Me and my buddy from work got into a little arguement about a custom made savage .308 rifle im buying. He said the $800 im gonna pay is to much. The guy selling the rifle is another friend of mine who does some precision shooting. The work buddy said that was too much money for a rifle when i could go to walmart and get the same thing, i said no they are not and he asked what makes it custom. I said the barrel, reciever, and the way it was made. I need some more info so i can argue and explain my position. I am starting to learn presion shooting so any info will help.
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Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those that know, no explanation is needed; for those that don't, none is possible.</div></div>
verily so
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those that know, no explanation is needed; for those that don't, none is possible.</div></div>
verily so
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
do not confuse a true custom gun with a gun that was lashed up using off-the-shelf-bolt-on trinkets made to look all snipery......
savages are real easy to do this to....any sewing machine mechanic can do it, but what you end up with is no where near worthy of a custom gun
do not confuse a true custom gun with a gun that was lashed up using off-the-shelf-bolt-on trinkets made to look all snipery......
savages are real easy to do this to....any sewing machine mechanic can do it, but what you end up with is no where near worthy of a custom gun
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Snipery- I LIKE that, I will use that in the future!
I can tell you this about Wal-Mart guns, having worked at one years ago for a short while, and ALSO having worked for a MAJOR manufacturing company.
Wal-Mart has the purchase power to set IT'S price, and determine what goes into a gun. If they won't pay the price the companies want, they won't buy it and in an effort to make the sale they will cheapen it. Seriously.
The 870 Express was a primary example.
Wal Mart is not the only one though- Gander Mnt, Dicks etc also get the same deals and treatment. The gun you get from a Smith worth his salt that has had propper work done to it,is NOT comparable to what you will pick up at a Wal Mart or any other mart for that matter.
Savage makes a decent out of the box rifle when speaking of 110/11/12 stuff. The Axis? garbage.
FOR instance I know of a gentleman who purchased a Waetherby Vanguard (Don't laugh ((yet))) and was so proud. He found however, despite his pride in the target shipped in the box that he couldn't chamber a round in the barrel and brought it to be inspected. What we found was that there was NO chamber cut in the barrel AT ALL. Question is- where did the accuracy guarantee target come from?
When the 17 HMR craze was on and Marklin sold it's soul to Stalin Mart, I received 5 and of the 5 three were immediatley returned. Cracked stocks and one with a crown so burred a bullet couldn't have exited.
If he doesn't understand crap for economics, and tolerance and preceision, then there is no argument to make that he can comprehend.
Remember, that you never argue with stupidity because they will only drag you down and beat you with experience.
Snipery- I LIKE that, I will use that in the future!
I can tell you this about Wal-Mart guns, having worked at one years ago for a short while, and ALSO having worked for a MAJOR manufacturing company.
Wal-Mart has the purchase power to set IT'S price, and determine what goes into a gun. If they won't pay the price the companies want, they won't buy it and in an effort to make the sale they will cheapen it. Seriously.
The 870 Express was a primary example.
Wal Mart is not the only one though- Gander Mnt, Dicks etc also get the same deals and treatment. The gun you get from a Smith worth his salt that has had propper work done to it,is NOT comparable to what you will pick up at a Wal Mart or any other mart for that matter.
Savage makes a decent out of the box rifle when speaking of 110/11/12 stuff. The Axis? garbage.
FOR instance I know of a gentleman who purchased a Waetherby Vanguard (Don't laugh ((yet))) and was so proud. He found however, despite his pride in the target shipped in the box that he couldn't chamber a round in the barrel and brought it to be inspected. What we found was that there was NO chamber cut in the barrel AT ALL. Question is- where did the accuracy guarantee target come from?
When the 17 HMR craze was on and Marklin sold it's soul to Stalin Mart, I received 5 and of the 5 three were immediatley returned. Cracked stocks and one with a crown so burred a bullet couldn't have exited.
If he doesn't understand crap for economics, and tolerance and preceision, then there is no argument to make that he can comprehend.
Remember, that you never argue with stupidity because they will only drag you down and beat you with experience.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">do not confuse a true custom gun with a gun that was lashed up using off-the-shelf-bolt-on trinkets made to look all snipery......
savages are real easy to do this to....any sewing machine mechanic can do it, but what you end up with is no where near worthy of a custom gun </div></div>
Not to start an argument, but are you saying that taking a Remington 700 action and building a rifle using said action is any different than taking a Savage action and building a rifle using that action?
Please explain
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">do not confuse a true custom gun with a gun that was lashed up using off-the-shelf-bolt-on trinkets made to look all snipery......
savages are real easy to do this to....any sewing machine mechanic can do it, but what you end up with is no where near worthy of a custom gun </div></div>
Not to start an argument, but are you saying that taking a Remington 700 action and building a rifle using said action is any different than taking a Savage action and building a rifle using that action?
Please explain
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
I didn't see anybody bring up 700s.....
But, yes, building a 700 and building a Savage is far different. A 700 requires machining and specialized tools whereas any monkey with hand tools can "build" a Savage. You'll see more Savages that were monkey-built than you will 700s because you have to know what you're doing and have a lathe to build a 700.
I didn't see anybody bring up 700s.....
But, yes, building a 700 and building a Savage is far different. A 700 requires machining and specialized tools whereas any monkey with hand tools can "build" a Savage. You'll see more Savages that were monkey-built than you will 700s because you have to know what you're doing and have a lathe to build a 700.
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I am new to all of this and am just getting into it but maybe I am wrong. If I can build a rifle on a savage action without having to pay out the nose for specialized work and get the same accuracy as a rifle built on a 700 action then I will go with the savage.
I am new to all of this and am just getting into it but maybe I am wrong. If I can build a rifle on a savage action without having to pay out the nose for specialized work and get the same accuracy as a rifle built on a 700 action then I will go with the savage.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: akgriffin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Me and my buddy from work got into a little arguement about a custom made savage .308 rifle im buying. He said the $800 im gonna pay is to much. The guy selling the rifle is another friend of mine who does some precision shooting. The work buddy said that was too much money for a rifle when i could go to walmart and get the same thing, i said no they are not and he asked what makes it custom. I said the barrel, reciever, and the way it was made. I need some more info so i can argue and explain my position. I am starting to learn presion shooting so any info will help. </div></div>
You might want to get some clarification on what a "custom made Savage" is, because someone could just as easly go to Wal-mart and pick one up and throw some camo paint on it and tell you that they did some custom work to it.
SScott
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: akgriffin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Me and my buddy from work got into a little arguement about a custom made savage .308 rifle im buying. He said the $800 im gonna pay is to much. The guy selling the rifle is another friend of mine who does some precision shooting. The work buddy said that was too much money for a rifle when i could go to walmart and get the same thing, i said no they are not and he asked what makes it custom. I said the barrel, reciever, and the way it was made. I need some more info so i can argue and explain my position. I am starting to learn presion shooting so any info will help. </div></div>
You might want to get some clarification on what a "custom made Savage" is, because someone could just as easly go to Wal-mart and pick one up and throw some camo paint on it and tell you that they did some custom work to it.
SScott
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am new to all of this and am just getting into it but maybe I am wrong. If I can build a rifle on a savage action without having to pay out the nose for specialized work and get the same accuracy as a rifle built on a 700 action then I will go with the savage.</div></div>
listen to the salty ones here.....sit on your hands and search out someone that drives a true custom gun,,,,and compare,custom guns have many subtle differences that make it easier to the initiated to accomplish the task......remember, its just a tool
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am new to all of this and am just getting into it but maybe I am wrong. If I can build a rifle on a savage action without having to pay out the nose for specialized work and get the same accuracy as a rifle built on a 700 action then I will go with the savage.</div></div>
listen to the salty ones here.....sit on your hands and search out someone that drives a true custom gun,,,,and compare,custom guns have many subtle differences that make it easier to the initiated to accomplish the task......remember, its just a tool
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Yes, you may get lucky and get a precision rifle out of the box from ChinaMart. However, if you do then immediately go buy a Lottery ticket because you just got VERY lucky.
Not counting my Remy Sendero II in 7 mag, I have found that almost every new rifle that I’ve bought (mostly Remingtons) needs something done to it out of the box. It’s almost a guarantee that they needed bedded and floated before they’d shoot for chit. The last 4 Remys that I bought also needed re-crowing done as they all had a small ding on the edge of the muzzle. Those Tupperware stocks need replaced as well. Once I did all of that work (along with load development) they shot pretty darned good.
The point to all of this is that, hopefully, the rifle that you’re planning on buying already has these things done to it (perhaps other things as well) and shoots bugholes. However, I’d verify that the work had actually been done before laying down your cash. Shoot it first he’ll let you.
Someone attempting to compare a true custom rifle with one from ChinaMart is only showing his ignorance. I’d be leery of this particular individual especially if he’s giving you advice on reloading. Ignore this person.
Yes, you may get lucky and get a precision rifle out of the box from ChinaMart. However, if you do then immediately go buy a Lottery ticket because you just got VERY lucky.
Not counting my Remy Sendero II in 7 mag, I have found that almost every new rifle that I’ve bought (mostly Remingtons) needs something done to it out of the box. It’s almost a guarantee that they needed bedded and floated before they’d shoot for chit. The last 4 Remys that I bought also needed re-crowing done as they all had a small ding on the edge of the muzzle. Those Tupperware stocks need replaced as well. Once I did all of that work (along with load development) they shot pretty darned good.
The point to all of this is that, hopefully, the rifle that you’re planning on buying already has these things done to it (perhaps other things as well) and shoots bugholes. However, I’d verify that the work had actually been done before laying down your cash. Shoot it first he’ll let you.
Someone attempting to compare a true custom rifle with one from ChinaMart is only showing his ignorance. I’d be leery of this particular individual especially if he’s giving you advice on reloading. Ignore this person.
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I'm just learning this stuff, and i dont think my buddy would sell me a POS, cause he knows i would still be friends with him, but not do business with him agian. I know he told me he got the rifle off here for his brother. Also it looks more like a precision weapon than a juiced up walmart special. Also can savage made rifles make very good precisions rifles? i want to thank you all for the info and opinions.
I'm just learning this stuff, and i dont think my buddy would sell me a POS, cause he knows i would still be friends with him, but not do business with him agian. I know he told me he got the rifle off here for his brother. Also it looks more like a precision weapon than a juiced up walmart special. Also can savage made rifles make very good precisions rifles? i want to thank you all for the info and opinions.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
I think we all have some level of agreement, I am talking about starting with an action, having that action timed and trued and then building the rest of the rifle around that, to me that is a costume gun. The great part to me about a Savage is that I myself can upgrade the barrel to a match grade barrel without having to pay someone to do it for me.
As mentioned above, the best rifle in the hands of someone that doesn't know how to shoot it is no better than a factory off the shelf rifle.
I think we all have some level of agreement, I am talking about starting with an action, having that action timed and trued and then building the rest of the rifle around that, to me that is a costume gun. The great part to me about a Savage is that I myself can upgrade the barrel to a match grade barrel without having to pay someone to do it for me.
As mentioned above, the best rifle in the hands of someone that doesn't know how to shoot it is no better than a factory off the shelf rifle.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">are you saying that taking a Remington 700 action and building a rifle using said action is any different than taking a Savage action and building a rifle using that action?</div></div>
Absolutely.
The savage bolt lift and extraction issues are well known.
Savage rifles shoot good groups out of the box if you are a bench shooter, but when you really get down in the dirt and compete with a rifle, the advantages of a Remington 700 action or it's custom made clone will become readily appearant.
As an example, here is a savage being used in a speed drill during a competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ0gFbW7ASI
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">are you saying that taking a Remington 700 action and building a rifle using said action is any different than taking a Savage action and building a rifle using that action?</div></div>
Absolutely.
The savage bolt lift and extraction issues are well known.
Savage rifles shoot good groups out of the box if you are a bench shooter, but when you really get down in the dirt and compete with a rifle, the advantages of a Remington 700 action or it's custom made clone will become readily appearant.
As an example, here is a savage being used in a speed drill during a competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ0gFbW7ASI
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we all have some level of agreement, I am talking about starting with an action, having that action timed and trued and then building the rest of the rifle around that, to me that is a costume gun. The great part to me about a Savage is that I myself can upgrade the barrel to a match grade barrel without having to pay someone to do it for me.</div></div>
The problems with savage rifles can not be cured with a rebarrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we all have some level of agreement, I am talking about starting with an action, having that action timed and trued and then building the rest of the rifle around that, to me that is a costume gun. The great part to me about a Savage is that I myself can upgrade the barrel to a match grade barrel without having to pay someone to do it for me.</div></div>
The problems with savage rifles can not be cured with a rebarrel.
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not really a custom as much as really nice build....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWxRXeuZ7p0
not really a custom as much as really nice build....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWxRXeuZ7p0
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't see anybody bring up 700s.....
But, yes, building a 700 and building a Savage is far different. A 700 requires machining and specialized tools whereas any monkey with hand tools can "build" a Savage. You'll see more Savages that were monkey-built than you will 700s because you have to know what you're doing and have a lathe to build a 700. </div></div>
Another way to look at it:
Because the savage is easy, any monkey can do it right. Because the Remmy is "difficult", any monkey can do it wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't see anybody bring up 700s.....
But, yes, building a 700 and building a Savage is far different. A 700 requires machining and specialized tools whereas any monkey with hand tools can "build" a Savage. You'll see more Savages that were monkey-built than you will 700s because you have to know what you're doing and have a lathe to build a 700. </div></div>
Another way to look at it:
Because the savage is easy, any monkey can do it right. Because the Remmy is "difficult", any monkey can do it wrong.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">are you saying that taking a Remington 700 action and building a rifle using said action is any different than taking a Savage action and building a rifle using that action?</div></div>
Absolutely.
The savage bolt lift and extraction issues are well known.
Savage rifles shoot good groups out of the box if you are a bench shooter, but when you really get down in the dirt and compete with a rifle, the advantages of a Remington 700 action or it's custom made clone will become readily appearant.
As an example, here is a savage being used in a speed drill during a competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ0gFbW7ASI </div></div>
Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">are you saying that taking a Remington 700 action and building a rifle using said action is any different than taking a Savage action and building a rifle using that action?</div></div>
Absolutely.
The savage bolt lift and extraction issues are well known.
Savage rifles shoot good groups out of the box if you are a bench shooter, but when you really get down in the dirt and compete with a rifle, the advantages of a Remington 700 action or it's custom made clone will become readily appearant.
As an example, here is a savage being used in a speed drill during a competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ0gFbW7ASI </div></div>
Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
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I think this is an issue that we are not all going to agree on, I am a Ford guy and have many friends that are Chevy guys. Would I love to have a rifle built by one of the well known rifle builders on this site that performs like no other, sure I would but I also have a wife, children, a mortgage, etc. that need to be paid.
I think this is an issue that we are not all going to agree on, I am a Ford guy and have many friends that are Chevy guys. Would I love to have a rifle built by one of the well known rifle builders on this site that performs like no other, sure I would but I also have a wife, children, a mortgage, etc. that need to be paid.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think this is an issue that we are not all going to agree on, I am a Ford guy and have many friends that are Chevy guys. Would I love to have a rifle built by one of the well known rifle builders on this site that performs like no other, sure I would but I also have a wife, children, a mortgage, etc. that need to be paid. </div></div>
A very good point, and I apologize for futhering the ridiculous Savage/Remington theme.
On the original question:
You can't compare a cheap factory Remmy/Savage/etc rifle to a *quality* custom. The *quality* custom has been built from the ground up so that each individual part works perfectly, in concert with each other part. The factory rifle is built according to an engineering drawing that calls out dimensions with the widest tolerance zone the engineer thinks will still allow the rifle to "work".
A Savage with a new barrel really isn't a"custom", either...not to say there is ANYTHING wrong with them. Generally, the barrel is chambered without ever even laying eys upon the action it will go on. These generally work very well, incidentally, but it is still not a *quality* custom that has been individually fit and tuned.
In most cases, you get what you pay for.
In all cases, when you compare "good", "better" and "best", you'll see better costs a fair amount more than good, and is a fair amount better. Best costs a LOT more than better, but again, is only a fair amount better than better.
Hope that makes sense.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbradford71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think this is an issue that we are not all going to agree on, I am a Ford guy and have many friends that are Chevy guys. Would I love to have a rifle built by one of the well known rifle builders on this site that performs like no other, sure I would but I also have a wife, children, a mortgage, etc. that need to be paid. </div></div>
A very good point, and I apologize for futhering the ridiculous Savage/Remington theme.
On the original question:
You can't compare a cheap factory Remmy/Savage/etc rifle to a *quality* custom. The *quality* custom has been built from the ground up so that each individual part works perfectly, in concert with each other part. The factory rifle is built according to an engineering drawing that calls out dimensions with the widest tolerance zone the engineer thinks will still allow the rifle to "work".
A Savage with a new barrel really isn't a"custom", either...not to say there is ANYTHING wrong with them. Generally, the barrel is chambered without ever even laying eys upon the action it will go on. These generally work very well, incidentally, but it is still not a *quality* custom that has been individually fit and tuned.
In most cases, you get what you pay for.
In all cases, when you compare "good", "better" and "best", you'll see better costs a fair amount more than good, and is a fair amount better. Best costs a LOT more than better, but again, is only a fair amount better than better.
Hope that makes sense.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
</div></div>
SPS Tactical 20" factory bbl
winchester brass
175 smk
cci br2
45.8 varget
seated 2.800
2650 FPS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
</div></div>
SPS Tactical 20" factory bbl
winchester brass
175 smk
cci br2
45.8 varget
seated 2.800
2650 FPS
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
I like the ford/chevy analogy. I think this rifle is gonna be good for me, I am a long range shooting beginner, i dont need a tack driver till i stop making shotgun patterns with it. I thank everyone agian for thier helpl.
I like the ford/chevy analogy. I think this rifle is gonna be good for me, I am a long range shooting beginner, i dont need a tack driver till i stop making shotgun patterns with it. I thank everyone agian for thier helpl.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
</div></div>
No offense intended, but so what? A sticky bolt lift that requires the shooter to make an upward smack on the bolt is a telltale sign of overpressure. It doesn't matter if its 2100fps - too much pressure!
Incidentally, my Savage runs ~2800fps with a 175. As we all know, different rifles are...different.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
</div></div>
No offense intended, but so what? A sticky bolt lift that requires the shooter to make an upward smack on the bolt is a telltale sign of overpressure. It doesn't matter if its 2100fps - too much pressure!
Incidentally, my Savage runs ~2800fps with a 175. As we all know, different rifles are...different.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
</div></div>
175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
</div></div>
so that means that there were no overpressure or other reloading issues with the ammo, right?
i'm with turbo on this. that is an ammo issue, not a rifle issue in that video.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2156SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh come on... Do I need to dig up or make a video of a Remmy or even a custom malfunctioning? Also, looks to me like those cartridges are overpressure - looks like a sticky bolt to me.
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175's over varget at 2650fps from a 26" barrel.
Same load causes no problems in a tight chambered custom gun.
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so that means that there were no overpressure or other reloading issues with the ammo, right?
i'm with turbo on this. that is an ammo issue, not a rifle issue in that video.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Timex. Rolex.
Both tell time. One is built to take a likkin.
The other will go to the bottom of the ocean.
By the way, WalMart carries Timex. . .
Gnite girls.
Timex. Rolex.
Both tell time. One is built to take a likkin.
The other will go to the bottom of the ocean.
By the way, WalMart carries Timex. . .
Gnite girls.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
gees sounds like an anti savage rifle group 2 me.sure sucks my stock savage will out shoot your stock remingtons any day of the week.
gees sounds like an anti savage rifle group 2 me.sure sucks my stock savage will out shoot your stock remingtons any day of the week.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">gees sounds like an anti savage rifle group 2 me.sure sucks my stock savage will out shoot your stock remingtons any day of the week. </div></div>
I'll take that bet.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">gees sounds like an anti savage rifle group 2 me.sure sucks my stock savage will out shoot your stock remingtons any day of the week. </div></div>
I'll take that bet.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
well how can we have a shoot off.wanna post some groups or do we need witness or what you gonna drive to wy since you took the bet lol.im down for it lets do this.
well how can we have a shoot off.wanna post some groups or do we need witness or what you gonna drive to wy since you took the bet lol.im down for it lets do this.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Tag....just cause its funny! I don't know but it seems to me that once you change something/anything, then its not stock any more.....so what does that make it? I'm not gonna jump on one side or the other, as both have there pros and cons in my opinion. I just a monkey I guess!
Tag....just cause its funny! I don't know but it seems to me that once you change something/anything, then its not stock any more.....so what does that make it? I'm not gonna jump on one side or the other, as both have there pros and cons in my opinion. I just a monkey I guess!
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Again? <span style="font-style: italic">really</span>? Why bring a gun to a pissing match?
Has nothing I've said here over the past decade even been read?
I used to think this site had value; but lately, that's become subject to doubt.
I can see it's time for another vacation.
Greg
Again? <span style="font-style: italic">really</span>? Why bring a gun to a pissing match?
Has nothing I've said here over the past decade even been read?
I used to think this site had value; but lately, that's become subject to doubt.
I can see it's time for another vacation.
Greg
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again? <span style="font-style: italic">really</span>? Why bring a gun to a pissing match?
Has nothing I've said here over the past decade even been read?
I used to think this site had value; but lately, that's become subject to doubt.
I can see it's time for another vacation.
Greg </div></div>
Greg, is that what you meant to say?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again? <span style="font-style: italic">really</span>? Why bring a gun to a pissing match?
Has nothing I've said here over the past decade even been read?
I used to think this site had value; but lately, that's become subject to doubt.
I can see it's time for another vacation.
Greg </div></div>
Greg, is that what you meant to say?
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has nothing I've said here over the past decade even been read?</div></div>
You gotta post the links in the new threads because the old threads slide down into oblivion once people stop posting in them and then start new ones...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has nothing I've said here over the past decade even been read?</div></div>
You gotta post the links in the new threads because the old threads slide down into oblivion once people stop posting in them and then start new ones...
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
I have a Savage that shoots lights out. I'm not that great of a precision shooter (coming from skeet and pistol) but an instructor and some better shooters than me have put 3 shots into the exact same hole from my 10FP. It has some actual work done to it and was built as a benchrest rifle. It is dead nuts accurate.
Does the bolt suck? Yes
Does it get stuck? Sometimes
Extraction problems? Yeah.
I bought it to get into the precision rifle world. I've done bolt mods and all the good stuff but it is what it is. The bolt is looser than a Vegas hooker. Savages are great for what they are but if I was a serious competitor I would buy a custom rifle.
I have a Savage that shoots lights out. I'm not that great of a precision shooter (coming from skeet and pistol) but an instructor and some better shooters than me have put 3 shots into the exact same hole from my 10FP. It has some actual work done to it and was built as a benchrest rifle. It is dead nuts accurate.
Does the bolt suck? Yes
Does it get stuck? Sometimes
Extraction problems? Yeah.
I bought it to get into the precision rifle world. I've done bolt mods and all the good stuff but it is what it is. The bolt is looser than a Vegas hooker. Savages are great for what they are but if I was a serious competitor I would buy a custom rifle.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
I'm new to the precision rifle world myself, but common sense says there is a reason why a customized Savage is considerably cheaper to assemble than a custom rifle built on a Remy or Remy clone action.
A Savage will get the job done, just like a Kia will get your ass to work; but given the option, we would all prefer to be driving a Mercedes that will massage your nuts while you sit in traffic for an hour.
Until I can put together my custom rifle, my Savages will fill my shooting needs. Only a moron will blindly argue that a Savage is more accurate than somone else's Remy..............not to say a Remy is any more accurate, but that is a bold blanket statement.
I'm new to the precision rifle world myself, but common sense says there is a reason why a customized Savage is considerably cheaper to assemble than a custom rifle built on a Remy or Remy clone action.
A Savage will get the job done, just like a Kia will get your ass to work; but given the option, we would all prefer to be driving a Mercedes that will massage your nuts while you sit in traffic for an hour.
Until I can put together my custom rifle, my Savages will fill my shooting needs. Only a moron will blindly argue that a Savage is more accurate than somone else's Remy..............not to say a Remy is any more accurate, but that is a bold blanket statement.
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Are you 14 years old? You come to a gunsmith forum and ask about an erector set rifle. Buy the silly thing if it trips your trigger, but do not for a half second think any self respecting gun plumber is ever going to send you to a savage. We choose to put mucho labor and dough into rifles based on our, or our customers wants and needs. Were life so easy as to open the lego box and build a precision rifle.....I would give up legos
Are you 14 years old? You come to a gunsmith forum and ask about an erector set rifle. Buy the silly thing if it trips your trigger, but do not for a half second think any self respecting gun plumber is ever going to send you to a savage. We choose to put mucho labor and dough into rifles based on our, or our customers wants and needs. Were life so easy as to open the lego box and build a precision rifle.....I would give up legos
Re: How compare custom rifles from walmart type rifles
Opinions vary. While I may disagree with some the prior statements, opinions are valid on this forum.
I happen to like Savage rifles despite their 'erector set' status. So does Team Savage, and they seem to have had some success with their rifles. Whether one chooses to believe their factory stock status, they are clearly competitive in a real world context.
In my own case, I don't put a lot into my rifles, and I'm am content to accept what they give back. 'Til recently, this has been the pursuit of a shooter with shallow pockets. Lately, that has changed; but the basic premise, that accuracy can be found in more than one manner, is probably just as valid as it ever was.
In any case, it's a fun pursuit, and I reject the lofty insistence that it's a futile one.
But all opinions here are respected...; I hope.
Regarding links to one's own old threads, I tend to avoid things like that, it strikes me as overly self-serving. Or lazy, besides; a good question deserves a fresh answer. Some reference has been made lately to a tendency on my part to be self aggrandizing. Maybe...; I suppose anything is possible
If memory serves, topics age out and are dropped from the forum after a couple of years. If so, it's a good idea. Space is not infinite, and good topics tend to refresh themselves anyway. Links might not work that far back.
Greg
Opinions vary. While I may disagree with some the prior statements, opinions are valid on this forum.
I happen to like Savage rifles despite their 'erector set' status. So does Team Savage, and they seem to have had some success with their rifles. Whether one chooses to believe their factory stock status, they are clearly competitive in a real world context.
In my own case, I don't put a lot into my rifles, and I'm am content to accept what they give back. 'Til recently, this has been the pursuit of a shooter with shallow pockets. Lately, that has changed; but the basic premise, that accuracy can be found in more than one manner, is probably just as valid as it ever was.
In any case, it's a fun pursuit, and I reject the lofty insistence that it's a futile one.
But all opinions here are respected...; I hope.
Regarding links to one's own old threads, I tend to avoid things like that, it strikes me as overly self-serving. Or lazy, besides; a good question deserves a fresh answer. Some reference has been made lately to a tendency on my part to be self aggrandizing. Maybe...; I suppose anything is possible
If memory serves, topics age out and are dropped from the forum after a couple of years. If so, it's a good idea. Space is not infinite, and good topics tend to refresh themselves anyway. Links might not work that far back.
Greg
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