Fieldcraft How Many actual SHTF scenarrios in your lifetime?

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Serious Question.

I watch the Y2K guys and the 2012 Guys and the EOTWAWKI guys and I realize that none of them prepare for what actually happens.

Since the year of my birth, 1963, these are the real SHTF events that actuall occurred in the Continental Unites States:

1965--Watts Riots. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots

1977-NYC Blackout Riots. Link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977

1980 Miami Riot. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Riot_1980

1992 Rodney King Riot. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

2005 Hurricane Katrina. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

Crazy stuff happens in the US ALL THE TIME.

Can you add to my list (Just for chits and giggles)

BMT
 
#3
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I suppose it depends on your definition.

Being without power for a week or two, floods, etc.. etc...

Theres a difference between being prepared for an emergency and being paranoid.
 
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2008 presidential election...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose it depends on your definition.

Being without power for a week or two, floods, etc.. etc...

Theres a difference between being prepared for an emergency and being paranoid. </div></div>

Which is the point.

Some of these events make a "Bug OutBag" very reasonable -- so you can get away from the Witch Creek Fire or the Teton Dam.

Some require staying in place and surviving for a month. So water and heat and food are good things to have.

Note that neither scenario justifies "fleeing to the mountains with a AR."

The More I read "real life" disasters, the less I wonder about "ZOMBIE SHOOTOUTS" and the more I wonder how many abandon/stray/rabid dogs I might have to shoot with a .22.

Then, of course, how do I justify 40 dead dogs in my front yard when the LEOs finally restore order?

Just looking at what REALLY happens, and how best to handle real, issues that arise in EVERY scenario.

BMT
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Then, of course, how do I justify 40 dead dogs in my front yard when the LEOs finally restore order?

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You mean you don't own a shovel?
 
#7
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Unless you are so desperate that you have to eat them, why are you shooting stray dogs? A cat may go feral in a couple of weeks. Domestic dogs mostly just die or look for a new home in the amount of time that most SHTF scenarios mentioned abov e actually lasted. We were looking for a dog when a lot of the Katrina dogs were in shelters. None of them were what I would call "in need of shooting". Cats were a different story....

Being able to find and purify water and take local small game (rabbits & squirrels) seems reasonable to me - as well as being able to keep others from taking your stuff. Maybe a bug-out bag with what you would need to accomplish the above, plus any prescription medications, a change of warm waterproof clothes, toilet paper, moderate amount of cash and a decent first aid kit would get you pretty damn far.

Most people will continue to try to live as normally as possible - that's all they know. It's when that is impossible and hunger/thirst sets in that things get really interesting.

You can't be prepared for everything and if you knew what was coming you'd probably avoid it. Which is why people with CCW permits generally carry a small handgun (if any) and not a battle rifle. The benefit does not justify the inconvenience. Most people do not take extra precautions when driving, but you are much more likely to be involved in an automobile accident than to be involved in a SHTF scenario or to need a concealed firearm.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cinosbus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You can't be prepared for everything and if you knew what was coming you'd probably avoid it. Which is why people with CCW permits generally carry a small handgun (if any) and not a battle rifle. The benefit does not justify the inconvenience. Most people do not take extra precautions when driving, but you are much more likely to be involved in an automobile accident than to be involved in a SHTF scenario or to need a concealed firearm. </div></div>

I Don't Know about a CONCEALED Firearm,but having a firearm has saved my Ass on more than one occasion.Most people I know that have a CPL/CCW/CWP didn't get it to hang behind their desk in a frame.
 
#9
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What about 911 - doesn't that qualify for SHTF?

What about the Anthrax scare?

There were many close calls that could have been TEOTWAWKI situations. The Cuban Missle Crisis could have been WW111

Reagan also pushed the Soviets really hard, if they did not back down, he really was ready to push the button. That could have been WW111.

Being prepared is like life insurance. You might have it but hope you never have to use it. Or like a concealed weapon. Once again, have it and hope you never have to use it.

I am a prepper and have been prepping for over 30 years. But I enjoy it. It employs backpacking, camping, survival training, as well as tactical practice and training.

We are now facing more potential crises than ever before in our history. The financial system is about to collapse - our nation is literally so far in debt, that it is for all practical purposes bankrupt. Not to mention what may happen in the middle east.

Everyday we face the possibility of a SHTF situation. Why not be prepared and enjoy doing it?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shit hit the fan on 9/11/01 </div></div>

Mentioned in another thread with the additional language "WITHOUT CIVIL UNREST."

Note that 9/11 was horrific, but spontaneous dis-assembly of society DID NOT occur.

The civil unrest of Katrina required something else to occur--dissatisfaction, widespread desperation, inability to locate resources, or simply a lack of faith in God.

Setting aside "Red Dawn" concept, a SHTF scenario is: (a) rather common; and (b) seems misunderstood and/or marketed with hype/fear.

Much like interpersonal violence, I may never need my sidearm--but I am gonna need RIGHT NOW and REAL BAD if I do.

BMT
 
#13
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Things that have happened in my lifetime:

Local & state level:
Flood
Tornadoes & severe thunderstorms
Blizzards
Wildfires
Water shortage
Water contamination
power outages

National & International:
Hurricanes
Tornadoes/storms
floods
blizzards/ice
solar storms
wars
9/11 & other terrorism
economic problems
riots
more I can't think of...

Thankfully i've never had to live through PITA stuff like food rationing or gas rationing, but it's not impossible in the future. I have dedicated my life to attaining the knowledge to help not only myself, but others survive & thrive as best they can. As a geologist, I studied geologic hazards/disasters. After a career move, I still use that knowledge but now combine it with study of man-caused events such as terrorism.

I will admit that I surf some of those SHTF sites, but not because I believe in Myan prophetic bullshit or zombies or Nostradamus. Rather, I see a wealth of useful information (after the chaff is separated, of course) on all sorts of practical things like outdoorsmanship, saving money, first aid, do-it-yourself repairs, animal husbandry, dealing with bad water, etc. Just like I surf this site to acquire more knowledge on my favorite hobby. Same reason I surf jeep forums and diesel truck forums. It's all about acquisition of knowledge. I like to think of myself as a renaissance man, lol. Maybe it is just because I was born & raised in a small town and with more sense than cents.

I get a kick out of the "doomsday" crowd. My acquired knowledge & career path does jive with preparedness, and i'm all for it, but that doesn't mean you need to live in a missile silo and eat feral cats to conserve MRE's. I am also a Christian (yes, even after being a scientist) and so I guess that I just don't worry to much about the biblical-scale stuff. As much as I would like to see LA end up as some sort of dystopian-Bill Hicks-Arizona Bay, that sort of thing isn't on the human scale of control, so why fret over it. I prefer to busy myself with things I can control, like making sure I can feed myself & not freeze during a blizzard when travel is impossible and the power goes out. I am not worried what i'll do if Yellowstone erupts or an asteroid hits us, because it probably will kill me and everyone else. I am more concerned about things that might actually involve me in the future: responding to a terrorist attack, economics, etc.
YMMV.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why are you shooting stray dogs? A cat may go feral in a couple of weeks. Domestic dogs mostly just die or look for a new home</div></div>

I'm not into SHTF senarios but dogs, even domestic dogs are a problem. They run in packs and attack live stock. I almost lost one of my granddaughters horses when they were hamstrung by a pack of domestic dogs, not wild dogs.

I live a mile from the highway, Our mail boxes are on the highway, a group of four or five dogs wouldnt let my wife out of the car when she tried to get the mail.

I notified the Sheriff and the owner of the dogs. I catch at the mail boxes or on my property they get hung up of a fence post for the owner to collect.

(This is legal in Wyoming. Dogs chasing game or live stock can be shot on site).

As for as the rest of the desasters mentioned. I have two generators wood stove that will take care of the most of it. There are enough critters around here I can hunt (legally) and eat.

Yes farrel cats are a problem too, they kill chickens, and run the spring turkey crop.
 
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We live in interesting times. Commies and their ilk are openly talking trouble today in our Country. We have an extremely open society and let many people in that hate us and our way of life. Think Breslan or Mumbai could happen here? How bout an EMP or just a succesful attack on the power grid over a large area. We are extremely dependent on electricity. If it stops, the gas pumps and ATMS stop working. No gas, no restocking the groceries. 3 day supply runs out a local grocery stores then what? Do the water pumps and sewage plants still work? How many of us actual take it seriously to have a radio w/ batteries on hand? No power might mean no news. In many communities gangs of dirtbag thugs would love an excuse to riot/rampage. There are numerous ways that local chaos could reign (earthquake, flood, fire, organized anarchy, organized commies, terrorists, economic strife, general lawlessness etc) Something to take seriously these days.
 
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As a Zimbabwean and lived through the greatest national colapse seen in any country since the great depression...
a) you need enough to get through the first month
b) the biggest cause of panic is when you cannot buy fuel- the man with 55 gal drum squirreled away lives without the panic than enguls others
c) When water and power go off, people make a plan, particularly if the initial outages are intermittant. Our water supply declined over about two years and there has been no municipal water for 7 years now. electricity is on for 4-5 hrs a day at most, but had time to sink a well, buy a decent generator, put a water solar heater on the roof etc

There are also alot of interesting stories comming out of westerners that were stuck in Egypt during the troubles...
 
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My family moved to Newark NJ in 1958, and I was the last one to move out 33 years later.

It's kinda hard to separate it all out into individual events, it all sorta blends together in the memory this far along.

I've sat on my porch with a shotgun while the National Guard jeeps retreated from the mob going past my house, did citizen's arrests of houserobbers next door, and had to face down a youth gang all by myself one night while my Wife was put on hold on 911.

I could step out the front door and see the WTC (when there still <span style="font-style: italic">was</span> a WTC...) off in the distance, and you could usually catch the sound of sirens any time of the day or night.

Plain life is weird enough by itself.

Now I live in a small village with 1 traffic light and about 1600 town/farm folk. The neighbors are real nice, but they tend to run a little heavy one the naivete. Pardon me if I hesitate to enlighten them...

...Oh, and I made <span style="font-style: italic">DANG</span> sure the rest of my family lives within walking distance...

Fancy that...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Patriot Prepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Being prepared is like life insurance. You might have it but hope you never have to use it. </div></div>

Uh, not sure I agree with the logic of that one. If you have it, you are GUARANTEED you're gonna use it. You can shit in one hand and hope in the other on that issue and see how it turns out for ya.

The human body can survive the length of any reasonable SHTF scenario timeframe without food, water, sleep, or heat. All it takes is meth. This is the most compact and long life drug available. You can put the two week's supply in a little MOLLE pouch on your SHTF rack, take a hit from time to time, and be fine.
 
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I can tell on Sept. 11, in the dark and dust.

All the "civilization" of NYC... disappeared.

You wouldn't believe how helpless and dangerous people become when you turn the electricity off.....

No water pumps to or from your location (thristy while wading through flooding)

No lights and flashlights less inspiring in the dust

No comms... cell towers down from the disaster or from volume
Tremendous misinformation....

No guns... NYC laws made that a lovely reality

In my mind, you want to plan for a real possible disaster.

Imagine the entire electrical grid going down for your region of the country....

That's the one we are all going to see again and again
 
#22
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Odd, a good friend of mine was in Tower 2 and when it was all over all she had was a pack of smokes, her lighter and an elevator pass card to her name.

No money
No credit card
No picture ID
No way off the Island
No way to call her folks and let them know she was alive.

Cell service was hosed and she had no place to go but walk back to her hotel. Fortunately the hotel was understanding, eventually people were allowed to leave the Island and she came back by train, air travel was hosed.

NYC, a place I cant abide in the least, didnt fall apart but pulled together! I have no use for the place but the PEOPLE showed us what good can come from so horrid an act. I know its fun to attack those big city fools, but on 9-11 they showed us all what decency could be.

Oh she later returned to Manhatten and works in yet another skyscraper. I did ask her just how big was that hunk of concrete that hit her head, obviously it did affect her.
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#23
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unless i missed it no one mentioned the infamous north hollywood bank robbery in 97.

if just one citizen or patrolman had a rifle like ....any of ours, the incident could have been ended very quickly.

note that i am not encouraging vigilanties, im just sayin.....
 
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Katrina was a huge pita, my family lives 50 miles north, I was living in Baton Rouge, going to LSU at the time. I went home to secure our camp and help my family get ready. we lost 3 boats and half a shed due to a damned white oak. I live in a small town, so no decent into chaos, our neighborhood really pulled together and helped each other. everyone had adequate supplies, gas, and most importantly beer :). I spend most of the time cleaning up. i carried my glock 23 the entire time, kept my ptr91 in the truck. the biggest pain was LSU went back into secession very soon after the hurricane went through. my family was without power for 3 weeks. the apartment complex I was living in at the time lost power for 3 hours total
 
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I remember one day while I was walking home from school I noticed the sky was hazy and the smell of burning wood hung in the air. As I walked on I realized the smell and smoke was coming from the city center. Rioting had broken out in Los Angeles the night before over the Rodeny King trial and I assumed it had spread. When I got home the news had confirmed my suspicions, the rioting had spread and had gotten closer. I went around the house making sure everything was locked, I loaded my father's AR-15 and waited for the rest of the family to show up. When they did we made sure we had all we needed as far as food and water goes and prepared the car in case we had to leave. The shittiest part of it all was my father, a hospital administrator, was called into work. His hospital was located in West L.A., very close to all the BS. He took a backpack with some supplies with him and drove to work with his 1911 sitting underneath a newspaper on the passenger seat. My brother and I took turns in the living room keeping watch with the AR while my mother watched the news and talked to relatives. My father could not leave the hospital but kept in contact by calling every couple of hours. In the end everything turned out alright. If there is one thing I learned from the experience it is the importance of keeping calm. My parents, having lived through some interesting times, exuded calm. I realize this isn't something you can stock on the shelves but I would say it is as important as the beans and bullets.
 
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One time a giant chunk of ice fell off a 5 story overhang and smashed right where I had been standing half a second earlier. I think a little bit of pee seeped into my man-panties on that one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cinosbus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> why are you shooting stray dogs? </div></div>

Like Kraig said, because stray dogs, kill livestock, have no respect for humans (ie not scared of them like coyotes or wolves). They can be dangerous, and are a general nussiance. I have no problem shooting stray dogs, I have had to shoot horses because some fuckwad from town, moved out to where I lived, let fido run loose. Fido got into some of my horses that were turned out, ran a mare through the fence when it was 105f. Found her 2days later, no water for that time and cut all to hell. Had to shoot her. I see your stray cur on/near my livestock im sending it to hell with 175gr smk pushed with 44.3grs of varget, and I will sleep like a baby that night.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why are you shooting stray dogs?</div></div>

There are even "sniper call outs for stray dogs"

I was called out to get a stray german shephard that had bit a kid. Animal control had been trying to catch or get close for a couple days, finely the Doctor said if the dog wasn't caught and examined by midnight the kid was going to have to go through the rabies series of shots.

Just before dark on the last day the Patrol Lt. called me on the radio and told me to go get the dog, I did, kid didn't have to get the shots.

I'm a dog lover, but there are reasons they have to be shot.
 
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Their are us that know and those that will.. I was involved with Disaster Recovery for 5 1/2 years. Been involved with every major Hurricane since Dennis.. A walk in the park...

Went in the day after Katrina that's when and where my life changed forever!! All I can say is just know you and your's ARE the only ones you can truly count on when the SHTF.. And if your NOT prepared I'm sorry your just a dumb ass!


Dustin
 
#32
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I live in the desert, about 4k elevation. Since I am only 60+ miles from Vegas, its reaonable to say that if society breaks down, this is one stop on your way out of town, but its spread so wide that there is no "one stop pop". Its a more rural setting, and the mountains are a few miles away.

Should people choose to flee vegas, the most probable routes are Cali, Utah and AZ. Closed and congested roads can force people to come through here, and that may lead to issues. We have our own power plant, most people have wells and septic systems here.

There are too many possibilities that could lead to SHTF scenarios here. You have Creech, Nellis and Mercury all within the area that offer strik points in the event of a coordinated militart attack. Las Vegas offers civillian targets in a terrorist attack, with McCarran Airport as another target. I feel that I am far enough off the beaten path that I am in no immediate danger of marauders or riots. Locals may be an issue though. If Vegas and the bases get nuked, prevailing winds wont bring much, if anything, this way.

No sense in making a plan that goes in one direction, and have real events take you in another. Have food, and water available, and a plan to defend what you have. Be ready to roll with the dice since none of us really know what will happen.

BTW, I was doing outside contract work in Terminal C at Newark International Airport on 9/11. No one expected it. No one knows where they are going to be, or what they will be doing. I was 22 when that happened. Never owned a firearm, thought about SHTF, or what would happen. Lets say this happened now, same situation, but I am still an hour from home, where all my stuff is. I dont think my day would be any diffrent now, than it was then.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dustin U</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Their are us that know and those that will.. I was involved with Disaster Recovery for 5 1/2 years. Been involved with every major Hurricane since Dennis.. A walk in the park...
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Dustin </div></div>
You mean Dennis the NON-menace in SW Florida in 1981 or whatever?

That one, in the Ft. Meyers area, was hardly stronger in wind than the really big overnight wind storms in the LV valley every 3-5 years...just with some rain added.

That was my one and only hurricane. Left the single-wide and half-acre lot and weathered it out at the local YMCA building for a few hours.

Back on-topic, I firmly believe that every thinking soul should have both a bug-out plan and a shelter in place plan, with specific details thought out for variations based on fire, flood, earthquake and insurrection. And change residence to a NON-entitlement mentality locale as soon as possible if you are among "those types" of people. I'm sure that the NYC portion of 9/11 would have played out much differently if it had happened in downtown DC, Detroit,
Chicago or or maybe downtown Dallas, with power outage and transportation shutdowns of equal magnitude.

For the most part, our American (and not uniquely U.S.!) tradition of cooperation in the face of disaster remains largely intact.
 
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I dunno I've always made fun of the office dudes that gotta get an AR and 80 mags loaded with wolf and NCStar laser scopes....in my neck of the woods we've had hurricanes and freak snow storms, but we haven't had anything that requires a fallback position....having a small stockpile of non perishables, water, heat/cooking fuel and gear to defend your home with, 9 times out of 10 will be more than enough...if you feel the need to bug out to the mountains please tell me and i'll be by shortly to acquire all the items you've left behind
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dustin U</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Their are us that know and those that will.. I was involved with Disaster Recovery for 5 1/2 years. Been involved with every major Hurricane since Dennis.. A walk in the park...
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Dustin </div></div>
You mean Dennis the NON-menace in SW Florida in 1981 or whatever?

That one, in the Ft. Meyers area, was hardly stronger in wind than the really big overnight wind storms in the LV valley every 3-5 years...just with some rain added.

That was my one and only hurricane. Left the single-wide and half-acre lot and weathered it out at the local YMCA building for a few hours.

<span style="font-style: italic">snip</span></div></div>
I think he means this Dennis in 2005: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dennis
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2005atlan.shtml

$2.23 billion in US damage, Cat 3 US landfall, dozens killed directly by the storm across the Caribbean and its name being retired isn't a slouch of a storm.
 
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Well, I saw a van parked at Wawa (SE PA regional Convenience Store chain) and another one driving on the turnpike saying that Judgement Day is May 21, 2011. So I guess we have one right around the corner.

Another thought did cross my mind at the same time though... if I knew that the end of the world was imminent, I believe I would be spending my time elsewhere than driving around with a banner plastered to my car.

Tick
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheTick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I saw a van parked at Wawa (SE PA regional Convenience Store chain) and another one driving on the turnpike saying that Judgement Day is May 21, 2011. So I guess we have one right around the corner.

Another thought did cross my mind at the same time though... if I knew that the end of the world was imminent, I believe I would be spending my time elsewhere than driving around with a banner plastered to my car.

Tick </div></div>

Well, y'all know we missed the Rapture in 1980, right?

Full-page ads in the Orlando paper that year from some preacher who thought he could count "times, a time, and half a time" from the Book of Daniel better than the dozen or so who had tried before him.

Me, I don't believe in a "pre-tribulation" Rapture. We're all in it for the long haul.

Judgment day is the day YOU die, for Paradise/Prison assignments, then the final one is 1K years AFTER you-know-who returns to establish a legitimate theocracy based on...get this...love! Cling not too tightly to your current notions, lest you be a bit disappointed when either day arrives.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Then, of course, how do I justify 40 dead dogs in my front yard when the LEOs finally restore order?

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You mean you don't own a shovel? </div></div>

if an angry pitbull was rushing me the last thing i want is a .22lr i read a story about an officer that hit a rushing pitt in the heart with a .357 and it ran for a mile before dying.. there like fast miniature bears.
 
#42
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kentactic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Then, of course, how do I justify 40 dead dogs in my front yard when the LEOs finally restore order?

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You mean you don't own a shovel? </div></div>

if an angry pitbull was rushing me the last thing i want is a .22lr i read a story about an officer that hit a rushing pitt in the heart with a .357 and it ran for a mile before dying.. there like fast miniature bears. </div></div>

But a dry chemical fire extinguisher will turn them around in a hurry and soil themselves. Plus, when the hungry mob attacks and lay siege on your stock pile of food and arms it’s good to have a few around to staunch the flames.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kentactic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i read a story about an officer that hit a rushing pitt in the heart with a .357 and it ran for a mile before dying.. there like fast miniature bears. </div></div>

You believe everything you read?

Funny... anytime there's a "SHTF" thread anywhere on the internet, those who don't know the difference between <span style="font-style: italic">there, their,</span> and <span style="font-style: italic">they're</span> show up in huge numbers. Paranoia and illiteracy seem to go hand-in-hand.

There hasn't been true a "SHTF" on a national level in the USA. Even Katrina and 9/11 could be avoided by a relatively short car ride. There has never been a "run to the hills" scenario, because you can just drive to the next city, county, state, etc. where it's business as usual. Yes, I have canned food, ammo, and fuel stored up because I'm no idiot. But I know anything short of an all-out nuclear war won't affect me.
 
#45
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Maybe not National, but I would think that Columbus New Mexico in 1916 was a case of "SHTF".

Of course it was a bit before my time.
 
#46
Re: How Many actual SHTF scenarrios in your lifetime?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bmt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Then, of course, how do I justify 40 dead dogs in my front yard when the LEOs finally restore order?

BMT
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Meat Pies</span></span>.
"Puppies are best." From my Native-American shift partner, Clark P.)
"Kaws are the best-looking Indians on Earth." Clark P. Guide to Native Americans-1989
"Osages have big heads." Clark P. Guide to Native Americans-1989
"Pawnees and Crows are traitors. They were scouts for Custer." to the two Pawnee girls in the booking room. Clark P.-1985
"My heroes have always killed cowboys." Clark P. tee-shirt with pics of Geronimo, Sitting Bull at midnight shift change-1986
"I'm from the Eagle Clan of the Kaw tribe. Bob is from the Bear Clan of the Osage tribe. What clan are you, White boy?" "Ku Klux" (sound of brakes locking up.....)
 
#47
Re: How Many actual SHTF scenarrios in your lifetime?

The more I think about it, SHTF is more of a subjective event than an objective one. I guess it depends on how much S you have to lose and what you consider HTF.

All I know is that when you think it's happening, you should thank God that you have been granted the time to think.
 
#48
Re: How Many actual SHTF scenarrios in your lifetime?

better focus on being either self sufficent or start honing your pillaging skills to take advantage of those that didnt.


There are no ethics in survival lol
 
#49
Re: How Many actual SHTF scenarrios in your lifetime?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpmuscle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">better focus on being either self sufficent or start honing your pillaging skills to take advantage of those that didnt.
There are no ethics in survival lol </div></div>

The bulk of those in this country don't have a clue, nor will they ever get one. It's best for those that believe it can't happen here, to keep that train of thought. There has never been a SHTF event in this country yet. A true SHTF event will encompass every state, not just parts of one or three. Every address can have consequences, when you chose to live there you agreed to them, conscious or otherwise. But when that addy catchs a wave, wind, fire or whatever that, maybe a SHTF event for you, but again you chose to live there. So shut up and deal with your problem.

NOLA was not a SHTF event, they had plenty of warning, an chose to stay. Those that say they had no warning, my reply, when you live below sea level it's best to be able to think for yourself. If you live in the middle of a cluster Fuck in normal times hows it going to play out when the power, food, fuel or water is gone for months. Bet you take a second glance at that "Stock" of supplies you don't have storied away right now.
Japan, almost, but no cigar. They learned a very important lesson though. You don't build Nuke plants on Ocean front property, in a fault zone. Or build your home an city's where the View is more "outstanding" than the big wave when it comes.
To get something you have to give up something, or at least have a clue as to what might happen where you live,... then again maybe not.
There are those in this country that are prepared, for a true SHTF event. If or when it comes hard choices will have to be made, an all the day dreaming, game playing, an chest beating up to that point, will have been for not. No one can insure you or your family's safety, and when it all goes to shit, are you able to stand on your own two feet, if it happened right now. My guess is not,...
 
#50
Re: How Many actual SHTF scenarrios in your lifetime?

It's funny how things impact different people differnt ways.

When those who live in the city have a 6-hour power outage, they think it's a crisis. When I loose power, I light a candle, turn on the battery powered radio, and throw another log in the wood burner.

When the news reports a big snow storm is going to hit, people mob the supermarket buying all the milk, bread, etc. that's on the shelves. I say to myself, I hope it's the perfect storm and look forward to riding my snowmobile the next day.

There are way too many people in todays world that don't prepare, will panic, and can't survive any length of time outside their comfort zone.
 
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