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It might turn out to be an expensive blessing in disguise.
It's natural to be introspective after something like this, but you have a company to run and the world is your oyster.
Man I hate to hear all this. But it doesn’t surprise me. At least not now. I met @brianf and @Feniks Technologies along with the scam artist at PRE. The scam artist made me promises and then ghosted me. Like the next day. Thankfully I never gave him anything and I’m not out anything financially.
It’s not surprising that Dave and Brian have gone above and beyond to do that right thing. I’m thankful for people in the world like them.
I hope the project does make it further. As it showed so much potential. I also hope the scam artist gets what he deserves and pays for his crimes.
It’s not surprising that Dave and Brian have gone above and beyond to do that right thing. I’m thankful for people in the world like them.
I hope the project does make it further. As it showed so much potential. I also hope the scam artist gets what he deserves and pays for his crimes.
Holy shit, what a turn of events. I did not see this plot twist coming up.
I feel for you @brianf and @Feniks Technologies, what a horrible thing to have to go through. A lot of us were fooled.
Insane what people try to get away with, and the effort they put into it.
Hopefully this works out for the best for you two moving forward for your business interests. I know the community is behind you, and you have a good following.
I feel for you @brianf and @Feniks Technologies, what a horrible thing to have to go through. A lot of us were fooled.
Insane what people try to get away with, and the effort they put into it.
Hopefully this works out for the best for you two moving forward for your business interests. I know the community is behind you, and you have a good following.
Damn you thesis I bought this lawnmower now you better send me the 17 cases of federal 185 gold medal Berger.
That's how most cons go. Start small, then gradually work up in severity. At my previous workplace we had 2 "Golden children" who were the president and treasurer of our union, and could do no wrong (kiss asses) in the eyes of the management, make off with $55k of traceable money and an unknown amount of cash donations made by the public. The treasurer changed the tax status of the union from a 501(c)(3) which is audited annually to a different charity status which is audited every 5 years or something.It amazes me how he thought he would get away with it
This only came to light.....( they were displaying falsified bank statements to it's membership).... because a bank employee was doing an internal review of different accounts and noticed there hadn't been any cash deposits into the union charity account in about a year, which was very unusual. That bank employee, thankfully not knowing the difference between the union and workplace, contacted a regular supervisor instead of the union member "in charge" of the account.
Criminal charges and jail time did happen thankfully. But the money obviously never came back. Both criminals made over $100k/year (when 100k was actually doing decent in life) so it's just just kinda crazy they both decided to do what they did.
I've seen this a fair bit, and there are some things that crop up frequently.
I've been called in to do a fair bit of accounting and forensic accounting for entities ranging from individuals/simple proprietorships to partnerships to corporate entities to trusts.
Sometimes the precipitating event is the death of a partner, and their beneficiaries want to figure out a way to keep the concern alive and healthy while still receiving the equity stake the deceased left them. Sometimes it's an S-corp or other pass-through entity and the shareholders want to know how best to proceed without endangering the status of the S-corp.
In other cases it's fraud or embezzlement, and the ripest target is a company that is doing lots of business because they are very good at what they do. Revenues are coming in, products are shipping, and customers are happy.
It's very easy to focus on one aspect of the business - making a damn good product - and some people are insanely good and making cool stuff.
I'm not one of those people, and so I focused on the business side of things.
None of the people who I did work for were stupid. I had heavy-hitting law firms specializing in securities law, engineering firms, medical practices, and even software developers. Many of them were much smarter than I was, I just happened to spend a lot of time and money studying a specific skill set to be able to figure out how to detect fraud or stop it from happening in the first place.
These were not dummies, and sometimes it's easy to focus on how well a company is doing or how promising it looks moving forward instead of taking a full blown accounting constantly of everything that is going on, and the fact is that it's very expensive and time-consuming to do that but also very expensive not to.
Sometimes the surgeon making a ton of money just wants to perform surgeries, and as long as he and his staff are paid, the business expenses are met, and the lights stay on, they don't get curious or don't feel like they have the time to delve into the financial weeds. After all, aren't they paying someone else to do that for them?
This is especially true when you have silent partners or investors who simply want an interest bearing vehicle for their money, they think the business idea is cool, but they don't really want to have to be too involved in the day to day affairs of the business.
Now none of this may be the case here with Hoplite, but it seems that fraud happens often enough (and I can tell you that it does) that there are enough people good at fraud to hoodwink smart, well-meaning people.
Welcome to being a "Gen X".
Question everything
Be a responsible consumer
Do your research
Resist the urge for impulse actions
At the end of the day you had better have prepared yourself to still have been screwed in some manner, because there is always someone smarter than you.
Life is a calculated risk. I may be a pessimist but I am rarely disappointed.
Good luck with the prosecution. I hope they get lots of time.
Wishing you guys the very best! I always pull for folks who handle things the right way!
I spent a good bit of my limited work time on texts and phone calls (from different numbers) initiated by the Skinny Cunt who fucked @brianf over.
. . . . . . Because I sincerely wanted to see a new business succeed, I shared contacts and experience regarding injection molding, powder metal components and 100 other parallel topics related to rifles.
I should get kudos and a medal just for telling him to avoid PT&G!
The one that shall be referred to forthwith as S.C. convinced me that “His” company was developing a rifle mounted LRF that they wanted to have beta testing by this summer. He knew I would be in heat for something new in this area.
He described the proposed housing, display and interface which I then critiqued the form factor on as being too big and obtrusive.
I finally figured out he was perfectly describing the Torrey Pines Logic unit. Any future communications that I would ask about progress on this LRF would be met with deflection to another more exciting tangent.
S.C. convinced me that “His” company was looking for more input on their chassis and also alternate chassis options. I shared my thoughts on going to an injection molded cheek rest for his chassis as well as a few other features.
Now I understand that he likely had no intention of using any of this information to actually further a project.
S.C. would text or call whenever there was a Hot Topic on this forum as if we were buddies.
S.C. got even more “good ol’ boy” leading up to the P.R.E. and I went along with it.
S.C. accompanied by the only legitimate people with Hoplite were the first heathens out of my inner circle to see the KMW Zealot.
A lot of S.C.’s interactions seemed “odd” but I wrote it off to his eclectic background and multinational nerdisms.
I mentioned more than once his lack of any accent which he wrote off as working very hard to sound like a “westerner”. He also claimed that he stuttered a lot and would work extra hard to enunciate correctly when talking. *I never noticed a stuttering trait in his verbal communication.
Soon after my return from the P.R.E., I was advised of the reality of things regarding the real S.C. and his games.
I was totally pissed off that I let my teenage enthusiasm with rifle shit put me into the danger zone of S.C.’s fuckery but my primary aggravation was that he massaged and fucked over @brianf .
So yes, I too was misled by S.C. and most probably the only reason he didn’t push harder for me to be more involved with “his” project is because he was just talented enough to figure out I am a poor ass redneck and with no real expendable assets for him to feed on.
It must be noted that, some members of his fine forum are worse than some little old grannies at the quilting bee trying to stir shit and throw doubt bombs just to be little bitches.
You want to hear you own authoritarian voice echo within a thread and get some Likes to validate your zero-talent life. For those that fall into this category, go find somewhere else to be petty and be petted.
Brian is THE one bearing the financial burden in addition to his lost time on this project. He has also come to this forum to publicly admit being conned which no one would ever want to be a victim of.
I was fooled as well but not being very bright, that is not too difficult to pull off.
I am just lucky that I only lost some valuable work time in this fracas.
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. . . . . . Because I sincerely wanted to see a new business succeed, I shared contacts and experience regarding injection molding, powder metal components and 100 other parallel topics related to rifles.
I should get kudos and a medal just for telling him to avoid PT&G!
The one that shall be referred to forthwith as S.C. convinced me that “His” company was developing a rifle mounted LRF that they wanted to have beta testing by this summer. He knew I would be in heat for something new in this area.
He described the proposed housing, display and interface which I then critiqued the form factor on as being too big and obtrusive.
I finally figured out he was perfectly describing the Torrey Pines Logic unit. Any future communications that I would ask about progress on this LRF would be met with deflection to another more exciting tangent.
S.C. convinced me that “His” company was looking for more input on their chassis and also alternate chassis options. I shared my thoughts on going to an injection molded cheek rest for his chassis as well as a few other features.
Now I understand that he likely had no intention of using any of this information to actually further a project.
S.C. would text or call whenever there was a Hot Topic on this forum as if we were buddies.
S.C. got even more “good ol’ boy” leading up to the P.R.E. and I went along with it.
S.C. accompanied by the only legitimate people with Hoplite were the first heathens out of my inner circle to see the KMW Zealot.
A lot of S.C.’s interactions seemed “odd” but I wrote it off to his eclectic background and multinational nerdisms.
I mentioned more than once his lack of any accent which he wrote off as working very hard to sound like a “westerner”. He also claimed that he stuttered a lot and would work extra hard to enunciate correctly when talking. *I never noticed a stuttering trait in his verbal communication.
Soon after my return from the P.R.E., I was advised of the reality of things regarding the real S.C. and his games.
I was totally pissed off that I let my teenage enthusiasm with rifle shit put me into the danger zone of S.C.’s fuckery but my primary aggravation was that he massaged and fucked over @brianf .
So yes, I too was misled by S.C. and most probably the only reason he didn’t push harder for me to be more involved with “his” project is because he was just talented enough to figure out I am a poor ass redneck and with no real expendable assets for him to feed on.
It must be noted that, some members of his fine forum are worse than some little old grannies at the quilting bee trying to stir shit and throw doubt bombs just to be little bitches.
You want to hear you own authoritarian voice echo within a thread and get some Likes to validate your zero-talent life. For those that fall into this category, go find somewhere else to be petty and be petted.
Brian is THE one bearing the financial burden in addition to his lost time on this project. He has also come to this forum to publicly admit being conned which no one would ever want to be a victim of.
I was fooled as well but not being very bright, that is not too difficult to pull off.
I am just lucky that I only lost some valuable work time in this fracas.
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Top Cat has Spoken !
Terry Cross for the win, people don’t realize how deep this is.
Terry Cross for the win, people don’t realize how deep this is.
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Epic!
Reading through some of the posts on his older accounts reveals some interesting stuff.
He’s been a shyster for quite some time here.
He had a good con working, kept interest and anticipation alive well.
If he’d kept on the legit and worked that hard for the project instead of hustling it as brian said he’d be in a better position and probably make more $$ with excellent long term prospects.
But alas, a shit bird has to shit bird.
Actually it amazes me the rifle got as far as it did.
Hopefully it gets made at some point.
I’m like mike and would love to have one of the early prototypes.
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If you put in the legwork, sourcing quality components and assembling a working rifle is not that hard, the Lego AR companies do it everyday
He wasn’t running a machine shop per say, he was organizing and assembling parts from other companies.
The rifle as built has merit, it just needs to be finished
He wasn’t running a machine shop per say, he was organizing and assembling parts from other companies.
The rifle as built has merit, it just needs to be finished
Sounds like he could have worked half as hard being legitimate and come out ahead in the end.
Thanks for chiming in, but you know as much as anyone…people have their opinions and very seldom swayed by facts.
Myself, the courts and several others know the truth.
That’s all that counts….the rest is just noise and matters as much as yesterdays weather.
Absolutely,
He was always moving in and around the edges of the community. He even worked for Desert Tech.
In a way, he had all the freedom in the world as initially there was very little accountability and with the financial freedom of using someone else’s money, which was more than enough, you can actually source some interesting concepts and put them into practice
You have the ability using someone else’s funds to experiment a little, to go outside the box, which he did things are easier. The problem is without the fake persona it’s harder to have the money people trust you. If Louis, the BBQ guy from Louisiana asked Brian to bankroll his idea, odds are the answer is NO.
But if you create a character, one with a resume that included international connections as well as dropping keywords that imply you have insider information, the vault doors tend to open easier. The depth of this grift cannot be overstated, he created a top to bottom character and that included one for his wife. She was part of it.
Take any industry represented by a member here, mechanic, engineer, IT, whatever, and I said to you, ”where is the need in your industry for new product, i am sure everyone of us can think of one thing needed. Now if I said, here is the money have it made, I am sure everyone would be able to assemble something, understanding the farther the money goes the more chance for success you’d have. The money side of what Louis sourced traveled far…
But who invests in just anyone … especially for repeating a good idea they assembled Using Google. Hence the character created. After all, catfish is a show on MTV, this is just a bigger version.
He was always moving in and around the edges of the community. He even worked for Desert Tech.
In a way, he had all the freedom in the world as initially there was very little accountability and with the financial freedom of using someone else’s money, which was more than enough, you can actually source some interesting concepts and put them into practice
You have the ability using someone else’s funds to experiment a little, to go outside the box, which he did things are easier. The problem is without the fake persona it’s harder to have the money people trust you. If Louis, the BBQ guy from Louisiana asked Brian to bankroll his idea, odds are the answer is NO.
But if you create a character, one with a resume that included international connections as well as dropping keywords that imply you have insider information, the vault doors tend to open easier. The depth of this grift cannot be overstated, he created a top to bottom character and that included one for his wife. She was part of it.
Take any industry represented by a member here, mechanic, engineer, IT, whatever, and I said to you, ”where is the need in your industry for new product, i am sure everyone of us can think of one thing needed. Now if I said, here is the money have it made, I am sure everyone would be able to assemble something, understanding the farther the money goes the more chance for success you’d have. The money side of what Louis sourced traveled far…
But who invests in just anyone … especially for repeating a good idea they assembled Using Google. Hence the character created. After all, catfish is a show on MTV, this is just a bigger version.
He was banned several times
He started out as S1, early, early on… he had words with George Gardner and started wars with him. That was a big deal back in the day. First Drama
Then he would pop in from time to time and get caught.
Because the systems changed over the years that opened up gap in our security. So if you, under this system gets banned it’s tracking you. But over the years we changed software, so a banned member from 2005 can register now because the system has no clue who you are.
We have moved 3x since 2001, and even within those moves there were others that equally damaged accounts.
20 years of account clutter, it’s easy to slip through the cracks. Plus the turnover of member, we are used to turnover and many of the people who might have recognized Louis’ style, they are gone so its just another new guy.
These incursions took place over years, with easily 3 to 5 year gaps between attempts
He started out as S1, early, early on… he had words with George Gardner and started wars with him. That was a big deal back in the day. First Drama
Then he would pop in from time to time and get caught.
Because the systems changed over the years that opened up gap in our security. So if you, under this system gets banned it’s tracking you. But over the years we changed software, so a banned member from 2005 can register now because the system has no clue who you are.
We have moved 3x since 2001, and even within those moves there were others that equally damaged accounts.
20 years of account clutter, it’s easy to slip through the cracks. Plus the turnover of member, we are used to turnover and many of the people who might have recognized Louis’ style, they are gone so its just another new guy.
These incursions took place over years, with easily 3 to 5 year gaps between attempts
You pretty much answered what I was asking, hence why I deleted the post. That takes some serious effort to do what he did. incomprehensible.
Truthfully does it even matter?
If it’s no, he’s a scammer
If it’s yes, he’s a scammer
The faster we stop speaking about him or his escapades the faster he fades into the dark, where he belongs.
Truthfully, we have more exciting and important ventures that we’re excited to speak about and release.
In my opinion, discussing this screen name is a waste of bandwidth.
Thanks
Exactly. He had a fucking dream job. I would love to be doing what he supposedly did. I just don't understand people sometimes.
Excited to see what else you have in the works. Hopefully there’s something I can take advantage of as a lefty. I’ll keep an eye out.
Don’t fuck with the man.Terry you are a gentleman and a legend.I’m glad your here. Thanks
Just listened to the just fn send it with theis podcast and it is so cringe and forth telling…. Dude has no accent whatsoever and can’t really explain anything, plus told everyone he was friends khabib ( famousUFC fighter) I wish some one would have just told him to speak Ukraine or talk about where he grew up.
So where can I drop my application, I hear you have a job opening?
I never followed anything regarding Hoplite. Don’t even know what it is. What got my attention was seeing names like Theis and Sihr involved in some type of cluster. Those guys were always active here on Snipershide and posted ALOT of technical info and interesting stuff. With all the threads on this topic flying around its very hard for someone like to me to “get the scoop” to what went down.
Can LL or a mod somehow make just one dam thread and start it off with Cliff Notes or Atleast a very brief and to the point paragraph as to what happened? So we don’t have to speculate and drag this on?
Can LL or a mod somehow make just one dam thread and start it off with Cliff Notes or Atleast a very brief and to the point paragraph as to what happened? So we don’t have to speculate and drag this on?
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Also, @1J04 Please Pm me your number so I can make sure there isn’t someone else out there that hasn’t been made whole Thanks I’m up all night guys. If you feel like you have a legit financial claim. As in “Theis” made some formal or informal agreement with you and you feel you are owed...
www.snipershide.com
Id like to add, if your so interested in what happened, I would think you’d like to research make your own decision.
Thanks
Asked several times, of course just BS talking about being kids, family etc
Like most things, Monday morning quarterbacking…if someone doesn’t want to talk about their childhood I don’t push so…I didn’t
I never heard it but the speaking Ukrainian might be true.
I can’t divulge why, but it’s possible.
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Also, @1J04 Please Pm me your number so I can make sure there isn’t someone else out there that hasn’t been made whole Thanks I’m up all night guys. If you feel like you have a legit financial claim. As in “Theis” made some formal or informal agreement with you and you feel you are owed...
Id like to add, if your so interested in what happened, I would think you’d like to research make your own decision.
Thanks
I am interested. And as a busy parent with 3 young kids working 2 jobs it’s just hard to sift through all the bullshit that seems to be floating around recently regarding this topic. I’d rather know I’m getting the true story and not heresy. I’ll try harder to figure it out. Sorry if I offended you. Wasn’t my intention.
It’s a dead issue,
nothing left but the law and lawyer, and all the drama from the people who had no clue that it blew up like you guys now.
the part many of you are missing is, this was all done remotely, hardly any of the parties were in the same room until recently. The red flags went up, but way late in the process, there was very little face time. When the face time finally happened, that is when all the warning signs lit up.
It’s one thing to explain the way certain thing unfolded, but with modern tech you can do a lot more and never be in the same room with people, that is the disconnect. Stuff was happening but nobody was together, much easier to hide the truth
Even at the expo, granted you had 4 things all happening at the same time, but when questions were not being answered there was a certain amount of WTF, but polite society, it takes a minute to finally uncover the what happened
nothing left but the law and lawyer, and all the drama from the people who had no clue that it blew up like you guys now.
the part many of you are missing is, this was all done remotely, hardly any of the parties were in the same room until recently. The red flags went up, but way late in the process, there was very little face time. When the face time finally happened, that is when all the warning signs lit up.
It’s one thing to explain the way certain thing unfolded, but with modern tech you can do a lot more and never be in the same room with people, that is the disconnect. Stuff was happening but nobody was together, much easier to hide the truth
Even at the expo, granted you had 4 things all happening at the same time, but when questions were not being answered there was a certain amount of WTF, but polite society, it takes a minute to finally uncover the what happened
Shit guys! I’m so sorry for all involved in this! I had my suspicions something was up but I did not know to what extent. What a POS! This really infuriates me! I sure am glad I never did the work for him that he contacted me about but I feel awful about recommending someone else for the job. I had a gut feeling that something wasn’t right and my gut has saved my ass more times than I can count. Such a damn shame someone would come into a community full of great people only to pretend to be one of us to run a scam such as this! Wow. I truly have no words! I have no dog in this fight other than the fact our community was betrayed and it really pisses me off, if I have not already made that abundantly clear. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know. I wish the company and the customers the best going forward.
I’ll probably not be posting in this thread often after today or so. Will have other things to respond to.
I’ll let Brian go into detail, but short answer is Yes in the HP stuff.
I mentioned on our podcast that it was amazing how he didn't have a hint of an accent and it sounded like he grew up here. He gave me the same line, how it was "by design" and it was "a lot of hard work." Also mentioned the stutter thing.
He first contacted me about finding him a working dog and had a very particular type/style of dog. I actually found the perfect dog for the job and for a really good price. After working out the details with the owner/trainer, Theis flaked out saying "with all the traveling I'll be doing for Hoplite, nows not a good time." FML. He had 0 intention of getting a working dog.
Not until that website is clear of any issues regarding ownership and such. Theis made a lot of obligations and such we either don’t know about or are still figuring it out.
*Note* I know exactly what you’re trying to be coy and slick about.
You guys (yes plural, as it’s just not one) are potentially messing with things that can hurt those you’re trying to stick up for.
As mentioned, one of the reasons for remaining private while sorting this all out was to keep the “Hoplite” name and brand from being labeled as a scam.
If that label were to stick enough the brand name is tarnished beyond repair….guess what? It gets shut down like any failed business. Then any pending accounts or partnerships stop immediately and money goes away.
So, while you all may be of the opinion that you’re looking out for community by prematurely forcing information into public…..
You are very well possibly creating a situation where you cause far more damage for anyone who still has a business relationship with Hoplite.
Of course, had people sent a PM, text, or phone call, we could have explained the plan and process playing out privately.
Instead we have been forced to act prematurely on many things. And if you continue, we will have to make other decisions that we don’t want to make.
As mentioned, one of the reasons for remaining private while sorting this all out was to keep the “Hoplite” name and brand from being labeled as a scam.
If that label were to stick enough the brand name is tarnished beyond repair….guess what? It gets shut down like any failed business. Then any pending accounts or partnerships stop immediately and money goes away.
So, while you all may be of the opinion that you’re looking out for community by prematurely forcing information into public…..
You are very well possibly creating a situation where you cause far more damage for anyone who still has a business relationship with Hoplite.
Of course, had people sent a PM, text, or phone call, we could have explained the plan and process playing out privately.
Instead we have been forced to act prematurely on many things. And if you continue, we will have to make other decisions that we don’t want to make.
I’m going to go back and listen again, but When I listened to it the first time I definitely remember thinking, that was not what I expected at all. He seemed to not have very many answers, be as knowledgeable, or act like his online persona at all. All that being said I didn’t give it a second thought after listening as he had me fooled the same as everyone else.
Also with the power of hindsight thinking about more oddities his “testing” videos of him throwing an action on the ground with only them sexy legs in the shot were hilarious
I refuse to go back and listen to it. I have half the mind to delete it but idk if that would help or hurt the situation.
To say I feel like a fucking dumbass would be an understatement. I don't like being gotten over on, but it happened. It happened to a lot of us.
What are you talking about?
I asked a simple question because personally I don't care to read through 20 pages of soap opera.
There's no personal agenda here Dave and I heard you the first time when you insinuated something by wanting me to PM you.
So to be clear Dave I'm asking this question to Brian.
Brian, what will be a good source of product information coming from YOU.
Thank you
from my phone so excuse grammer...
As can be imagined, all projects are in a holding pattern pending litigation as i have said several times over the past 48 hours.
if you have a particular question or information that i should be aware of please PM me and leave a phone number, id be more that willing to call at mutually agreed time.
additionaly any information which you might display may possibly used in court to help the cause, so i will be sending paperwork over immediatly if i believe its useful
depending on what the lawyers and accountants suggest the website may stay in its curent state of evolution while subsequent trials are pending, which could take years as i have no timeline as of yet.
as a side note for all that believe they are involved and informed but are only getting pieces of information from a grapevine of sorts
i found out the mystery mans name, which no one had done while they were suckling on the pig because of his copius amount of false information
if anyone or group thinks that my information gathering ability and budget stopped a few weeks ago, your either misinformed or confused
as i told theis several weeks ago, "i have access to more information than you can possibly imagine"
i have recovered additinal information that no one on earth but the lawyers myself and theis have ever laid eyes on, including some people on this site who helped me find other usuable information
the same holds true about specific groups of individuals who post and "like" certain comments but then reveal their true feelings behind closed doors
infomtion is out there one just needs to spend enough to gain access
trying to cause drama in a situation which you have no part of is petty at best, and rather unbecomming
id suggest in the future if one wants to play the gotcha game, they should contact me personally so rectification can be had
if not stay in your lane and watch the show
thanks
brian
Just lock the thread, everything has been covered several times over...... and now, as stated it just has the potential to hurt the honest parties involved. If you are owed money etc, the means to how and who contact is out there. If you can't be fucked reading, well you can't be out much.
Best a luck with your future endeavours gentleman, remain classy
Cheers
Pete
Best a luck with your future endeavours gentleman, remain classy
Cheers
Pete
The difference is… I’m not a scammer and have valid marketing credentials. Despite what happened to my reputation in the last 48 hours.
I can even send you pictures of my Bentley.
I am Sirhr and I approved this message.
Cheers, Sirhr
PS. Now that I have that cleared up, I have this really good deal to offer you all on these x-ray sunglasses as used by special forces to cut down the flare and they are really tactical. I take bitcoin and Venmo and no returns. Also some Sooper Sniper scopes that fell Off the truck. Forget the PX… just PM me and I’ll get right on it. Oh and Florida Land anyone?
thanks for reaching out,
in all honesty, if people are interested in what has been said or what has transpired there are 4-5 pages of posts made by myself and david which wil be more complete than a quick review
id always suggest learning on your own rather then seeking a easy answer
there are always multiple sides to the story, although i think im in the right opinions are welcome
i might even learn something from them
product and timeline information is also stated several pages ago with my first post in reaction to the erronous thread started late saturday night
any additinal information will be made public when its available and meets my criteria and the criteia of my legal team
my partner was one to give specific dates, im more for accurate timelines myself
if you or anyone are seeking particular information about the rifles themselves and or why certain materials were chosen id be more than willing to speak on the phone about the actual product which i am proud to have brought to its curent spec
although that information is available on this thread as well, we could go over the ins and outs of why certain materials were chosen or removed
just be warned i can nerd out about the design so the phone call might be longer than expected...lol
as david suggested above,
depending on the market presence and market opinion of the Hoplite brand when this is all said and done, it might be best to close hoplite destroy the inventory and start over
i have the plans and i have the design
in reality if the tax break equals the possible revenue from current inventory
i can then start over from a clean sheet distancing myself as far as possible from my partner..that might be the best move but only time will tell
of course i would rather not but if people persist in tying to drop flies in the oil, a less than positive opinon maybe had of hoplite by a new customer or a loss of sale by a possilbe customer who is turned off
both of which are not satisfactory in anyones eyes
thanks
brian
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