Re: Hush puppy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How to say this and keep us all on a positive path here?
9mm cans on automatics are anything other than a "non-functional part of the gun" good ones most certainly do have moving parts. Those moving parts, in many exellent designs will most certainly need to be user serviced, they will need to be cleaned, lubed and in many instances springs will need to be eventually replaced. </div></div>
Other than the decoupler (which I mentioned above) what moving parts are there on a pistol can (the OP's area of interest) ?
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Lethality can most certainly be effected by a suppressor. Some suppressors effect velocity to the point where not only is distance obtainable and POI shift effected but penetration is as well. In manner instances a reduction in penetration equates a significant change in lethality.</div></div>
As I said above, I'm not an assassin, and won't be using my suppressor on any Special Ops missions anytime soon, so "lethality" is irrelevant in my application.
Suppressors only affect on velocity is known as "free bore boost," and amounts to maybe between 20 and 40 fps. Negligible. No measurable affect on penetration. Or "lethality."
Check all the manufactuers website. NONE make any claims on the comparative "lethality" of their suppressors. Its a non-factor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suppression is certainly "in the ear of the beholder" but one must look at sound reduction throughout the heating cycle, first round pop, throughout the servieable life, when running wet or dry. It is not 10 people making up their mind about it, but rather a great suppressor is tested in many different scenarios before making a decision.</div></div>
All of those factors are important - AND will be PERCEIEVED 8 different ways by 10 pairs of ears.
I am AGREEING with you here, recommending the OP go HEAR the can for themselves - rather than beleive what other people say is quiet - or heaven forbid - pay John Titsworth for his data.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Accuracy can be effected and is, in many brands, effected on pistols. Anybody that buys a suppressor that has POI shift of 4" at 100 yards for a precision rifle can has some explaining to do. For pistols it is much more important as the effects of parasitic baffle drag, expansion chamber disreuption, symetric or asymetric baffle design all come into play and can make a big difference in not only accuracy, but also sound suppression, heat retention, powder waste removal (either manually or through blow out) and service life.</div></div>
I gave the 4" at 100 yards as a max, to show that the max PoI shift will be 1" at 25 yards, which in a pistol is irrelevant for ALL but match target pistol shooters - and suppressors aren't allowed in those matches anyway.
PoI shift on a pistol can (the OP's stated area of interest) is so negligible as to be irrelevant.
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As to "barrel harmonics," on a pistol harmonics can be crucially effected by a suppressor. Muzzle suppressor less so, but barrel harmonics are greatly suppressed and accuracy palpably improved when proper torque in a integral designed suppressor barrel is used. </div></div>
Youare making things more complicated than neccessary. Pistols barrels are short, and therefore more rigid than rifle barrels. Sure, harmonics play in but at a max of 1" at 25 yards. With a pistol, it would be near IMPOSSIBLE to tell if that shift was due to shooter error, or PoI shift caused by a suppressor.
And the ONLY folks that would care would be amtcha target shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> POI shift is rarely effected by threading misalignments</div></div>
That's simply false.
PoI shift is caused (most prominently in rifles) by (1) the affect of the cans weight on harmnics, and (2) by the unequal pressure forces of expanding gasses inside the suppressor due to non-concentric barrel threading.
I'm not making this stuff up. I'm providing the data given to me over on silencertalk.com by the manufacturers themselves and some of the most knowledgeable users in the world.
light weight, high capacity and a small package with stone reliability (I gotta admit I'm partial to an alloy frame overplastic, SA over DA but these aren't deal breakers).
