How do you practice for PRS?

[PracticalTactical]

I'm really curious how many of you guys go about practicing for PRS competition.

I was speaking with a few of the top shooters at my last match and was told by one of them he shoots around 8,000 rounds a year in practice and another guy said he was well over double that. Well that's just great if you're rich but for the rest of us, we need a more affordable solution.

Myself, I have a variety of methods, each to focus on specific needs.

The first is motor skills. I have a 4x4 practice cactus in the basement and I shoot from 10 yards with a pretty good repeating PCP pellet rifle that closely replicates PRS style setup. The goal here is to develop stable shooting positions, work on transitions, speed and dialing the scope to simulate windage and elevation calls. I have graph paper targets where I always aim at one place but must dial the scope to hit elsewhere on the target to simulate long range shots.

The second goal is ballistic calibration. I do this from a bench with both 22LR and center fire. I start every practice day here and confirm that my muzzle velocity changes are tracking with temperature changes as well as ballistic drop data in my Garmin 701.

Third is firing from made up PRS style obstacles at close range, like no further than 200 yards. I do this at close range so I can eliminate wind call errors and focus on position and timing work. I don't want a wind call to distract from my position work and shooting.

The fourth stage is doing it like a match out to longer distances. Here I have to make wind calls and make sure ballistic data is right.

So... How do you guys do it?

Do you have any sort of structured approach to PRS practice?

 

[jpcowboy]

I keep my old course of fire paperwork and pick stages i struggle with and set that stage up and run it with a timer, but i can shoot at my house

 

[BLKWLFK9]

i have a barricade at 200 yards at my house. I usually run it and shoot 3" shoot n see stickers and also have a mobile barricade that i will run off my deck and shoot to 511 yards. With that said, i dry fire in my reloading room every night using the Indoor dry fire training system. I usually dry fire on the 1.5 and 1 moa targets on the screen. I wish it had more targets on it that size instead of the 2.5-4 moa targets. Doesnt do me much good dry firing on targets that big. I'll rarely see targets that size in a match.

 

[Sheldon N]

Best practice is more matches. I can dry fire and practice my butt off, but if I'm not shooting in actual competions I feel like I'm getting rusty. Something about going through the exercise of shooting in match scenarios under time and competitive pressure helps make the setting familiar. When matches are familiar and I can relax that's when I shoot my best.

Practice is nothing fancy. Dry fire from a ladder, at sub MOA targets, focusing on target acquisition and transitions. Build position, click, move, rinse and repeat. Live fire is the same, work a ladder at whatever target I'm shooting at, smaller is better, one shot per position. I usually run 5 rounds at a time and work a dummy round in there to keep me honest about any flinch or movement when I break the shot.

 

[PracticalTactical]

Practice is nothing fancy. Dry fire from a ladder, at sub MOA targets, focusing on target acquisition and transitions. Build position, click, move, rinse and repeat. Live fire is the same, work a ladder at whatever target I'm shooting at, smaller is better, one shot per position. I usually run 5 rounds at a time and work a dummy round in there to keep me honest about any flinch or movement when I break the shot.

^^^
This is good stuff.

 

[dzander]

shooting without any glasses , not a good idea, Can you shoot at matches without any glasses?

 

[EN2722]

IMHO, getting out there and shooting matches is the single best practice there is. Everything else should help supplement those events.

What helps me is saving the stages I punted into the stands and dry fire and dissect them. Identify issues, and try really hard not to make the same mistake twice.

 

[TACC]

Great info, thanks

 

[lead.rain]

Best practice is more matches. I can dry fire and practice my butt off, but if I'm not shooting in actual competions I feel like I'm getting rusty. Something about going through the exercise of shooting in match scenarios under time and competitive pressure helps make the setting familiar. When matches are familiar and I can relax that's when I shoot my best.

Practice is nothing fancy. Dry fire from a ladder, at sub MOA targets, focusing on target acquisition and transitions. Build position, click, move, rinse and repeat. Live fire is the same, work a ladder at whatever target I'm shooting at, smaller is better, one shot per position. I usually run 5 rounds at a time and work a dummy round in there to keep me honest about any flinch or movement when I break the shot.

The dummy round idea is one of the best drills for any shooting discipline.

 

[Darkside-Six]

Shooting local 1 day club matches is some of the best practice you can get. Aside from that I have a barricade in my basement and dry fire on it several time per week.

 

[spife7980]

I make up a little course and practice. Sometimes I time it, sometimes I take my sweet ass time analyzing where and what Im doing and how this little changes increases or decreases the rifles stability.

Like on position 3, sometimes I will press my firing arm elbow into the reel for added stability, some times I purposefully float it to challenge myself. Just depends on what I feel I need to work on at the time.

But mixing up the positions: pretty low on my hands and knees for position 1, standing tall slightly higher than perfect on position 2, position 3 is high enough that I can sit on my foot, position 4 requires me to be kneeling, 5 is a kneeling platform that rotates a bit so you cant just blindly push into it.

Just mix it up and challenge yourself.

 

[kthomas]

I do a lot of dry firing in the living room, there's a stop sign at ~400 yards that I practice with, as well as white rocks that contrast a hill also around ~400 yards that I use as targets.

Dry fire prone, dry fire off of a tripod, dry fire off of couches and step ladder, dry fire kneeling and standing, etc. I also have a PCP airgun that I use for practice - tripod shooting practice, and I should work some more barricade practice in with it as well. I got some little steel targets set up in the backyard for the PCP, I will incorporate some barricade shooting with it. I want to find some smaller targets as well as a ultra mini KYL rack for it.

 

[PAYDIRT]

22 in the front yard, 25-100 yards. 223 at my range, 100-555 yards. Try to have friends over for a small match, always better when something's on the line, pressure situations get many people.

 

[KeithR41]

Dime drills!!! Ugh!

 

[david8989]

So I do a mixture of things to prep for PRS shoots, in no particular order here are the ways I train.
1) Monthly local matches!!! These are your train ups for the real deal regional/national level matches. Make good use of them
2) Dryfire practice in my game room with a DFAT lense and target sheet with 0.5-2moa targets. I will usually grab a chair or my half sized PRS barricade
3) Live fire at the range with my centerfire rifle. This can include simulated stages at various distances, working a single prop or position at 250yds, or making sure my dope/kestrel is 100% spot on for match day
4) 22 rimfire practice at 50/100yds. I have a rimfire that closely matches my centerfire rifle and getting in reps with it helps a TON! Not only with ammo cost but the amount of reps you can get in for that same cost. As slowly as a rimfire bullet shoots it will tell you when you have crappy fundamentals incredibly quickly.
*) Also, film yourself whenever possible. Doing an AAR of your serious match or training days can allow you to see things you didn't know you were even doing. I currently use a gopro7 and triggercam to get both points of view

 

[Dthomas3523]

You could literally setup a PRS barricade @100yds and shoot 1/2” and 1” dots and get enough practice to do very well at PRS. Dry and live fire.

Carry wind meter around and get good at calling wind at the shooter.

If you developed your fundamentals well enough to see your shots and correct, if you missed the first shot on every stage and then cleaned the rest after seeing your miss......you’d do very well.

 

[PracticalTactical]

Since I made my 4X4 Practice Cactus and shoot air rifle from it quite a bit in the basement, I am finding that balancing the rifle on a bag has become second nature, and so far I think there's a lot to be said for strengthening that element. Doing it all the time has improved my speed during transitions and I seem to be placing higher in matches lately.

One of the air rifles I use in the basement frequently is an Anschutz .177 target rifle and it is so bloody accurate, that it exposes the slightest errors that are hard to see under the recoil of a powder burner. While it is only single shot, it still serves to ensure the shot is made clean and feedback is absolute.

The other air rifle I've been using is an FX Dreamline in an Areon chassis. It's okay, but if anyone is interested, I would suggest that you go with a Weihrauch HW-100 in an Aeron chassis. The HW-100 has an anti double feed feature that will save your bacon during transitions if you bump the bolt (to prevent loading 2 pellets in the pipe) and it has a heavier solid steel barrel with a more consistent point of impact.

I suspect that many of you probably de-value the benefit of air rifle training for PRS, but I believe its time and money well spent especially for guys that have a long drive to the range, like me. Besides, even shooting an air rifle is more fun than dry fire, particularly with a good repeating PCP air rifle.

The other thing that really seems to have helped is I spend a lot of time verifying and re-verifying my Garmin 701 trajectory information. I've found some of my worst performances during a match were when I later found the data from my ballistic calculator didn't correctly match reality.

I made some 4' x 4' Coroplast targets with 1x2" frames (light weight versions of what we used for F Class) and I put them out in the field at various distances between 400 and 750 yards. Usually something like 400, 500, 620 and 750. Realistically a 4 foot target is way too big for some of these distances, but I can use them at longer distances when we can get to the other farm.

I use the ballistic calculator to generate my dope for all four targets and fire 1 shot at each target and repeat three times. Then I walk out there, measure the hits, take pictures and put stickers over the holes.

I go back to the shooting bench and do my best to adjust the parameters on the Garmin 701 to help get it as close as possible.

Having actual bullet holes is just more certain than trying to spot hits on steel through mirage at distances. It's just more accurate, reliable and efficient using these target frames.

 

[308pirate]

As I have looked to start shooting PRS matches it's become apparent to me that I'll never be competitive cause I can't shoot several hundred rounds a month for practice, with financially or even having the time to go shoot several times a week.

I'll have to shoot for fun mostly, as the practice schedule some of these guys maintain, is crazy

That's the same in every single shooting sport. Period. USPSA, IDPA, sporting clays, NRA positional rifle (both CF and RF), skeet, and trap. I've done them all and it's always the same.

Let me give you a for instance: it took me on average 10 - 15K rounds a year to be locally competitive in NSCA sporting clays and move from E to A class in two years.

People who've never competed have this unrealistically low idea of how much work it takes to be competitive even at the local level.

 

[fencewire]

Only shoot nrl22 with the kid, but we shoot at least twice a week and pull old COF's from their website that we didn't shoot, or like someone else said, that we struggled with, and have our own competitions. When we do this, we run though each stage first without a timer, looking for better ways to be positioned and trying things out, then we run our "competition" timed stage.

I make it a point to have him watch flags as we drive to the range so he has an idea of what the wind is doing on that particular day, then have him estimate what the wind is doing prior to pulling out the kestrel, then make him figure out his best guess at wind holds at 50,75,100,150 prior to loading all the data and letting the app tell you.

Want to incorporate more practice at home though.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I’m still of the opinion you can build a tank trap and a prs barricade, shoot 1” dots @ 100 and if you get good at it, you can smoke most of the field at matches.

Sure, wind is important, but with the 600 and closer targets, unless wind is big or switchy, you don’t have to be a wind reading pro to be on plate first or second round.

 

[Krob95]

Since I made my 4X4 Practice Cactus and shoot air rifle from it quite a bit in the basement, I am finding that balancing the rifle on a bag has become second nature, and so far I think there's a lot to be said for strengthening that element. Doing it all the time has improved my speed during transitions and I seem to be placing higher in matches lately.

One of the air rifles I use in the basement frequently is an Anschutz .177 target rifle and it is so bloody accurate, that it exposes the slightest errors that are hard to see under the recoil of a powder burner. While it is only single shot, it still serves to ensure the shot is made clean and feedback is absolute.

The other air rifle I've been using is an FX Dreamline in an Areon chassis. It's okay, but if anyone is interested, I would suggest that you go with a Weihrauch HW-100 in an Aeron chassis. The HW-100 has an anti double feed feature that will save your bacon during transitions if you bump the bolt (to prevent loading 2 pellets in the pipe) and it has a heavier solid steel barrel with a more consistent point of impact.

I suspect that many of you probably de-value the benefit of air rifle training for PRS, but I believe its time and money well spent especially for guys that have a long drive to the range, like me. Besides, even shooting an air rifle is more fun than dry fire, particularly with a good repeating PCP air rifle.

The other thing that really seems to have helped is I spend a lot of time verifying and re-verifying my Garmin 701 trajectory information. I've found some of my worst performances during a match were when I later found the data from my ballistic calculator didn't correctly match reality.

I made some 4' x 4' Coroplast targets with 1x2" frames (light weight versions of what we used for F Class) and I put them out in the field at various distances between 400 and 750 yards. Usually something like 400, 500, 620 and 750. Realistically a 4 foot target is way too big for some of these distances, but I can use them at longer distances when we can get to the other farm.

I use the ballistic calculator to generate my dope for all four targets and fire 1 shot at each target and repeat three times. Then I walk out there, measure the hits, take pictures and put stickers over the holes.

I go back to the shooting bench and do my best to adjust the parameters on the Garmin 701 to help get it as close as possible.

Having actual bullet holes is just more certain than trying to spot hits on steel through mirage at distances. It's just more accurate, reliable and efficient using these target frames.

Can you post a picture of said practice cactus?

 

[PracticalTactical]

Can you post a picture of said practice cactus?

Here it is Krob95... This was the most space efficient design I could think of.

All the joints are glued with construction adhesive and it has a 3 point leg so it doesn't rock.

 

[Krob95]

Thank you!

 

[david8989]

Here it is Krob95... This was the most space efficient design I could think of.

All the joints are glued with construction adhesive and it has a 3 point leg so it doesn't rock.

View attachment 7381459

Ooh, that's super nice. And your right, much more space efficient than a prs barricade. Thanks for sharing!

 

[308pirate]

Thank you!

I use an aluminum 4 ft ladder. Not as nice but a whole lot easier to haul to the range.

 

[PracticalTactical]

To keep it interesting shooting at close range, I use these targets but I dont aim directly at the dot I'm trying to hit.

Instead, I always aim at the black dot at the center of the bottom row between the vertical bars, but I dial up and over to hit the other dots. This way I'm dialing the scope between position changes just like in a match.

On this target at 10 yards, the dots are 5 MOA apart, but you can print them to MIL or whatever scale you want.

I have a sign maker buddy who prints them for me on adhesive vinyl. He also prints larger ones for 22 LR practice at longer distances.

I also use 10 squares per inch graph paper, and color in specific dots anywhere to simulate a specific stage.

The limitation with graph paper is fixed increments depending on the size of squares.

I've considered printing pictures and marking dots all over it to replicate the back drop of a PRS range, like we can download from http://www.dstprecision.net/index.html

Adding graph lines to the picture would help calculating the offsets.

 

[PracticalTactical]

Here's a couple targets I made that you guys can download and print for yourself if you like.

These are kind of an inverted Christmas tree kind of deal where you should aim for the red square at the bottom but dial up to hit other places on the target.

Its a great way to practice at close range with an air rifle or 22 while working your scope dialing skills.

You can use a highlighter to color in any squares that you want to hit, maybe to replicate specific stages of a competition. Or use MS Paint to edit the PNG File and just color any cells you want.

Print to whatever scale fits your needs to match MOA or MILs or the distance you want to practice at.

.

 

[Virginia Shooter]

Thank you for taking the time to make these available

 

[308pirate]

Old post that came back to life...……..

One thing I completely disagree with is the statement that the best practice is more matches. I've never found that to be true in any shooting sport I've been serious about (NRA Highpower, NSCA sporting clays, and USPSA Carry Optics)

Sure, there are things that are best learned in a competition (exposing yourself to mental pressure, time management) but just about anything else including all the technical skills needed to do well are best learned and trained away from game day.

I've digested performance books and podcasts from several high level pistol shooters and not a single one believes that going to more matches more frequently is even close to the best way to get better.

Shooting on the move is a very important skill to have in USPSA if one wants to be truly competitive. If I relied on developing that skill by just shooting more matches one of two things would happen: I would stagnate for a significant amount of time or I would quit in frustration. Instead, I used focused dry fire over the last two months to turn that skill from a weakness to a strength to the point that it was key in placing 2nd overall at 89% of an Open division Grand Master at my last match.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Matches are *not* proper practice.

Club matches can be decent if you get to try things and such without much pressure or people caring.

But, if you’re serious about training, you need dedicated range time where you can set the regimen.

 

[308pirate]

Club matches can be decent if you get to try things and such without much pressure or people caring.

Agreed, and many of the most successful USPSA shooters use level 1 (club) matches as experiments.

 

[1moaoff]

I practice at home these kids need to learn to shoot so its really practice they need. Get the hint?

GGWG's & Kids S.A.F.E. Foundation Let's Do This!

One of our Brothers, @earthquake brought this up regarding the Kids S.A.F.E. Foundation. Myself and a number of others have looked into this, and as far as Good Guy's With Guns and The Squirrel Mafia is concerned, this is a WINNER all the way around. Here is the link for donations and some...

www.snipershide.com

 

[Sheldon N]

I guess since I was the one that posted "best practice is more matches" I'll offer up a slight defense.

First I'll say that I'm completely in the camp of actual independent practice, and I do it regularly. My 14 year old daughter is shooting matches with me now, and she is practicing at the range with me every week. Transitions and building positions, shooting off barricades, small targets, fundamentals. Without the basic skills sets of shooting you're not going to have success. My original post makes that clear - I practice a bunch and it's what I'm doing with my daughter as I help her explore the sport.

What I really meant by "Best practice is more matches" is that you are not going to be really good at shooting matches unless you actually shoot matches regularly.

There are a ton of skills that are honed/crafted when actually at a match that are difficult to do by just going to the range for some practice. To rattle off some of the skills that come to mind...

Reading then interpreting and memorizing complicated courses of fire.
The practice of locating and memorizing new target locations for each course of fire.
Problem solving - how am I going to shoot this stage, where is my bag going to be, how should I transition, what's my bipod height, what other gear should I use, or avoid?
Forming a plan/visualizing/executing.
Time/pressure of competition
Learning wind/terrain at new locations
Focus endurance, keeping your head in the game for 6 hours

I think it all boils down to the fact that most matches involve new problems that a shooter has to prepare for and solve. It's really hard to have that same experience at your home range. And once you've got some basic skill in positional shooting, tacking on another 5,000 rounds doing the same thing isn't going to elevate your performance much.

 

[308pirate]

I guess since I was the one that posted "best practice is more matches" I'll offer up a slight defense.

First I'll say that I'm completely in the camp of actual independent practice, and I do it regularly. My 14 year old daughter is shooting matches with me now, and she is practicing at the range with me every week. Transitions and building positions, shooting off barricades, small targets, fundamentals. Without the basic skills sets of shooting you're not going to have success. My original post makes that clear - I practice a bunch and it's what I'm doing with my daughter as I help her explore the sport.

What I really meant by "Best practice is more matches" is that you are not going to be really good at shooting matches unless you actually shoot matches regularly.

There are a ton of skills that are honed/crafted when actually at a match that are difficult to do by just going to the range for some practice. To rattle off some of the skills that come to mind...

Reading then interpreting and memorizing complicated courses of fire.
The practice of locating and memorizing new target locations for each course of fire.
Problem solving - how am I going to shoot this stage, where is my bag going to be, how should I transition, what's my bipod height, what other gear should I use, or avoid?
Forming a plan/visualizing/executing.
Time/pressure of competition
Learning wind/terrain at new locations
Focus endurance, keeping your head in the game for 6 hours

I think it all boils down to the fact that most matches involve new problems that a shooter has to prepare for and solve. It's really hard to have that same experience at your home range. And once you've got some basic skill in positional shooting, tacking on another 5,000 rounds doing the same thing isn't going to elevate your performance much.

Now that you explain it, we're really saying the same thing.

 

[gconnoyer]

You can do a TON with dry practice.
Working on your movements and being as efficient as possible, working on setup, getting into/out of position, etc. Thats the PRS-gamey part of it that you need to practice. Once you get that part down that experienced guys have an uncountable amount of reps doing, it will free up a ton of time for your brain so that you can actually think during the stage instead of just rushing through it.

Fundamentals are fundamentals. Dry practice helps but you do need live fire to make sure what you're doing is working (if that makes sense)
Practicing with a goal or plan helps a ton.

Most importantly, shooting more matches. Theres just an element that you cant replicate with practice. Staying focused all day, dealing with the clock, shooting under pressure with people watching or worrying about your score, shooting in unknown and changing conditions AT RANGE, everything you experience at a match. You can be the most practiced off season shooter, and I promise you'd still make dumb mistakes the first few rust buster matches of the year.

I have a PRS barricade that I practice movement and dry fire on and a 1-1.5moa dot spray painted on a tree in the back yard.
I try and break the week down to working on specific things each day and even spending just 20-30mins a day makes a huge difference.
I.E. Monday I'll work on foot movement/placement, Tues I might work on getting the gun down and into position, Wed I might focus mainly on perfect trigger presses, Thurs I might focus on my body positioning, Friday I'll throw it all together and practice trying to go faster and faster.

At the range for live fire, I generally will start with a zero, speed, and fundamental check (just like I would do in the morning before the match)
Then I move out to the furthest distance I have available and go for a first round impact with a wind call and/or correction and follow up shot.
I might stay and shoot a few more and work on spotting, measuring, and correcting to center of the plate.
After that, I just move back to 100 and work on 1" dot drills and shoot the KraftData Challenge (target available on here). I've found that its an AWESOME low round count training tool.

TLDR, dry practice as often as you can even if its just for 10-30mins and shoot a lot of matches. You wont win for along while and you wont be a top finisher overnight so just enjoy a day/weekend out shooting with friends and get advice/tips from anyone willing and see what works for you.

 

[PracticalTactical]

I find dry fire practice so boring. I still do it occasionally but its a bit of a trick since I cant focus the scope inside the house. This puts me in the kitchen out the patio window so obvious problems arise there.

I prefer to use an air rifle in the basement and have found that to be quite enjoyable. I have a Vortex DT on it so it can focus, and the rifle is a Weihrauch HW100 with an Aeron chassis fitted with an Arca rail. This is a very accurate set up with good pellets.

I started using an FX Dreamline but the chinsey barrel will not hold POI very well. The HW100 is 100 percent.

There have also been problems with double feeding pellets with the FX that cant happen with the HW 100.

Its a bit humbling to shoot a pellet gun when we are accustomed to long range, but the positional issues are the same. Its also real interesting to see the results of canting the rifle, balance, clean trigger break etc.

I feel like dry fire provides an unrealistic feedback system as we think we are breaking clean shots, even if we aren't. An accurate pellet rifle will keeps us honest with ourselves. Key point is the rifle needs to shoot dead nuts. If its not accurate, its not helping. With the HW100 in .177. I can fire 14 rounds from 10 yards into a piece of paper and a pellet cannot fall through the hole in the paper.

Bottom line, is if you want to give this a try, get the HW100 and you will be satisfied. There is likely other good air rifles out there but if you look closely enough, you will find the HW100 hard to beat particularly when moving with the bolt open. Just make certain it has a solid steel barrel and not the thin tubular barrels these guys are flogging these days.

 

[Dthomas3523]

it’s not possible for a dry fire clean break to not be a clean break. If the reticle doesn’t move, it’s a clean break.

The difference is when we subconsciously believe or don’t believe there is the possibility of a round going off/noise/recoil, which is what leads to the bad trigger breaks.

This is why both live and dry fire practice is a necessity along with ball and dummy drills. Neither is better than the other as they provide opportunity for us to work on things separately.

 

[PracticalTactical]

The problem with your theory is there is no referee to call us out on our BS.

We are all super hero's in our own minds.

I can hit a stop sign with an imaginary shot at any distance with every shot, that doesn't mean I can in reality.

 

[Dthomas3523]

The problem with your theory is there is no referee to call us out on our BS.

We are all super hero's in our own minds.

I can hit a stop sign with an imaginary shot at any distance with every shot, that doesn't mean I can in reality.

Not a “theory.”

If you pick something not much larger than the center dot or crosshairs and pull the trigger, if it doesn’t move.......your position is stable and your trigger press and breathing are acceptable.

This is a tiered approach. You add recoil and other such things with live fire for another tier. Dryfire is immensely important for proper training.

One of us professionally trains people to be marksmen, the other builds bipods out of tent stakes. The readers can decide which to listen to.

 

[brianf]

Right there is the difference.

As with any sport or task if you don’t take practice serious and put ego aside, you will only reinforce bad habits.

That is the difference between a marksman and a shooter.

one practices all facets of the sport and the other just pulls the trigger.

 

[Newbie2020]

I feel like dry fire provides an unrealistic feedback system as we think we are breaking clean shots, even if we aren't. An accurate pellet rifle will keeps us honest with ourselves.

So shooting a pellet rifle is better practice than dry firing my actual competition rifle off improvised barricades? I’ve never read this before. I’m new to LR competition and trying to learn, especially w the ammo situation.

 

[kthomas]

So shooting a pellet rifle is better practice than dry firing my actual competition rifle off improvised barricades? I’ve never read this before. I’m new to LR competition and trying to learn, especially w the ammo situation.

I enjoy airguns, but they don't really have any recoil. Not enough to have any practical benefit from that standpoint.

Personally, I'm an advocated for training with a .308. A .308 will expose any weakness in your fundamentals, and make an honest shooter out of you.

 

[308pirate]

The problem with your theory is there is no referee to call us out on our BS.

We are all super hero's in our own minds.

I can hit a stop sign with an imaginary shot at any distance with every shot, that doesn't mean I can in reality.

Do not assume that no one else can derive trigger control improvement through dry fire just because you can't discern a good break from a bad one or don't have the self discipline to call yourself out when you see one.

In any case, trigger control is the least of many skills that get improved through disciplined dry fire.

 

[308pirate]

I enjoy airguns, but they don't really have any recoil. Not enough to have any practical benefit from that standpoint.

Agree. Same for training for practical pistol shooting with airsoft replicas.

 

[308pirate]

I can hit a stop sign with an imaginary shot at any distance with every shot, that doesn't mean I can in reality.

I'm almost certain that you don't grasp the point behind dry fire

 

[Dthomas3523]

I use a tiered approach:

Dryfire
Rimfire (air gun probably similar)
Centerfire

 

[Darkside-Six]

Dry fire is one of the single biggest thing that’s benefited me personally. It’s the ability to practice the fundamentals with the absence of recoil.

As long as you have good fundamentals it’s great practice.

Shit......go visit a Rifles Only class with Jacob. Bet you’ll dry fire half the fist day.

Also, if you’re indoors, look at getting something like the DFAR or indoor dry firing system that lasts you use your scope at like 10Ft. I have one on my basement and have a few props like a barricade and cattle gate that I practice on. Just building good positions and working fundamentals.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Dry fire is one of the single biggest thing that’s benefited me personally. It’s the ability to practice the fundamentals with the absence of recoil.

As long as you have good fundamentals it’s great practice.

Shit......go visit a Rifles Only class with Jacob. Bet you’ll dry fire half the fist day.

Also, if you’re indoors, look at getting something like the DFAR or indoor dry firing system that lasts you use your scope at like 10Ft. I have one on my basement and have a few props like a barricade and cattle gate that I practice on. Just building good positions and working fundamentals.

That’s Ol’ Bynum to you......

 

[Darkside-Six]

That’s Ol’ Bynum to you......

View attachment 7564971

I just saw he posted this on FB too. Wasn’t at the brawl but was laughing hysterically.

 

[308pirate]

I use a tiered approach:

Dryfire
Rimfire (air gun probably similar)
Centerfire

Yep

Hell I was doing that when I was shooting service rifle about 20 years ago.

I made 6 moa black circles on 3x5 cards and placed them at 10 yards in my basement. I'd suit up and either practiced individual skills (like getting into position), build offhand endurance, or even simulate shooting a complete match.

I also bought a Compass Lake 22 service rifle upper. In many ways highpower was way ahead of the curve with developments like heavy .224 bullets, 6.5 amd 6 mm match cartridges (David Tubb, Joe Hendricks, Dennis DeMille, and Dave Emary), and heavy use of rimfire trainers.