How to stop the smash and grab epidemic.

[Maggot]

He just needs to sharpen his aim.

ewelry store clerk opens fire on smash-and-grab thieves​

KTLA
https://ktla.com › news › local-news › smash-and-grab...



18 hours ago — A group of smash-and-grab thieves who hit a jewelry store in Manhattan Beach were sent running for their lives when an employee pulled out a ...

 

[AngryKoala]

Or ship the main perpetrators off to Ukraine or Israel..13%ers gone, Ukraine/Israel get more troops fodder. Win win.

 

[Father O’blivion]

There should be some civil immunities for store owners/clerk/homeowners for defending their stuff. I’m not sure there is.

 

[Ronws]

Note to self - If I ever open a jewelry store, make sure to put work boots and Father's Day cards in the front window. It's like kryptonite.

 

[Expert684]

Note to self - If I ever open a jewelry store, make sure to put work boots and Father's Day cards in the front window. It's like kryptonite.

You forgot job application!

 

[Devildog]

 

[Maggot]

View attachment 8246129

Lightweight.

 

[Maser]

 

[NoDopes]

In Texas you can kill them after dark. If... You don't think you'll get your property back.

 

[Maxduty]

You don't need a lot of fire power. Just locking bullet and smash proof doors. Lock them in and shoot the fish in a barrel. A good dealer will throw them in the dumpster and have a clean up crew so they can be back open in a few minutes.

 

[Dunraven]

You don't need a lot of fire power. Just locking bullet and smash proof doors. Lock them in and shoot the fish in a barrel. A good dealer will throw them in the dumpster and have a clean up crew so they can be back open in a few minutes.

Take care of business, then call in the John Wick cleanup crew.

Fascinating, but not surprising, that msm and the powers-that-be, all refer to the 'crime surge', but are apparently afraid to tell the truth and call it the black crime surge.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I didn't know that there's Amish people in the LA area. Whoda thunk?

 

[Winningdog]

Or ship the main perpetrators off to Ukraine or Israel..13%ers gone, Ukraine/Israel get more troops fodder. Win win.

There's enough thieves in Ukraine now, send them home to their mother land.

 

[Charger442]

In Texas you can kill them after dark. If... You don't think you'll get your property back.

you can kill them anytime in Texas in direct persuit to recover your property.


you can kill vandals at night, but not during the day/.

 

[Baron23]

Manhattan Beach, CA? Bet those fuckers charge the store employee with a gun charge and maybe even assault/attempted manslaughter. This is, after all, the land of Gascon the fucking putz.

 

[NoDopes]

you can kill them anytime in Texas in direct persuit to recover your property.


you can kill vandals at night, but not during the day/.

I need to reread that statute.. I thought even stolen property was night only.

Edit: this agrees as well.

TEXAS LAW ON USING DEADLY FORCE TO DEFEND PROPERTY
We must look at the law to answer the question, “Can I use deadly force to protect property?”. Texas Penal Code Section 9.421 states a person can use deadly force to protect tangible, movable property from another’s imminent commission of theft during the nighttime or to prevent another who is fleeing immediately after committing theft during the nighttime and is escaping with property if the person reasonably believes the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or that a use of force other than deadly force to recover the property would expose them to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Can I Use Deadly Force To Protect Property

What is the Texas law on defense of property? Learn the answer to the question: can I use deadly force to protect property

www.walkertaylorlaw.com

Unfortunately for most criminals, they tend to operate at night.

 

[quietmike]

How to stop it.



Make their mother watch it, then do the same to her for being such a complete failure as a parent.

 

[Charger442]

I need to reread that statute.. I thought even stolen property was night only.

Edit: this agrees as well.

Can I Use Deadly Force To Protect Property

What is the Texas law on defense of property? Learn the answer to the question: can I use deadly force to protect property

www.walkertaylorlaw.com

Unfortunately for most criminals, they tend to operate at night.

damnit, that has changed since i first learned to carry.

 

[AZLong]

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Learned a new technique at a conference this AM! Body dispersion. Being widely used by Russian Spetznaz.

Dig shallow pit. Place explosives ranging from Semtex to anti tank mine. Anything works in a pinch. Place body on top.

Detonate.

The paste disappears with the next rain or dries up and blows away.

Sirhr

 

[Ronws]

damnit, that has changed since i first learned to carry.

Same here. Back in the 80s when I was carrying and had a state commission to carry a firearm on duty, you could use deadly force in defense of life, property, and assets at any ole' time of the day or night. There was a locally important story then, along I-30 east of Dallas.

A guy's car was being repossessed and he shot and killed the tow truck driver as a thief, which was also rampant. Thieves would get a tow truck and some fake paperwork.

The jury no-billed him.

 

[NoDopes]

Well, there's jury nullification too. For those day-time thieves. Not that it's advisable unless it's my car.. then, I'm dumping.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Lethal force should be authorized for theft, assault, or being part of a Mob.

Just like it was 100 years ago. Steal a horse you get hung. Try to rob someone and you get shot, good riddance.

We have gotten way to soft and have allowed criminals to run roughshod.

Criminals should be more afraid of the populace than any prison or LE.

 

[theLBC]

seems like nobody got capped, but yeah, dropping scumbag thieves on the regular would probably make some think twice.

 

[JoshPutman]

 

[E. Bryant]

Learned a new technique at a conference this AM! Body dispersion. Being widely used by Russian Spetznaz.

Dig shallow pit. Place explosives ranging from Semtex to anti tank mine. Anything works in a pinch. Place body on top.

Detonate.

The paste disappears with the next rain or dries up and blows away.

Sirhr

The newsletter "tech tips" in my career field aren't nearly as entertaining.

 

[BugIn762]

"Horseshoes should be removed".

Ya gotta love it.

 

[Fx51LP308]

Sadly, we in Florida are not allowed to use deadly force (or "threat of") to defend property, period. We can only use it for defending a person/persons. I wish we were able to do that. Because it's obvious that it's the only thing that will get criminals' attention these days.

I also want it to be able to defend family pets/animals. Can't right now, as pets are considered "property." The only thing I can do there is stand in front of my pet. At that point, it's the criminal against me (a person), not my pet.

 

[MadDuner]

I think everyone should own their own backhoe....

 

[sirhrmechanic]

View attachment 8247642

The newsletter "tech tips" in my career field aren't nearly as entertaining.

 

[calling4life]

I think everyone should own their own backhoe....

Cremator/incinerator would seem best wouldn't it, perhaps something like this would work? Not my field so maybe not...

 

[oneshot86]

Sadly, we in Florida are not allowed to use deadly force (or "threat of") to defend property, period. We can only use it for defending a person/persons. I wish we were able to do that. Because it's obvious that it's the only thing that will get criminals' attention these days.

I also want it to be able to defend family pets/animals. Can't right now, as pets are considered "property." The only thing I can do there is stand in front of my pet. At that point, it's the criminal against me (a person), not my pet.

Wrong.
You need to read the 790s

 

[Mike Islander]

I need to reread that statute.. I thought even stolen property was night only.

Edit: this agrees as well.

Can I Use Deadly Force To Protect Property

What is the Texas law on defense of property? Learn the answer to the question: can I use deadly force to protect property

www.walkertaylorlaw.com

Unfortunately for most criminals, they tend to operate at night.

Literally our law. Night prowlers are fair game for...wait for it...protection of property. Love SC gun laws.

 

[Docsherm]

That is the funniest shot on the internet. My wife and I have been laughing at the for years....... all we have to say is whale...LOLOLOL

 

[Fx51LP308]

Wrong.
You need to read the 790s

Actually, you're the one who's wrong. You need to read the 776s. The 790's are about "firearms themselves" not "use of deadly force,."

Among other reasons, You are allowed to use deadly force only if you are attempting to prevent a "Forcible Felony" (armed robery being one) but only to the extent that it prevents "imminent death or great bodily harm." Therefore, if I encounter someone walking out of my house with my TV set (i.e. "Grand Larceny"), I cannot shoot them unless/until they make a direct imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to me. I can try to stop them via "non-deadly" means, but I cannot use deadly force until the BG directly threatens my person with "imminent death or great bodily harm."

 

[oneshot86]

Actually, you're the one who's wrong. You need to read the 776s. The 790's are about "firearms themselves" not "use of deadly force,."

Among other reasons, You are allowed to use deadly force only if you are attempting to prevent a "Forcible Felony" (armed robery being one) but only to the extent that it prevents "imminent death or great bodily harm." Therefore, if I encounter someone walking out of my house with my TV set (i.e. "Grand Larceny"), I cannot shoot them unless/until they make a direct imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to me. I can try to stop them via "non-deadly" means, but I cannot use deadly force until the BG directly threatens my person with "imminent death or great bodily harm."

No disrespect, but...
776.013. 2 a, and 2b should cover the use of deadly force in your senerio.

If you let the person into your home and he stole your TV, then you maybe correct, but if person stealing your tv got into your house unlawfully, he's on the shitty end of the stick.

 

[Fx51LP308]

No disrespect, but...
776.013. 2 a, and 2b should cover the use of deadly force in your senerio.

If you let the person into your home and he stole your TV, then you maybe correct, but if person stealing your tv got into your house unlawfully, he's on the shitty end of the stick.

But if that person broke into my house forcibly (with me inside), regardless of their intention, then there's a whole different crime at play... not necessarily "burglary or larceny," but "Forcible Entry" and the "Castle Doctrine" kicks in. That crime would be against my person and Castle Doctrine automatically assumes intent of "death or great bodily harm," justifying deadly force. That person, in essence, could be "neutralized" before they even get to exercise their intent to steal my TV.

That said, one still has to be careful and not "neutralize" automatically. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If, for example, that same burglar broke in but, upon seeing me armed, "stood down" and high-tailed it out of there, I could not chase after them to shoot them. And I probably shouldn't chase after them anyway for a plethora of reasons. I should be on that phone calling 911 pronto, as I'm sure the burglar or associates will be.

The first to call 911, wins.

 

[Maggot]

Actually, you're the one who's wrong. You need to read the 776s. The 790's are about "firearms themselves" not "use of deadly force,."

Among other reasons, You are allowed to use deadly force only if you are attempting to prevent a "Forcible Felony" (armed robery being one) but only to the extent that it prevents "imminent death or great bodily harm." Therefore, if I encounter someone walking out of my house with my TV set (i.e. "Grand Larceny"), I cannot shoot them unless/until they make a direct imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to me. I can try to stop them via "non-deadly" means, but I cannot use deadly force until the BG directly threatens my person with "imminent death or great bodily harm."

Is shooting them in the knee cap 'deadly force'? They wont die.

 

[Ronws]

But if that person broke into my house forcibly (with me inside), regardless of their intention, then there's a whole different crime at play... not necessarily "burglary or larceny," but "Forcible Entry" and the "Castle Doctrine" kicks in. That crime would be against my person and Castle Doctrine automatically assumes intent of "death or great bodily harm," justifying deadly force. That person, in essence, could be "neutralized" before they even get to exercise their intent to steal my TV.

That said, one still has to be careful and not "neutralize" automatically. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If, for example, that same burglar broke in but, upon seeing me armed, "stood down" and high-tailed it out of there, I could not chase after them to shoot them. And I probably shouldn't chase after them anyway for a plethora of reasons. I should be on that phone calling 911 pronto, as I'm sure the burglar or associates will be.

The first to call 911, wins.

"Kill them all. Let God sort them out."

 

[Fx51LP308]

Is shooting them in the knee cap 'deadly force'? They wont die.

Still, it is deadly force, regardless of whether or not the person dies. And, even worse, the BG is still alive to call 911 on you and get you into real deep schiznit!

 

[AZLong]

No disrespect, but...
776.013. 2 a, and 2b should cover the use of deadly force in your senerio.

If you let the person into your home and he stole your TV, then you maybe correct, but if person stealing your tv got into your house unlawfully, he's on the shitty end of the stick.

Only if he is still in your house, and it does not require theft or attempt. Attempting to defend deadly force after the perp is leaving will prove impossible. It would similarly be difficult to prove if you saw someone breaking into your (currently unoccupied) home if you were outside. And it does not apply to anything outside of your house including your car. So it really is not a "property defense", it is self-defense in your home.

 

[Ronws]

Guys, guys! It's easy. Get a dig test to find out where you gas lines are so that you do not hit them. Then have an excavator on hand.

 

[Maggot]

The way I see it and this is not puff, if you kick my door or window in and enter my home, anytime, I'm going to be scared and in fear for my life.. Thats not just legalize, I dont know you, I dont know why your there, if you even twitch in my direction Im going to assume it agressive. I'm old, cant run and cant fight. Fuck the television, Im protecting my life.

 

[mikeshaw2]

My first thought reading the title of the thread was 'claymores.'

THAT'D fix the problem!

M

 

[Maggot]

My first thought reading the title of the thread was 'claymores.'

THAT'D fix the problem!

M

A big cobra or krait in every jewelry case

Or a crate of hungry wolves that can open with the push of a button.

Mom always said I dont play well with others.

 

[Fx51LP308]

The way I see it and this is not puff, if you kick my door or window in and enter my home, anytime, I'm going to be scared and in fear for my life.. Thats not just legalize, I dont know you, I dont know why your there, if you even twitch in my direction Im going to assume it agressive. I'm old, cant run and cant fight. Fuck the television, Im protecting my life.

And the "Castle Doctrine" would aggree with you, if you're inside when it happens.

 

[Ronws]

Uncle Ted said it best. (I got to meet him once and get his autograph on "God, Guns, and Rock and Roll" and "Kill It and Grill it!" I have always been a fan of his music. I play guitar and sing. And whenever I got a new amp or special effects modeler, I would immediately tweak parameters to get that sound from "Cat Scratch Fever.")

 

[Zolar]

 

[Ronws]

View attachment 8248260

Hooraw!