo that won't go through walls too bad and is also FAA rated as a side note....BLUF = reduced wall penetration option for those in need
I don't have one but......a mag fed semi 12 gauge = all you'd ever need 99% of the time if it's just you or you and wife in your bedroom without any other friendlies to worry about in the house......9mm = one bullet per pull.....00 Buck = multiple nearly 9mm sized pellets coming out per pull
Additionally........I keep 2x 30 round mags taped together but 180 degrees opposite.......one has ballistic tips and other has the copper fragmenting rounds.......you could do the same with whatever ammo....say ballistic tips and m855 etc....gives you 2x ammo types and 60 rounds you can swap fast
I got a little side tracked .....so pistol vs AR......if I have both with me and both have a light.....and AR has 30 round mag.....I'm going for that.....also I never shoot an AR without a can so there's that benefit too
I got a little side tracked .....so pistol vs AR......if I have both with me and both have a light.....and AR has 30 round mag.....I'm going for that.....also I never shoot an AR without a can so there's that benefit too
I would use any of my pistols (9mm & .45acp /1911) and I can also use my Mossberg Shockwave with 1.75" 12G slugs or 04 buckshot. I keep that in an "under the bed" safe.
I like soft lead in the 300 BO...sub and super. Enough deer taken to know it works well up close out a ways. These GT will expand.
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