Has anyone bought a Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope or got the chance to shoot with one and test it? I'm curious if it's worth the money or if it'd be better to go with like a Nightforce scope.
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Rifle Scopes Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
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Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
Buy a Nightforce and forget about that Huskemaw crap....seriously
Buy a Nightforce and forget about that Huskemaw crap....seriously
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
Have you used or tried out a Huskemaw scope before?
Have you used or tried out a Huskemaw scope before?
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy a Nightforce and forget about that Huskemaw crap....seriously </div></div>
What he said!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy a Nightforce and forget about that Huskemaw crap....seriously </div></div>
What he said!
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
Your going to find there is not a lot of Love for bullet drop compensating scopes here, ACOG work ok for there intended use, but in the world of precision rifle shooting they simply don't work, buy a Nightforce, buy one with knobs that match the reticle, and learn how Density Altitude effects bullet drop and how to compensate come ups and holds for DA changes, Huskemaw is a lazy hunter wet dream of uselessness.
Your going to find there is not a lot of Love for bullet drop compensating scopes here, ACOG work ok for there intended use, but in the world of precision rifle shooting they simply don't work, buy a Nightforce, buy one with knobs that match the reticle, and learn how Density Altitude effects bullet drop and how to compensate come ups and holds for DA changes, Huskemaw is a lazy hunter wet dream of uselessness.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I disagree with much of the advice given here, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around here and its tuff to see the value in alternative ideas unless they come through certain channels. there is a disdain for BDC turrets around here, why I don't know as the marines used a BDC turret setup on their unertls for years must have worked for them. if you look at ballistics you will find that until 600 yards even fairly larger variations in conditions your BDC turret should be too close to make a difference. beyond that one can add or take away clicks depending on the temperture, altitude etc. this is exactly how the veneer adjusted worked on the unertls. only your doing it manually by adjusting from your marked BDC reference. for instance I have my BDC set for 3200 fps, but I backed my load off to 3130 fps, to 600yards I set my BDC turret to the marked range. at 700 yards I add in 1 click at 800 yards I had 2 extra clicks, at 1000 yards I think I need like 4 extra clicks or 1 moa extra. unless you have a drop chart printed out for your exact condition your shooting in your going to have to deviate from the drop chart anyways, why not also deviate from the marked yardage from your BDC, the marines did it for years!!!
something else useful about the huskemaw is its 1 moa marked wind hold offs, its one of the very few scopes that have 1 moa marked holdoffs. this is very useful for holding off for wind, and if the wind changes a tad when staging for the shot it can be adjusted on the fly on via the turret and coming off the scope.
bottom like I really like the huskey scope and its features, graybull precision has a similar scope based on a leupold. but you WILL NOT find any love for any of those types of systems around here. that doesn't make them bad or inferior though. BUT a nightforce still probably might make more sense if you factor in resale and maybe durability. it really just depends on what you want the gun to do. the husky system is not doubt geared toward hunting. but sniping is really hunting too. I think the husky system is alot faster at making a shot. with most tactical systems speed isn't so much important nor is portability
I disagree with much of the advice given here, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around here and its tuff to see the value in alternative ideas unless they come through certain channels. there is a disdain for BDC turrets around here, why I don't know as the marines used a BDC turret setup on their unertls for years must have worked for them. if you look at ballistics you will find that until 600 yards even fairly larger variations in conditions your BDC turret should be too close to make a difference. beyond that one can add or take away clicks depending on the temperture, altitude etc. this is exactly how the veneer adjusted worked on the unertls. only your doing it manually by adjusting from your marked BDC reference. for instance I have my BDC set for 3200 fps, but I backed my load off to 3130 fps, to 600yards I set my BDC turret to the marked range. at 700 yards I add in 1 click at 800 yards I had 2 extra clicks, at 1000 yards I think I need like 4 extra clicks or 1 moa extra. unless you have a drop chart printed out for your exact condition your shooting in your going to have to deviate from the drop chart anyways, why not also deviate from the marked yardage from your BDC, the marines did it for years!!!
something else useful about the huskemaw is its 1 moa marked wind hold offs, its one of the very few scopes that have 1 moa marked holdoffs. this is very useful for holding off for wind, and if the wind changes a tad when staging for the shot it can be adjusted on the fly on via the turret and coming off the scope.
bottom like I really like the huskey scope and its features, graybull precision has a similar scope based on a leupold. but you WILL NOT find any love for any of those types of systems around here. that doesn't make them bad or inferior though. BUT a nightforce still probably might make more sense if you factor in resale and maybe durability. it really just depends on what you want the gun to do. the husky system is not doubt geared toward hunting. but sniping is really hunting too. I think the husky system is alot faster at making a shot. with most tactical systems speed isn't so much important nor is portability
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I would try a search using the google search engine on here. Easiest way to get your quesitions answered without rehashing things.
I would try a search using the google search engine on here. Easiest way to get your quesitions answered without rehashing things.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
huskemaw didn't really stack up optically when i tried them, i personally don't know about the durability of huskemaw scopes, i don't own them. but you can get the same there with any scope, just call kenton industries and get a custom ballistic turret made. for the price, you can do better.
huskemaw didn't really stack up optically when i tried them, i personally don't know about the durability of huskemaw scopes, i don't own them. but you can get the same there with any scope, just call kenton industries and get a custom ballistic turret made. for the price, you can do better.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
Fuck all the haters here and elsewhere, Huskemaw optics turn ANY rifle and ANY shooter into a long-range marksman, allowing ANYONE with a Huskemaw scope to make long-range shots on game. Hell, one need look no further than the winner's circle at the local tactical match to see that Huskemaw is the shit.
O,wait...
If you want to waste money, buy a Huskemaw, and mount it on a graybull rifle. The range crowd will think you are awesome.
Fuck all the haters here and elsewhere, Huskemaw optics turn ANY rifle and ANY shooter into a long-range marksman, allowing ANYONE with a Huskemaw scope to make long-range shots on game. Hell, one need look no further than the winner's circle at the local tactical match to see that Huskemaw is the shit.
O,wait...
If you want to waste money, buy a Huskemaw, and mount it on a graybull rifle. The range crowd will think you are awesome.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around....there is a disdain for BDC turrets around here, why I don't know as the marines used a BDC turret setup on their unertls for years must have worked for them..... why not also deviate from the marked yardage from your BDC, the marines did it for years!!!</div></div>
First, you are assuming much. Since I was one of those who were issued a Unertl 10x I can speak from experience. The system was a pain in the ass.
Anyone who has used one is now looking at your post knowing you have no idea what you are talking about.
Ask yourself why none of us who shoot matches across the country use a BDC reticle or turrets. When I pull out an FDAC or punch up my ballistic calculator it doesn't tell you "600 -1" or "1000 +2". It tells me how many mils or MOA for that range.
The fact is BDC turrets and reticles are a pain in the ass unless they are dead on. If they are dead on today, in two months or 2000 miles they won't be.
BTW, "Marines" is capitalized. It took a hell of a lot more for us to earn our name than it took for you to get yours.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around....there is a disdain for BDC turrets around here, why I don't know as the marines used a BDC turret setup on their unertls for years must have worked for them..... why not also deviate from the marked yardage from your BDC, the marines did it for years!!!</div></div>
First, you are assuming much. Since I was one of those who were issued a Unertl 10x I can speak from experience. The system was a pain in the ass.
Anyone who has used one is now looking at your post knowing you have no idea what you are talking about.
Ask yourself why none of us who shoot matches across the country use a BDC reticle or turrets. When I pull out an FDAC or punch up my ballistic calculator it doesn't tell you "600 -1" or "1000 +2". It tells me how many mils or MOA for that range.
The fact is BDC turrets and reticles are a pain in the ass unless they are dead on. If they are dead on today, in two months or 2000 miles they won't be.
BTW, "Marines" is capitalized. It took a hell of a lot more for us to earn our name than it took for you to get yours.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact is BDC turrets and reticles are a pain in the ass unless they are dead on. If they are dead on today, in two months or 2000 miles they won't be. </div></div>
thank you for your service, but how will time or distance change the turrets zero or markings?? and just because no one uses it in a tactical match doesn't mean it should not be considered. your thinking inside the box.
it depends on what you want the rifle to do. if you need to range a target and take a quick shot before it moves away (in a hunting situation) nothing beats a marked turret. you don't have time to whip out a drop chart much less a ballistic computer. all the BDC turret does is move your drop chart to the turret right?? the turret is your drop chart. I simply plug all my numbers into a drop chart so they correlate exactly to my marked turret. most of my long range shooting is done between 5-7000 feet, so that number stays the same. next my main concern is temperature, I just change the temp values in my new drop chart and note how they vary from the one that is identical to my marked turret. thats how I come up with +1, +2, +4, -1, in clicks etc. its actually really easy to keep that in my head once I have consulted with the chart ahead of time before I leave for my outing. the same as MARINES did with unertls.
for me this is easiest, I don't have a spotter calling out ranges or distances, drops whatever, if your system works for you use it, however I am just illustrating for certain situations how such a system COULD have an advantage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The fact is BDC turrets and reticles are a pain in the ass unless they are dead on. If they are dead on today, in two months or 2000 miles they won't be. </div></div>
thank you for your service, but how will time or distance change the turrets zero or markings?? and just because no one uses it in a tactical match doesn't mean it should not be considered. your thinking inside the box.
it depends on what you want the rifle to do. if you need to range a target and take a quick shot before it moves away (in a hunting situation) nothing beats a marked turret. you don't have time to whip out a drop chart much less a ballistic computer. all the BDC turret does is move your drop chart to the turret right?? the turret is your drop chart. I simply plug all my numbers into a drop chart so they correlate exactly to my marked turret. most of my long range shooting is done between 5-7000 feet, so that number stays the same. next my main concern is temperature, I just change the temp values in my new drop chart and note how they vary from the one that is identical to my marked turret. thats how I come up with +1, +2, +4, -1, in clicks etc. its actually really easy to keep that in my head once I have consulted with the chart ahead of time before I leave for my outing. the same as MARINES did with unertls.
for me this is easiest, I don't have a spotter calling out ranges or distances, drops whatever, if your system works for you use it, however I am just illustrating for certain situations how such a system COULD have an advantage.
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Again, as the DA changes so will the POI, get that simple term in your head and stop trying to justify BDC, smart people have already figured the hard stuff out for us to learn from there hard work.
Again, as the DA changes so will the POI, get that simple term in your head and stop trying to justify BDC, smart people have already figured the hard stuff out for us to learn from there hard work.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again, as the DA changes so will the POI, get that simple term in your head and stop trying to justify BDC, smart people have already figured the hard stuff out for us to learn from there hard work. </div></div>
didn't I just say the same thing? of course things change as DA changes. to 600 yards unless your BDC is set for 0 altitude and you move to 7000 feet its not going to make enough of a difference at that range. so lets say your BDC turret is marked within 2000ft of the DA reading, you can discount deviating from the turret until you shoot beyond 600 yards. for some people they might not even ever plan to shoot beyond that, especially if the gun is say a 223 rifle. the guy asked about the scope, is it suitable for all applications, no, but it does work well in certain ones.
either way when the distances start adding up, so do the variables, they must be compensated for either way if your using drop charts or BDC turrets.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again, as the DA changes so will the POI, get that simple term in your head and stop trying to justify BDC, smart people have already figured the hard stuff out for us to learn from there hard work. </div></div>
didn't I just say the same thing? of course things change as DA changes. to 600 yards unless your BDC is set for 0 altitude and you move to 7000 feet its not going to make enough of a difference at that range. so lets say your BDC turret is marked within 2000ft of the DA reading, you can discount deviating from the turret until you shoot beyond 600 yards. for some people they might not even ever plan to shoot beyond that, especially if the gun is say a 223 rifle. the guy asked about the scope, is it suitable for all applications, no, but it does work well in certain ones.
either way when the distances start adding up, so do the variables, they must be compensated for either way if your using drop charts or BDC turrets.
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Sorry CC, I've used a BDC and your "logic" does not match up to real world situations. If you need to make a rapid follow up shot, you use your reticle, you don't spin your knob. If you have time to spin your knob to the next range, you have time to spin it with a non-BDC knob. Any rifleman that knows his gear should have his dope memorized anyway and a rapid follow up shot will occur with use of the reticle not turning a knob.
BDC knobs will be in error and adding your "+1 +2 +4, -1" just adds more BS when all you really need to do is know your rifle and dope.
Sorry CC, I've used a BDC and your "logic" does not match up to real world situations. If you need to make a rapid follow up shot, you use your reticle, you don't spin your knob. If you have time to spin your knob to the next range, you have time to spin it with a non-BDC knob. Any rifleman that knows his gear should have his dope memorized anyway and a rapid follow up shot will occur with use of the reticle not turning a knob.
BDC knobs will be in error and adding your "+1 +2 +4, -1" just adds more BS when all you really need to do is know your rifle and dope.
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what if a guy has a reticle like a TMR in their BDC turret scope. thats what I use and yeah if a follow up shot is needed its only natural to hold off at that point. we weren't talking about second shots yet.
again I will repeat what I said, and no I am not the expert of the world or even long range shooting for that matter, its simply another method, I just pointed out its advantages. we are simply having a discussion about the huskemaw scope and how it works,personally I think the scope is overpriced. for certain guys in certain situations it does have some useful features. if you don't like the BDC turret, the scope can be used with a MOA turret and the scope does have a zero stop which is better than alot of scopes, is it a nightforce quailty ZS, heck no but it works. there isn't a scope made the covers all users and all people and all rifles it could be mounted to. a scope is rifle specific and user preferences specific. but to simply say the BDC turret is terrible for all uses and all people is being myopic. its going to work great in nearly all uses to 600ish yards. if a guy has an AR 15 and wants to connect at 425 yards, doesn't have a drop chart or even a ballistic computer. a turn of the turret will get them very close and likely right where they wanna be. if I was going to shoot beyond 1000 yards even I think, or should I say I am against using a BDC turret. way too many factors beyond that distance.
the huskemaw as designed to work from 0-800 ish yards, it can shoot further as a system but, the shooter and knowledge of equipment should well exceed that of a novice shooter.
what if a guy has a reticle like a TMR in their BDC turret scope. thats what I use and yeah if a follow up shot is needed its only natural to hold off at that point. we weren't talking about second shots yet.
again I will repeat what I said, and no I am not the expert of the world or even long range shooting for that matter, its simply another method, I just pointed out its advantages. we are simply having a discussion about the huskemaw scope and how it works,personally I think the scope is overpriced. for certain guys in certain situations it does have some useful features. if you don't like the BDC turret, the scope can be used with a MOA turret and the scope does have a zero stop which is better than alot of scopes, is it a nightforce quailty ZS, heck no but it works. there isn't a scope made the covers all users and all people and all rifles it could be mounted to. a scope is rifle specific and user preferences specific. but to simply say the BDC turret is terrible for all uses and all people is being myopic. its going to work great in nearly all uses to 600ish yards. if a guy has an AR 15 and wants to connect at 425 yards, doesn't have a drop chart or even a ballistic computer. a turn of the turret will get them very close and likely right where they wanna be. if I was going to shoot beyond 1000 yards even I think, or should I say I am against using a BDC turret. way too many factors beyond that distance.
the huskemaw as designed to work from 0-800 ish yards, it can shoot further as a system but, the shooter and knowledge of equipment should well exceed that of a novice shooter.
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All is predicated on the assumption that long range hunting is a good idea. It ain't. Most shooters suck so bad that I hesitate to call short range hunting a good idea.
Huskemaw's marketing is pure shit. BDCs work awesome so long as you don't change ANY shooting conditions, ammo, shooter, or anything else; otherwise, you have a whole turret of wrong data.
If you cannot accurately take a shot at range (because reading the wind is too much a bother, or lasing the target is too much of a waste of time), a BDc won't cure what ails ya.
The funny part of the "I am not the expert" line is that you are arguing with some experts.
Let it go, Huskemaw is shit, so what if you saw it on TV, I saw Jurassic Park, but ain't telling you there are dinosaurs.
All is predicated on the assumption that long range hunting is a good idea. It ain't. Most shooters suck so bad that I hesitate to call short range hunting a good idea.
Huskemaw's marketing is pure shit. BDCs work awesome so long as you don't change ANY shooting conditions, ammo, shooter, or anything else; otherwise, you have a whole turret of wrong data.
If you cannot accurately take a shot at range (because reading the wind is too much a bother, or lasing the target is too much of a waste of time), a BDc won't cure what ails ya.
The funny part of the "I am not the expert" line is that you are arguing with some experts.
Let it go, Huskemaw is shit, so what if you saw it on TV, I saw Jurassic Park, but ain't telling you there are dinosaurs.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
Huskemaw glass is very sub-par. Ive looked through enough to know, and smart enough to have never bought one.
BDC knobs limit the shooter to a given bullet and given DA as already suggested. Probably wouldnt matter out to 3-400 yards on big game but starts to make a big difference in accurate POI when getting out past those ranges, which is what Huskemaw markets their system for....long range.
I would suggets a better optical system with matching turrets and reticle.
Makes for a much more flexible and accurate system.
Huskemaw glass is very sub-par. Ive looked through enough to know, and smart enough to have never bought one.
BDC knobs limit the shooter to a given bullet and given DA as already suggested. Probably wouldnt matter out to 3-400 yards on big game but starts to make a big difference in accurate POI when getting out past those ranges, which is what Huskemaw markets their system for....long range.
I would suggets a better optical system with matching turrets and reticle.
Makes for a much more flexible and accurate system.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
You do and say what you want. Apparently you ARE an expert because you're taking the advice of those of us that have tried and failed and tried again to make BDC's work and saying we're being closed minded about it.
Good luck with your long range hunting using your BDC knob. I'll go back to hitting targets.
You do and say what you want. Apparently you ARE an expert because you're taking the advice of those of us that have tried and failed and tried again to make BDC's work and saying we're being closed minded about it.
Good luck with your long range hunting using your BDC knob. I'll go back to hitting targets.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
come out to one of the local matches and show us how its done.....simple
come out to one of the local matches and show us how its done.....simple
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I disagree with much of the advice given here, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around here and its tuff to see the value in alternative ideas unless they come through certain channels. there is a disdain for BDC turrets around here, why I don't know as the marines used a BDC turret setup on their unertls for years must have worked for them. if you look at ballistics you will find that until 600 yards even fairly larger variations in conditions your BDC turret should be too close to make a difference. beyond that one can add or take away clicks depending on the temperture, altitude etc. this is exactly how the veneer adjusted worked on the unertls. only your doing it manually by adjusting from your marked BDC reference. for instance I have my BDC set for 3200 fps, but I backed my load off to 3130 fps, to 600yards I set my BDC turret to the marked range. at 700 yards I add in 1 click at 800 yards I had 2 extra clicks, at 1000 yards I think I need like 4 extra clicks or 1 moa extra. unless you have a drop chart printed out for your exact condition your shooting in your going to have to deviate from the drop chart anyways, why not also deviate from the marked yardage from your BDC, the marines did it for years!!!
something else useful about the huskemaw is its 1 moa marked wind hold offs, its one of the very few scopes that have 1 moa marked holdoffs. this is very useful for holding off for wind, and if the wind changes a tad when staging for the shot it can be adjusted on the fly on via the turret and coming off the scope.
bottom like I really like the huskey scope and its features, graybull precision has a similar scope based on a leupold. but you WILL NOT find any love for any of those types of systems around here. that doesn't make them bad or inferior though. BUT a nightforce still probably might make more sense if you factor in resale and maybe durability. it really just depends on what you want the gun to do. the husky system is not doubt geared toward hunting. but sniping is really hunting too. I think the husky system is alot faster at making a shot. with most tactical systems speed isn't so much important nor is portability </div></div>
Never used A Huskewmaw so I can't comment on it but I'm totaly with you on the BDC, I've been using it a few years, its so simple to use that its not even fun anymore, no way in hell i'm going back to using a plain old turret
If your target is at 550 yards and you put your BDC to 550, the bullet wont magicaly it the target, like using any drop chart you still have to use your brain, what might deviate my bullet from it's trajectory? Mirage? Altitude difference? temperature difference? Front wind? Back wind? Even lateral wind will affect your drop. A ballistic computer might compensate for altitude and temperature difference but it sure cant help you with mirage, front, back and lateral wind drop, only experience can
Why nobody are using it in sniper comp? The day a top shooter will start using them and win with them, everyone will follow, I saw this a 1000 times in archery, rifle shooter aren't any different...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I disagree with much of the advice given here, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around here and its tuff to see the value in alternative ideas unless they come through certain channels. there is a disdain for BDC turrets around here, why I don't know as the marines used a BDC turret setup on their unertls for years must have worked for them. if you look at ballistics you will find that until 600 yards even fairly larger variations in conditions your BDC turret should be too close to make a difference. beyond that one can add or take away clicks depending on the temperture, altitude etc. this is exactly how the veneer adjusted worked on the unertls. only your doing it manually by adjusting from your marked BDC reference. for instance I have my BDC set for 3200 fps, but I backed my load off to 3130 fps, to 600yards I set my BDC turret to the marked range. at 700 yards I add in 1 click at 800 yards I had 2 extra clicks, at 1000 yards I think I need like 4 extra clicks or 1 moa extra. unless you have a drop chart printed out for your exact condition your shooting in your going to have to deviate from the drop chart anyways, why not also deviate from the marked yardage from your BDC, the marines did it for years!!!
something else useful about the huskemaw is its 1 moa marked wind hold offs, its one of the very few scopes that have 1 moa marked holdoffs. this is very useful for holding off for wind, and if the wind changes a tad when staging for the shot it can be adjusted on the fly on via the turret and coming off the scope.
bottom like I really like the huskey scope and its features, graybull precision has a similar scope based on a leupold. but you WILL NOT find any love for any of those types of systems around here. that doesn't make them bad or inferior though. BUT a nightforce still probably might make more sense if you factor in resale and maybe durability. it really just depends on what you want the gun to do. the husky system is not doubt geared toward hunting. but sniping is really hunting too. I think the husky system is alot faster at making a shot. with most tactical systems speed isn't so much important nor is portability </div></div>
Never used A Huskewmaw so I can't comment on it but I'm totaly with you on the BDC, I've been using it a few years, its so simple to use that its not even fun anymore, no way in hell i'm going back to using a plain old turret
If your target is at 550 yards and you put your BDC to 550, the bullet wont magicaly it the target, like using any drop chart you still have to use your brain, what might deviate my bullet from it's trajectory? Mirage? Altitude difference? temperature difference? Front wind? Back wind? Even lateral wind will affect your drop. A ballistic computer might compensate for altitude and temperature difference but it sure cant help you with mirage, front, back and lateral wind drop, only experience can
Why nobody are using it in sniper comp? The day a top shooter will start using them and win with them, everyone will follow, I saw this a 1000 times in archery, rifle shooter aren't any different...
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
Zeros change based on barometrics.....technically you would have to reset your zero every time the temp, DA, altitude, humidity, etc chages.... which is all day long. Some times its not enough to make a big difference some times it is a big factor. Those are the times a BDC fails. You zero your rifle at 100' and 95* then hunt at 5000' and 32*......the BDC will be off a good bit. They only work as advertised at a given barometric (when the gun is zeroed) and with a given bullet weight. If it works better below 600 yds its only because the inherent error is less magnified. Sure probably close enough for some situations but this is a precision rifle forum not a close enough rifle forum. Fact is anybody that shoots much knows their dope for close enough in an average hunting situation without a BDC. Anything even approaching long range hunting to me requires precision and not close enough. I note my dope for that day on a FDAC or whiz wheel or ballistic program and is is right on vs a knob full of wrong data requiring corrections like 600 +2 or whatever. I recheck it with noticeable weather changes or before every shot if time allows....and with a Kestral that takes very little time. It is right on every time and not tied to data that is iincreasingly irrelevant with ANY deviation from the time it was set.
Zeros change based on barometrics.....technically you would have to reset your zero every time the temp, DA, altitude, humidity, etc chages.... which is all day long. Some times its not enough to make a big difference some times it is a big factor. Those are the times a BDC fails. You zero your rifle at 100' and 95* then hunt at 5000' and 32*......the BDC will be off a good bit. They only work as advertised at a given barometric (when the gun is zeroed) and with a given bullet weight. If it works better below 600 yds its only because the inherent error is less magnified. Sure probably close enough for some situations but this is a precision rifle forum not a close enough rifle forum. Fact is anybody that shoots much knows their dope for close enough in an average hunting situation without a BDC. Anything even approaching long range hunting to me requires precision and not close enough. I note my dope for that day on a FDAC or whiz wheel or ballistic program and is is right on vs a knob full of wrong data requiring corrections like 600 +2 or whatever. I recheck it with noticeable weather changes or before every shot if time allows....and with a Kestral that takes very little time. It is right on every time and not tied to data that is iincreasingly irrelevant with ANY deviation from the time it was set.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why nobody are using it in sniper comp? The day a top shooter will start using them and win with them, everyone will follow, I saw this a 1000 times in archery, rifle shooter aren't any different...</div></div>
Actually, rifle shooters are different. Nobody uses it at sniper comps because WE'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
Where do you think all the "top sniper comp" shooters are? Here on the HIDE. Check out www.precisionrifleseries.com Those are the top sniper comp shooters in the country, they're all members here, and they all know that BDC knobs will not work the same everywhere. So if you're sitting in one place shooting at your targets in conditions you have learned, then great, rock your BDC. But if you go from Ohio, to Texas, To California your BDC will not work. You will find yourself going "550 +2 clicks" then at that point you're no different than going "2.4 mil instead of 2.2 mil".
Show me a top sniper comp shooter that uses a BDC knob.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why nobody are using it in sniper comp? The day a top shooter will start using them and win with them, everyone will follow, I saw this a 1000 times in archery, rifle shooter aren't any different...</div></div>
Actually, rifle shooters are different. Nobody uses it at sniper comps because WE'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
Where do you think all the "top sniper comp" shooters are? Here on the HIDE. Check out www.precisionrifleseries.com Those are the top sniper comp shooters in the country, they're all members here, and they all know that BDC knobs will not work the same everywhere. So if you're sitting in one place shooting at your targets in conditions you have learned, then great, rock your BDC. But if you go from Ohio, to Texas, To California your BDC will not work. You will find yourself going "550 +2 clicks" then at that point you're no different than going "2.4 mil instead of 2.2 mil".
Show me a top sniper comp shooter that uses a BDC knob.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why nobody are using it in sniper comp? The day a top shooter will start using them and win with them, everyone will follow, I saw this a 1000 times in archery, rifle shooter aren't any different... </div></div>
better yet how about active duty military use?? like I said the Marines used if for freaking years, the operation of the unertl 10x scope is exactly how I am saying to use a BDC scope, it just doesn't have the veneer adjustment, you are the veneer adjustment. before that the russians used a BDC turret with their PU scopes. its been used for years.
remember all a BDC turret is, is moving your drop chart ON the turret. it aint for everyone and again it depends on how far you are shooting IMO. no one is saying especially me that a BDC turret should or even can or ever will compensate for conditions. for me the biggest swings are temperature. I shoot from 90 degrees to 0 degrees, setting my turret to 40, gets me inbetween, my elevation normally is within 1000 feet of my marked turret. so my variables are cut in half or less. I suspect most guys shoot in similar situations. look at some some drop charts the differences may not be as much as you think they are.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why nobody are using it in sniper comp? The day a top shooter will start using them and win with them, everyone will follow, I saw this a 1000 times in archery, rifle shooter aren't any different... </div></div>
better yet how about active duty military use?? like I said the Marines used if for freaking years, the operation of the unertl 10x scope is exactly how I am saying to use a BDC scope, it just doesn't have the veneer adjustment, you are the veneer adjustment. before that the russians used a BDC turret with their PU scopes. its been used for years.
remember all a BDC turret is, is moving your drop chart ON the turret. it aint for everyone and again it depends on how far you are shooting IMO. no one is saying especially me that a BDC turret should or even can or ever will compensate for conditions. for me the biggest swings are temperature. I shoot from 90 degrees to 0 degrees, setting my turret to 40, gets me inbetween, my elevation normally is within 1000 feet of my marked turret. so my variables are cut in half or less. I suspect most guys shoot in similar situations. look at some some drop charts the differences may not be as much as you think they are.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt.creedmoor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">come out to one of the local matches and show us how its done.....simple </div></div>
must i continue this?.........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt.creedmoor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">come out to one of the local matches and show us how its done.....simple </div></div>
must i continue this?.........
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
So since everyone here is against Huskemaw...What Nightforce is best or a good choice to put on a Remington 5R in 300 WM?
So since everyone here is against Huskemaw...What Nightforce is best or a good choice to put on a Remington 5R in 300 WM?
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elkaholic3428</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Nightforce is best or a good choice to put on a Remington 5R in 300 WM?</div></div>
Yes.
They are all great, but only you can decide what features, reticles, etc. you want.
If it was me, I would go with the 22x in mil/mil with a 5R 300wm
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elkaholic3428</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Nightforce is best or a good choice to put on a Remington 5R in 300 WM?</div></div>
Yes.
They are all great, but only you can decide what features, reticles, etc. you want.
If it was me, I would go with the 22x in mil/mil with a 5R 300wm
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I just bought a Nightforce!!!!!!
For the money, NF wins handsdown. Just because you see it on Best of The West doesn't mean shit
FWIW I went with the NXS 3.5-15-50mm NP-R1
I just bought a Nightforce!!!!!!
For the money, NF wins handsdown. Just because you see it on Best of The West doesn't mean shit
FWIW I went with the NXS 3.5-15-50mm NP-R1
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
My 5R 300WM wears a Hensoldt 4-16,
Many suggest the 20X, i prefer max power in the 15X range, but either will be more than functional.
My 5R 300WM wears a Hensoldt 4-16,
Many suggest the 20X, i prefer max power in the 15X range, but either will be more than functional.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
since we have shifted to nightforce anyone seen the np-RF1 reticle yet?? if you like BDC you can have it with a nightforce too, check out G7 optics they have adapted the setup to nightforce built scope. I like the covered low profile windage turret but I am not sure how much I like the reticle.
since we have shifted to nightforce anyone seen the np-RF1 reticle yet?? if you like BDC you can have it with a nightforce too, check out G7 optics they have adapted the setup to nightforce built scope. I like the covered low profile windage turret but I am not sure how much I like the reticle.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
So on the Nightforce 5.5X22-50 with the NP-R1 reticle, do you use the turret at all or do you use the reticle bars for POI? On my AR setup I have a tactical scope and I don't touch the turret I just know where each mil dot will hit at what distance and it seems to work fine, I took a gopher at 602 yards with it just this past Sunday. Is that the best way to do it or should I be using my turret to adjust for distances? Thanks for your guy advise!
So on the Nightforce 5.5X22-50 with the NP-R1 reticle, do you use the turret at all or do you use the reticle bars for POI? On my AR setup I have a tactical scope and I don't touch the turret I just know where each mil dot will hit at what distance and it seems to work fine, I took a gopher at 602 yards with it just this past Sunday. Is that the best way to do it or should I be using my turret to adjust for distances? Thanks for your guy advise!
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
If a shooter had the inclination to use a "BDC turret", he could make one with strip of 1/8"masking tape & a pen. Wrap your turret above the mil or moa values & mark your yardage as needed.
Then, when the novelty wears off and the limitations of relying on a BDC turret are realized, you can peel the tape off and run the scope like its posta be runt...
If a shooter had the inclination to use a "BDC turret", he could make one with strip of 1/8"masking tape & a pen. Wrap your turret above the mil or moa values & mark your yardage as needed.
Then, when the novelty wears off and the limitations of relying on a BDC turret are realized, you can peel the tape off and run the scope like its posta be runt...
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: knockemdown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a shooter had the inclination to use a "BDC turret", he could make one with strip of 1/8"masking tape & a pen. Wrap your turret above the mil or moa values & mark your yardage as needed.
Then, when the novelty wears off and the limitations of relying on a BDC turret are realized, you can peel the tape off and run the scope like its posta be runt...
</div></div>
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3186693#Post3186693
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: knockemdown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a shooter had the inclination to use a "BDC turret", he could make one with strip of 1/8"masking tape & a pen. Wrap your turret above the mil or moa values & mark your yardage as needed.
Then, when the novelty wears off and the limitations of relying on a BDC turret are realized, you can peel the tape off and run the scope like its posta be runt...
</div></div>
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3186693#Post3186693
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">better yet how about active duty military use?? like I said the Marines used if for freaking years, the operation of the unertl 10x scope is exactly how I am saying to use a BDC scope, it just doesn't have the veneer adjustment, you are the veneer adjustment. before that the russians used a BDC turret with their PU scopes. its been used for years.</div></div>
OK, since you now seem to be a Marine Sniper expert and couldn't take the hint I gave you earlier....want to explain why that system went away?
Also, have you ever used a PU scope as issued with the issued ammo? I have. It also sucks a fat one. I am not sure where the hell they calibrate them, but in Africa they aren't even close.
Keep your BDC scope if you like it.
Those of us who SHOOT FOR A LIVING are telling you that in OUR EXPERIENCE they just don't work well.
You are starting to really look like a dumbass when you keep bringing up the Unertl 10x. Those of us who have lived with them are telling you a standard turret works better.
If you think you are the expert, grab your rifle, saddle up and come play with the big boys.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">better yet how about active duty military use?? like I said the Marines used if for freaking years, the operation of the unertl 10x scope is exactly how I am saying to use a BDC scope, it just doesn't have the veneer adjustment, you are the veneer adjustment. before that the russians used a BDC turret with their PU scopes. its been used for years.</div></div>
OK, since you now seem to be a Marine Sniper expert and couldn't take the hint I gave you earlier....want to explain why that system went away?
Also, have you ever used a PU scope as issued with the issued ammo? I have. It also sucks a fat one. I am not sure where the hell they calibrate them, but in Africa they aren't even close.
Keep your BDC scope if you like it.
Those of us who SHOOT FOR A LIVING are telling you that in OUR EXPERIENCE they just don't work well.
You are starting to really look like a dumbass when you keep bringing up the Unertl 10x. Those of us who have lived with them are telling you a standard turret works better.
If you think you are the expert, grab your rifle, saddle up and come play with the big boys.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt.creedmoor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt.creedmoor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">come out to one of the local matches and show us how its done.....simple </div></div>
must i continue this?......... </div></div>
It would be my pleasure! But I dont have 2000$ to spend on a single match, so if you ever come to Montreal call me I'll show how I make it work, will even pay you a beer to cheer you up after our little match (we got real beer in Canada)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt.creedmoor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt.creedmoor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">come out to one of the local matches and show us how its done.....simple </div></div>
must i continue this?......... </div></div>
It would be my pleasure! But I dont have 2000$ to spend on a single match, so if you ever come to Montreal call me I'll show how I make it work, will even pay you a beer to cheer you up after our little match (we got real beer in Canada)
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: knockemdown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a shooter had the inclination to use a "BDC turret", he could make one with strip of 1/8"masking tape & a pen. Wrap your turret above the mil or moa values & mark your yardage as needed.
Then, when the novelty wears off and the limitations of relying on a BDC turret are realized, you can peel the tape off and run the scope like its posta be runt...
</div></div>
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3186693#Post3186693 </div></div>
I hadn't seen that, thanks for the link.
Although I admire your ingenuity, there are entirely too many numbers on that turret for me to like. And I feel you are still painting yourself into a corner by referencing your dope under a single set of conditions.
I'll stick with knowing my rifle's dope in my head & referencing a ballistic calculator and/or DA card, as needed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arrowhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: knockemdown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a shooter had the inclination to use a "BDC turret", he could make one with strip of 1/8"masking tape & a pen. Wrap your turret above the mil or moa values & mark your yardage as needed.
Then, when the novelty wears off and the limitations of relying on a BDC turret are realized, you can peel the tape off and run the scope like its posta be runt...
</div></div>
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3186693#Post3186693 </div></div>
I hadn't seen that, thanks for the link.
Although I admire your ingenuity, there are entirely too many numbers on that turret for me to like. And I feel you are still painting yourself into a corner by referencing your dope under a single set of conditions.
I'll stick with knowing my rifle's dope in my head & referencing a ballistic calculator and/or DA card, as needed.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I've done it by .5 moa increment because it's my own personnal preference, I've made other model's by 25 yards increments for customers, it's just a matter of what you like best
I dont use just one tape, I've got a set of them made by increments of 15c that range from -15c to 30c, I hunt and shoot at the same altitude so no need to chage that. In worst case scenario I still have my MOA printed on the tape so if my BDC is way off I just pull out my Ipod from my back pack and use FTE for corrections
I've done it by .5 moa increment because it's my own personnal preference, I've made other model's by 25 yards increments for customers, it's just a matter of what you like best
I dont use just one tape, I've got a set of them made by increments of 15c that range from -15c to 30c, I hunt and shoot at the same altitude so no need to chage that. In worst case scenario I still have my MOA printed on the tape so if my BDC is way off I just pull out my Ipod from my back pack and use FTE for corrections
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I'll be honest. I'm in the minority. I actually like the Nightforce Velocity Reticle. I also prefer MOA since I'm American and think in inches, feet, and yards. I'd much prefer it if it were in an FFP scope, but I make due with it in the SFP of the 15x and 22x. I know how to make the reticle work for me. I also dial. The main line has 1 moa increments and lends it self well in that cpacity when I choose to dial which is about 50% of the time. There is an independent ranging scale on the upper vertical crosshair as well.
The reticle has everything I like. When the BDC matches perfectly, it is awesome. when it is off, I adjust for it and assign new values to the marked lines. At any time, I can dial my dope.
The BDC is not for everyone. It can be argued that a standard reticle is more dynamic. And that is a valid argument. A solid understanding of ballistics and the effect that atmospherics impart on bullet flight are paramount no matter what reticle becomes your choice.
For me, the BDC reticle is just "A" way, not "The" Way. I understand it and prefer it.
I'll be honest. I'm in the minority. I actually like the Nightforce Velocity Reticle. I also prefer MOA since I'm American and think in inches, feet, and yards. I'd much prefer it if it were in an FFP scope, but I make due with it in the SFP of the 15x and 22x. I know how to make the reticle work for me. I also dial. The main line has 1 moa increments and lends it self well in that cpacity when I choose to dial which is about 50% of the time. There is an independent ranging scale on the upper vertical crosshair as well.
The reticle has everything I like. When the BDC matches perfectly, it is awesome. when it is off, I adjust for it and assign new values to the marked lines. At any time, I can dial my dope.
The BDC is not for everyone. It can be argued that a standard reticle is more dynamic. And that is a valid argument. A solid understanding of ballistics and the effect that atmospherics impart on bullet flight are paramount no matter what reticle becomes your choice.
For me, the BDC reticle is just "A" way, not "The" Way. I understand it and prefer it.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think a person employed by Nightforce would know that MOAs have nothing to do being a American, Inches, Feet, or Yards, and that MRADs are not Metric. </div></div>
I'm very much aware of the differences. That does not change my preference on what I prefer in adjustment options.
I prefer MOA because I intuitively think that way.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think a person employed by Nightforce would know that MOAs have nothing to do being a American, Inches, Feet, or Yards, and that MRADs are not Metric. </div></div>
I'm very much aware of the differences. That does not change my preference on what I prefer in adjustment options.
I prefer MOA because I intuitively think that way.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think a person employed by Nightforce would know that MOAs have nothing to do being a American, Inches, Feet, or Yards, and that MRADs are not Metric. </div></div>
you are right but they are close. wanna know how wide that rock you are shooting at 750 yards is its alot easier to come up with a ruff number in your head than with the mil system unless you have studied it a ton.
lone wolf, no need to take this so serious, I don't care what a guy uses if it suits them. I am sure one of the reasons you and others think the unertl and PU turret sucks is it was calibrated for set ammunition. didn't matter if the barrel on that gun was slow of fast or if ammunition and bullet weight had changed. yeah that would suck. but I clock my load and verify its temp stable. I know how fast the bullet is going and I also verify it with actual shooting and compare that with what my program says I should be getting. The turret is made to suit the bullet and BC and muzzle velocity of that load shot from MY gun. thats alot more precise than what the military did with their turrets. if I change my load I just reorder another turret, not so with the military systems. in the end your probably right it was a pain to be stuck with those issues and likely why there was a switch away from it.
here is an example of some extremes I face and how I deal with it. and how little difference there can be in different conditions. lets say I am taking a 1000 yard shot, my turret is set for 5500' DA and 40 degrees. but the actual conditions are 7500 feet and 10 degrees. my drop is .8 moa less than turret calibration given the current conditions. dial elevation as indicated to marked range take off 3 clicks, done. at 600 yards I am within .2 moa of marked range, another words not enough to worry about. looking at the actual charts further, I do totally agree with you that beyond a certain range BDC turrets are a pain and probably more confusing than they are worth, but I don't shoot beyond 1000 yards normally, if you take that shot disregard what I am saying as the differences in conditions start to overwhelm the system and are more confusing than helpful. it all comes down to what you wanna do with the system and how you use it in the end.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think a person employed by Nightforce would know that MOAs have nothing to do being a American, Inches, Feet, or Yards, and that MRADs are not Metric. </div></div>
you are right but they are close. wanna know how wide that rock you are shooting at 750 yards is its alot easier to come up with a ruff number in your head than with the mil system unless you have studied it a ton.
lone wolf, no need to take this so serious, I don't care what a guy uses if it suits them. I am sure one of the reasons you and others think the unertl and PU turret sucks is it was calibrated for set ammunition. didn't matter if the barrel on that gun was slow of fast or if ammunition and bullet weight had changed. yeah that would suck. but I clock my load and verify its temp stable. I know how fast the bullet is going and I also verify it with actual shooting and compare that with what my program says I should be getting. The turret is made to suit the bullet and BC and muzzle velocity of that load shot from MY gun. thats alot more precise than what the military did with their turrets. if I change my load I just reorder another turret, not so with the military systems. in the end your probably right it was a pain to be stuck with those issues and likely why there was a switch away from it.
here is an example of some extremes I face and how I deal with it. and how little difference there can be in different conditions. lets say I am taking a 1000 yard shot, my turret is set for 5500' DA and 40 degrees. but the actual conditions are 7500 feet and 10 degrees. my drop is .8 moa less than turret calibration given the current conditions. dial elevation as indicated to marked range take off 3 clicks, done. at 600 yards I am within .2 moa of marked range, another words not enough to worry about. looking at the actual charts further, I do totally agree with you that beyond a certain range BDC turrets are a pain and probably more confusing than they are worth, but I don't shoot beyond 1000 yards normally, if you take that shot disregard what I am saying as the differences in conditions start to overwhelm the system and are more confusing than helpful. it all comes down to what you wanna do with the system and how you use it in the end.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think a person employed by Nightforce would know that MOAs have nothing to do being a American, Inches, Feet, or Yards, and that MRADs are not Metric. </div></div>
you are right but they are close. but I don't shoot beyond 1000 yards normally, if you take that shot disregard what I am saying as the differences in conditions start to overwhelm the system and are more confusing than helpful. it all comes down to what you wanna do with the system and how you use it in the end. </div></div>
And there's where your argument falls short, Like we've been saying. Plus I, like many others here, HAVE studied the milradian system a ton.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think a person employed by Nightforce would know that MOAs have nothing to do being a American, Inches, Feet, or Yards, and that MRADs are not Metric. </div></div>
you are right but they are close. but I don't shoot beyond 1000 yards normally, if you take that shot disregard what I am saying as the differences in conditions start to overwhelm the system and are more confusing than helpful. it all comes down to what you wanna do with the system and how you use it in the end. </div></div>
And there's where your argument falls short, Like we've been saying. Plus I, like many others here, HAVE studied the milradian system a ton.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lone wolf, no need to take this so serious, I don't care what a guy uses if it suits them. I am sure one of the reasons you and others think the unertl and PU turret sucks is it was calibrated for set ammunition. didn't matter if the barrel on that gun was slow of fast or if ammunition and bullet weight had changed. yeah that would suck. ............ </div></div>
I take it so seriously because you attempted to use Marine Snipers to bolster your opinion when you have no freaking clue about how well our gear worked for us. I am willing to bet you have probably never touched a Unertl or put a round downrange with a M40A1 or M40A3 in your life. In fact I would be surprised to hear that you have even spoken to any real live Snipers about their experiences with the gear. It appears that you have taken the simple fact that the optic was used by the Marine Corps as gospel that the design is the greatest thing since gunpowder.
Please pull back into your lane before you get hit head on. I have shot both systems you are trying to use as an example in less than favorable conditions. I would not willingly put a BDC scope or Reticle on (almost) any rifle that I am going to personally use for precision shooting.
If you want to prove me wrong, please roll up to a PRS points match this year and show us all how well your system works. I will be shooting Kentucky PRC in July and NorCal TBRC in September. That is one on each side of the country this year. I am sure you can make it to one or the other. If your BDC works as well as you say it does, then I am sure you will recover more than enough off the prize table to cover the trip.
And yes, I do still have one BDC scope in my possession. It's the one exception to the rule because it's going on a "spec" M40A1.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lone wolf, no need to take this so serious, I don't care what a guy uses if it suits them. I am sure one of the reasons you and others think the unertl and PU turret sucks is it was calibrated for set ammunition. didn't matter if the barrel on that gun was slow of fast or if ammunition and bullet weight had changed. yeah that would suck. ............ </div></div>
I take it so seriously because you attempted to use Marine Snipers to bolster your opinion when you have no freaking clue about how well our gear worked for us. I am willing to bet you have probably never touched a Unertl or put a round downrange with a M40A1 or M40A3 in your life. In fact I would be surprised to hear that you have even spoken to any real live Snipers about their experiences with the gear. It appears that you have taken the simple fact that the optic was used by the Marine Corps as gospel that the design is the greatest thing since gunpowder.
Please pull back into your lane before you get hit head on. I have shot both systems you are trying to use as an example in less than favorable conditions. I would not willingly put a BDC scope or Reticle on (almost) any rifle that I am going to personally use for precision shooting.
If you want to prove me wrong, please roll up to a PRS points match this year and show us all how well your system works. I will be shooting Kentucky PRC in July and NorCal TBRC in September. That is one on each side of the country this year. I am sure you can make it to one or the other. If your BDC works as well as you say it does, then I am sure you will recover more than enough off the prize table to cover the trip.
And yes, I do still have one BDC scope in my possession. It's the one exception to the rule because it's going on a "spec" M40A1.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I don't know, but according to this gentleman on another forum, you just "dial and shoot" 0.5 moa (6inch wide) live targets at 1200 yards! I sure can't do that with my Hensoldt! Guess I need to sell it. See his quote below.
""Have you looked at Huskemaw? The glass is very clear and the turret system, when set up properly allows you to dial to the exact distance. It also has wind hold built into the turret. I've killed groundhogs out to 1200 yards. Dial and shoot! Len sells them here at the store.
__________________
Phil Conklin.... Shooting Instructor for The Best of the West""
I don't know, but according to this gentleman on another forum, you just "dial and shoot" 0.5 moa (6inch wide) live targets at 1200 yards! I sure can't do that with my Hensoldt! Guess I need to sell it. See his quote below.
""Have you looked at Huskemaw? The glass is very clear and the turret system, when set up properly allows you to dial to the exact distance. It also has wind hold built into the turret. I've killed groundhogs out to 1200 yards. Dial and shoot! Len sells them here at the store.
__________________
Phil Conklin.... Shooting Instructor for The Best of the West""
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToKeepAndBear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know, but according to this gentleman on another forum, you just "dial and shoot" 0.5 moa (6inch wide) live targets at 1200 yards! I sure can't do that with my Hensoldt! Guess I need to sell it. See his quote below.
""Have you looked at Huskemaw? The glass is very clear and the turret system, when set up properly allows you to dial to the exact distance. It also has wind hold built into the turret. I've killed groundhogs out to 1200 yards. Dial and shoot! Len sells them here at the store.
just want people to know I aint that guy.
__________________
Phil Conklin.... Shooting Instructor for The Best of the West"" </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToKeepAndBear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know, but according to this gentleman on another forum, you just "dial and shoot" 0.5 moa (6inch wide) live targets at 1200 yards! I sure can't do that with my Hensoldt! Guess I need to sell it. See his quote below.
""Have you looked at Huskemaw? The glass is very clear and the turret system, when set up properly allows you to dial to the exact distance. It also has wind hold built into the turret. I've killed groundhogs out to 1200 yards. Dial and shoot! Len sells them here at the store.
just want people to know I aint that guy.
__________________
Phil Conklin.... Shooting Instructor for The Best of the West"" </div></div>
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
cummins cowboy, (Not properly capitalized just for you)
Making a hurried/rushed shot on a game animal at long range (600 yards or more) with or without a ranging reticle and tactical turrets is unethical.
For an unmoving animal, no need to rush the shot.
Maybe get closer to the game.... Stop spooking the critters...
Huskemaw?? The name alone would keep me from buying the thing...
cummins cowboy, (Not properly capitalized just for you)
Making a hurried/rushed shot on a game animal at long range (600 yards or more) with or without a ranging reticle and tactical turrets is unethical.
For an unmoving animal, no need to rush the shot.
Maybe get closer to the game.... Stop spooking the critters...
Huskemaw?? The name alone would keep me from buying the thing...
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
well it sure is hard to tell who you are cummins, since you haven't filled out your profile.
well it sure is hard to tell who you are cummins, since you haven't filled out your profile.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
cc,
To add to what LW and Mike are saying, the Marine Corps dropped the BDC system for a reason. Those of us in the platoons were screaming for a new scope that wasn't so limiting. Did the Unertl and BDC system work? Of course it did, but not well.
There were mornings in the winter at Quantico we were dialing 10+3 just to hit at the 800yd line, next day after a warm front moving through we were in a completely different situation. How about having to rezero every time we went into a new AO? Try that one when you're conducting the longest amphibious landing in history from the Indian Ocean to Helmand, Afghanistan in the winter, or inserting from a valley FOB to a mountain OP. Can't exactly hit the range once you're on the ground.
There were other factors with the Unertl that we wanted replaced such as external O-rings that constantly came unglued, the steel fittings at the lens that rusted every time you hit the bush, using a fixed 10x scope in an urban environment, non-matching reticle and turret, and a wire reticle that was fragile as hell. All those elements "worked" for us for years too, and we couldn't wait to get rid of them. Your argument of "the Marines used it" is significantly flawed.
Back on topic for the OP, stick to a turret system YOU can specify what it's set at rather than limiting yourself to a specific BDC turret. It's beyond easy to learn how to use a FDAC or set yourself up a quick set of drop cards for different DAs. It's one thing to have a quick BDC reference on your elevation turret in addition to your regular markings, it's another for it to be limited and cammed out to that. You will be very well served if you go with a NF, SWFA SS HD, HDMR, Vortex or many other optics in that same price range.
cc,
To add to what LW and Mike are saying, the Marine Corps dropped the BDC system for a reason. Those of us in the platoons were screaming for a new scope that wasn't so limiting. Did the Unertl and BDC system work? Of course it did, but not well.
There were mornings in the winter at Quantico we were dialing 10+3 just to hit at the 800yd line, next day after a warm front moving through we were in a completely different situation. How about having to rezero every time we went into a new AO? Try that one when you're conducting the longest amphibious landing in history from the Indian Ocean to Helmand, Afghanistan in the winter, or inserting from a valley FOB to a mountain OP. Can't exactly hit the range once you're on the ground.
There were other factors with the Unertl that we wanted replaced such as external O-rings that constantly came unglued, the steel fittings at the lens that rusted every time you hit the bush, using a fixed 10x scope in an urban environment, non-matching reticle and turret, and a wire reticle that was fragile as hell. All those elements "worked" for us for years too, and we couldn't wait to get rid of them. Your argument of "the Marines used it" is significantly flawed.
Back on topic for the OP, stick to a turret system YOU can specify what it's set at rather than limiting yourself to a specific BDC turret. It's beyond easy to learn how to use a FDAC or set yourself up a quick set of drop cards for different DAs. It's one thing to have a quick BDC reference on your elevation turret in addition to your regular markings, it's another for it to be limited and cammed out to that. You will be very well served if you go with a NF, SWFA SS HD, HDMR, Vortex or many other optics in that same price range.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cc,
To add to what LW and Mike are saying, the Marine Corps dropped the BDC system for a reason. Those of us in the platoons were screaming for a new scope that wasn't so limiting. Did the Unertl and BDC system work? Of course it did, but not well.
There were mornings in the winter at Quantico we were dialing 10+3 just to hit at the 800yd line, next day after a warm front moving through we were in a completely different situation. How about having to rezero every time we went into a new AO? Try that one when you're conducting the longest amphibious landing in history from the Indian Ocean to Helmand, Afghanistan in the winter, or inserting from a valley FOB to a mountain OP. Can't exactly hit the range once you're on the ground.
There were other factors with the Unertl that we wanted replaced such as external O-rings that constantly came unglued, the steel fittings at the lens that rusted every time you hit the bush, using a fixed 10x scope in an urban environment, non-matching reticle and turret, and a wire reticle that was fragile as hell. All those elements "worked" for us for years too, and we couldn't wait to get rid of them. Your argument of "the Marines used it" is significantly flawed.
Back on topic for the OP, stick to a turret system YOU can specify what it's set at rather than limiting yourself to a specific BDC turret. It's beyond easy to learn how to use a FDAC or set yourself up a quick set of drop cards for different DAs. It's one thing to have a quick BDC reference on your elevation turret in addition to your regular markings, it's another for it to be limited and cammed out to that. You will be very well served if you go with a NF, SWFA SS HD, HDMR, Vortex or many other optics in that same price range. </div></div>
thank you for being nice about your post and not belittling and backing up your opinion with experiences and examples.
its obvious the guy asking the question is a hunter. when huskemaw comes up it does bring out some very intense debate even on hunting forums. I still think they are over priced for what you get. I guess for me the conditions I shoot in don't vary near what all of military operators see. my DA is going to vary only about 2000 feet typically and my temps are going to be 80-10 degrees. that is the biggest swing I typically see and for the distances I shoot my system works for me.
I didn't come here to make anyone mad or piss them off. infact I agreed with most of whats been said. its a hunting scope not a tactical scope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cc,
To add to what LW and Mike are saying, the Marine Corps dropped the BDC system for a reason. Those of us in the platoons were screaming for a new scope that wasn't so limiting. Did the Unertl and BDC system work? Of course it did, but not well.
There were mornings in the winter at Quantico we were dialing 10+3 just to hit at the 800yd line, next day after a warm front moving through we were in a completely different situation. How about having to rezero every time we went into a new AO? Try that one when you're conducting the longest amphibious landing in history from the Indian Ocean to Helmand, Afghanistan in the winter, or inserting from a valley FOB to a mountain OP. Can't exactly hit the range once you're on the ground.
There were other factors with the Unertl that we wanted replaced such as external O-rings that constantly came unglued, the steel fittings at the lens that rusted every time you hit the bush, using a fixed 10x scope in an urban environment, non-matching reticle and turret, and a wire reticle that was fragile as hell. All those elements "worked" for us for years too, and we couldn't wait to get rid of them. Your argument of "the Marines used it" is significantly flawed.
Back on topic for the OP, stick to a turret system YOU can specify what it's set at rather than limiting yourself to a specific BDC turret. It's beyond easy to learn how to use a FDAC or set yourself up a quick set of drop cards for different DAs. It's one thing to have a quick BDC reference on your elevation turret in addition to your regular markings, it's another for it to be limited and cammed out to that. You will be very well served if you go with a NF, SWFA SS HD, HDMR, Vortex or many other optics in that same price range. </div></div>
thank you for being nice about your post and not belittling and backing up your opinion with experiences and examples.
its obvious the guy asking the question is a hunter. when huskemaw comes up it does bring out some very intense debate even on hunting forums. I still think they are over priced for what you get. I guess for me the conditions I shoot in don't vary near what all of military operators see. my DA is going to vary only about 2000 feet typically and my temps are going to be 80-10 degrees. that is the biggest swing I typically see and for the distances I shoot my system works for me.
I didn't come here to make anyone mad or piss them off. infact I agreed with most of whats been said. its a hunting scope not a tactical scope.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
I hunted next to a guy who was a best of the west fan, nice guy, and a good shot. I asked him if I could look through his Huskamajigger since I never had before. I was neither impressed nor dissatisfied, optically it was't too bad. But the features and focus were not my cup of tea. I handed his rifle back to him, and said thanks. His son took a 750yd shot on a spike bull ell, I spotted for him and his second shot hit and killed the bull. And yes, his BDC was off by a foot or so, I called his miss and he corrected and hit.
I hunted next to a guy who was a best of the west fan, nice guy, and a good shot. I asked him if I could look through his Huskamajigger since I never had before. I was neither impressed nor dissatisfied, optically it was't too bad. But the features and focus were not my cup of tea. I handed his rifle back to him, and said thanks. His son took a 750yd shot on a spike bull ell, I spotted for him and his second shot hit and killed the bull. And yes, his BDC was off by a foot or so, I called his miss and he corrected and hit.
Re: Huskemaw Blue Diamond Series 5-20x50 Rifle Scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I disagree with much of the advice given here, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around here and its tuff to see the value in alternative ideas unless they come through certain channels................... </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> infact I agreed with most of whats been said. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> its a hunting scope not a tactical
scope. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... but sniping is really hunting too. I think the husky system is alot faster at making a shot. with most tactical systems speed isn't so much important nor is portability </div></div>
Well which is it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I disagree with much of the advice given here, tactical crowd is a ruff crowd around here and its tuff to see the value in alternative ideas unless they come through certain channels................... </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> infact I agreed with most of whats been said. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> its a hunting scope not a tactical
scope. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ... but sniping is really hunting too. I think the husky system is alot faster at making a shot. with most tactical systems speed isn't so much important nor is portability </div></div>
Well which is it?
