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Re: Hornady Super Performance
Well they definelty must have renewed their advertising agreemements with all the gun rags since they all have articles about it in them this month.
I am no ballistician but color me unimpressed. The article in Shooting Times has a chart that shows the performance compared to other loads. While this 150gr Superformance was the fastest, it wasnt by very much at all. Less than 100 FPS IIRC. It also had a greated SD than other loads. They claim it has less powder. OK, big deal, does than mean they are going to charge less for it since it used less materials??? I doubt it. Less blast and less recoil, they claim. Wow, theres 2 of the most subjective metrics I can think of. If this is hunting ammo, that I will add that I cannot recall the blast or recoil of any shot I ever took on game. Yes, at the bench but on game I rarely recall hearing the shot.
I an highly skeptical of this as it appears as much an advertising campaign as a new product. Drop the Light Mag and introduce the Superformance.
I will reserve final judgement after trying a box but when all the gun rags start handjobing a product at the same time, it makes me wonder.
Well they definelty must have renewed their advertising agreemements with all the gun rags since they all have articles about it in them this month.
I am no ballistician but color me unimpressed. The article in Shooting Times has a chart that shows the performance compared to other loads. While this 150gr Superformance was the fastest, it wasnt by very much at all. Less than 100 FPS IIRC. It also had a greated SD than other loads. They claim it has less powder. OK, big deal, does than mean they are going to charge less for it since it used less materials??? I doubt it. Less blast and less recoil, they claim. Wow, theres 2 of the most subjective metrics I can think of. If this is hunting ammo, that I will add that I cannot recall the blast or recoil of any shot I ever took on game. Yes, at the bench but on game I rarely recall hearing the shot.
I an highly skeptical of this as it appears as much an advertising campaign as a new product. Drop the Light Mag and introduce the Superformance.
I will reserve final judgement after trying a box but when all the gun rags start handjobing a product at the same time, it makes me wonder.
Re: Hornady Super Performance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most likely the same way they are getting the velocities out of the 300 and 338 RCM through proprietary powders. </div></div>
Correct. Hornady engineers formulated blends of spherical and flattened spherical powders for each caliber with each bullet in that caliber. They mix the powders to a specific recipe to get the perfect burn rate for that bullet. This allows the powder to provide a more constant pressure curve of acceleration. Common faster burning powders have a spike of pressure and decrease rapidly. Slower powders do not provide a full burn, and 10-15% of the powder exits at the muzzle. So, they created mixes of slower and faster powders to acheive this. It's got me thinking about some things, as well!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most likely the same way they are getting the velocities out of the 300 and 338 RCM through proprietary powders. </div></div>
Correct. Hornady engineers formulated blends of spherical and flattened spherical powders for each caliber with each bullet in that caliber. They mix the powders to a specific recipe to get the perfect burn rate for that bullet. This allows the powder to provide a more constant pressure curve of acceleration. Common faster burning powders have a spike of pressure and decrease rapidly. Slower powders do not provide a full burn, and 10-15% of the powder exits at the muzzle. So, they created mixes of slower and faster powders to acheive this. It's got me thinking about some things, as well!
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IMHO hornady has always been superperforming in my eyes, this stuff should leave everyone else FURTHER in the dust
IMHO hornady has always been superperforming in my eyes, this stuff should leave everyone else FURTHER in the dust
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Depends on the round I suppose. I have had good luck with Hornady tips in both .308 and .223, but abysmal performance in .338LM ( both 225 and 250gr ) so far. It doesn't help there isn't any load data on the 250gr tips in the latest Hornady Edition ( 7th I believe ) book. . . :|
I'm playing with the seating depth, but so far have not had a lot of luck with the groups.
My .308 absolutely adores the 155gr SST tips ( .4-.5 MOA ) and the .223 is in love with the 55gr Vmax tips, but the .338 seems to prefer the Sierra SMK's @ 250 over anything else I've tried to feed it thus far.
Depends on the round I suppose. I have had good luck with Hornady tips in both .308 and .223, but abysmal performance in .338LM ( both 225 and 250gr ) so far. It doesn't help there isn't any load data on the 250gr tips in the latest Hornady Edition ( 7th I believe ) book. . . :|
I'm playing with the seating depth, but so far have not had a lot of luck with the groups.
My .308 absolutely adores the 155gr SST tips ( .4-.5 MOA ) and the .223 is in love with the 55gr Vmax tips, but the .338 seems to prefer the Sierra SMK's @ 250 over anything else I've tried to feed it thus far.
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I think Hornady takes the extra steps in giving the shooter more. They do advertise their products and have good luck with this. The newer products that are coming out is a good thing. Take a look at the Creedmoor, Grendel,50 bmg,Superperformance, etc. I think if it adds 50fps to you shooting. That is a lot.
I would say they have taken the lead with ammo. You don't see Federal or other ammo makers saying here is something new. This is usually a sign of growth and a solid company.
I think Hornady takes the extra steps in giving the shooter more. They do advertise their products and have good luck with this. The newer products that are coming out is a good thing. Take a look at the Creedmoor, Grendel,50 bmg,Superperformance, etc. I think if it adds 50fps to you shooting. That is a lot.
I would say they have taken the lead with ammo. You don't see Federal or other ammo makers saying here is something new. This is usually a sign of growth and a solid company.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think Hornady takes the extra steps in giving the shooter more. They do advertise their products and have good luck with this. The newer products that are coming out is a good thing. Take a look at the Creedmoor, Grendel,50 bmg,Superperformance, etc. I think if it adds 50fps to you shooting. That is a lot.
I would say they have taken the lead with ammo. You don't see Federal or other ammo makers saying here is something new. This is usually a sign of growth and a solid company. </div></div>
The Creedmore factory loads have actually been reduced some from their original loads. The Hornady guys (Tony and Kevin) were running these a little over 2700 fps at the last match with the newer factory loads. The ammo still shoots very well all the way to 1K. I will say, for factory ammo, I am impressed!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think Hornady takes the extra steps in giving the shooter more. They do advertise their products and have good luck with this. The newer products that are coming out is a good thing. Take a look at the Creedmoor, Grendel,50 bmg,Superperformance, etc. I think if it adds 50fps to you shooting. That is a lot.
I would say they have taken the lead with ammo. You don't see Federal or other ammo makers saying here is something new. This is usually a sign of growth and a solid company. </div></div>
The Creedmore factory loads have actually been reduced some from their original loads. The Hornady guys (Tony and Kevin) were running these a little over 2700 fps at the last match with the newer factory loads. The ammo still shoots very well all the way to 1K. I will say, for factory ammo, I am impressed!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 03psd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Less blast and less recoil, they claim. Wow, theres 2 of the most subjective metrics I can think of. </div></div>
There is nothing subjective about less powder=less recoil. Simple physics as the bullet weight and powder weight is what you are accelerating.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 03psd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Less blast and less recoil, they claim. Wow, theres 2 of the most subjective metrics I can think of. </div></div>
There is nothing subjective about less powder=less recoil. Simple physics as the bullet weight and powder weight is what you are accelerating.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Correct. Hornady engineers formulated blends of spherical and flattened spherical powders for each caliber with each bullet in that caliber. They mix the powders to a specific recipe to get the perfect burn rate for that bullet. This allows the powder to provide a more constant pressure curve of acceleration. Common faster burning powders have a spike of pressure and decrease rapidly. Slower powders do not provide a full burn, and 10-15% of the powder exits at the muzzle. So, they created mixes of slower and faster powders to acheive this. It's got me thinking about some things, as well!
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I've been wondering about this too: Why don't any of the powder manufacturers or manual publishers list blended/duplex loads? If two different powders develop MAP at different times after ignition (and if that timing is preserved when they are blended) you could get a longer peak pressure curve, giving you more efficient internal ballistics, and hence higher muzzle velocities and/or lower powder loads.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Correct. Hornady engineers formulated blends of spherical and flattened spherical powders for each caliber with each bullet in that caliber. They mix the powders to a specific recipe to get the perfect burn rate for that bullet. This allows the powder to provide a more constant pressure curve of acceleration. Common faster burning powders have a spike of pressure and decrease rapidly. Slower powders do not provide a full burn, and 10-15% of the powder exits at the muzzle. So, they created mixes of slower and faster powders to acheive this. It's got me thinking about some things, as well!
</div></div>
I've been wondering about this too: Why don't any of the powder manufacturers or manual publishers list blended/duplex loads? If two different powders develop MAP at different times after ignition (and if that timing is preserved when they are blended) you could get a longer peak pressure curve, giving you more efficient internal ballistics, and hence higher muzzle velocities and/or lower powder loads.
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