Suppressors I launched my suppressor down range. Dogh!

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I went to the range yesterday and put my Omega on my rifle and I guess I didn't put it all the way on because when I pulled the trigger there was a loud boom and it launched about fifty yards down range.
I tumbled end over end into the next lane over.
Everyone just looked at and me and I got that sour look from the line officers.
During the cease fire I ran down and got it.
It was full of dirt and had some gouges on the outside.
I shook out the dirt and blew the rest out.
I looked through it with my flashlight and it looks like a bullet grazed the baffles on one side notching them as it passed though.
I put it on and shot it and it seems like its OK.
Silencerco has a warranty that will fix stupid.
What do you think, keep shooting it or send it in?
Thanks guys.
 
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I use the ASR mount and I use it on multiple rifles from 223 to 308.
It seams like the lock collar has gotten loose because you can spin the can off with the collar locked shut.
It came with direct thread and the quick release mounts.
 
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Walt said:
I use the ASR mount and I use it on multiple rifles from 223 to 308.
It seams like the lock collar has gotten loose because you can spin the can off with the collar locked shut.
It came with direct thread and the quick release mounts.
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I have a couple of SiCo cans and one of the main reasons I went with them is their great reputation for CS. I'd suggest getting in touch with them to discuss. I'd bet they will ask you to send not only the can back, but your brake/mount as well. I think they would return everything to "like new" condition at very little, if any cost to you. I have an Omega and quit using the brake/mount(s) and went direct thread. I check the can about every 5 rounds, but it doesn't seem to loosen up.
 
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I did the same thing with a 223 I think. Something must have come loose because I put a bunch of rounds down range, loaded up some new stuff, went back out, and that sucker took a trip down my range. When I cleaned out the snow I was fortunate to not have any baffle strikes and only hit the end cap. I usually use direct thread but thought I would try a QD...oops. Haha!
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
I have a couple of SiCo cans and one of the main reasons I went with them is their great reputation for CS. I'd suggest getting in touch with them to discuss. I'd bet they will ask you to send not only the can back, but your brake/mount as well. I think they would return everything to "like new" condition at very little, if any cost to you. I have an Omega and quit using the brake/mount(s) and went direct thread. I check the can about every 5 rounds, but it doesn't seem to loosen up.
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Every five rounds? If I felt the need to check my can every five rounds, I would be dumping it and buying something else. Faith in my equipment is worth every penny.
 
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MinnesotaMulisha said:
Every five rounds? If I felt the need to check my can every five rounds, I would be dumping it and buying something else. Faith in my equipment is worth every penny.
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It was a habit that I picked up from the ASR mount, which was necessary to check frequently. As I said in my post, it did not seem to loosen up when direct threaded. Kind of like looking at your gas gauge once in a while. Going direct thread, I do have confidence in it.
 
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i wish someone who's ASR comes loose could send me theirs...ive got 2 ASR mounts (hybrid and omega) and about 12 different brakes on different barrels, and i can make them lock up so tight by hand you have to get the wrench to remove them after a day of shooting...i normally shoot a brake, but i ran my omega in about 10-15 matches over the last couple years, and its never even came close to coming loose, its hard to get off after every match...im curious if its an out of spec ASR thing or out of spec brakes, but i know on my 2 ASRs i can screw them on tight and shoot without locking the ring and they still dont come loose with a few strings of rounds thru them
 
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morganlamprecht said:
i wish someone who's ASR comes loose could send me theirs...ive got 2 ASR mounts (hybrid and omega) and about 12 different brakes on different barrels, and i can make them lock up so tight by hand you have to get the wrench to remove them after a day of shooting...i normally shoot a brake, but i ran my omega in about 10-15 matches over the last couple years, and its never even came close to coming loose, its hard to get off after every match...im curious if its an out of spec ASR thing or out of spec brakes, but i know on my 2 ASRs i can screw them on tight and shoot without locking the ring and they still dont come loose with a few strings of rounds thru them
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Me too. I just assume that they put the can on with the teeth already partially locked and go on my way. I know I watch it actually thread on and lock up, never had an issue.
 
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I launched my Specwar once. I wasn't paying enough attention as I was switching it between two guns and threading it on horizonly and it must have been spinning as I thought it was threading on a long barreled Varminter rifle and then stopped. I locked the ring and loaded the rifle. Boom, it flew about 15 feet and I thought at first the gun blew up. Incredibly there was no visible damage to the threads or can other than reentry scratches. This thing is heavy and tough as a wedge. LUCKY :eek:

So now I install it in the vertical position and what to see the threads are correctly engaged with no further issues.
 
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spife7980 said:
Me too. I just assume that they put the can on with the teeth already partially locked and go on my way. I know I watch it actually thread on and lock up, never had an issue.
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i know of only 2 people personally who have launched SiCo cans...both specwars, it happened to each of them once, and has never happened to them again. they didnt change anything brake or mount wise...makes it hard not to think it was a user mounting error
 
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morganlamprecht said:
i know of only 2 people personally who have launched SiCo cans...a both specwars, it happened to each of them once, and has never happened to them again. they didnt change anything brake or mount wise...makes it hard not to think it was a user mounting error
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My cousin launched his, I gave instruction on how to only tighten it on by the can body to avoid shifting the ring and to only take it off my the module so that he doesn’t separate the body from it and to watch it actually tighten itself on. I asked him if he paid attention to any of it and his response was “nope.”
 
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I'm not saying there isn't some sub-par engineering out there, but can you seriously blame the engineer if someone puts a can on and shoots it without looking at the install either during or after?

I don't think any company or system would be immune from having there equipment messed up with level of attention to detail.
 
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All I'm saying is the engineer assumed a certain level of attention would be paid to the install operation. Perhaps like actually looking at it while doing it, or at least inspecting it afterwards.

I would hate to have to shoot any of these peoples reloads!
 
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I'm gonna say that this is sort of like having to push a button and turn a lever on a car to have the door actually shut and not flop open later.

When every other car in the entire fucking universe just shuts when you pull on it.

NWnewguy said:
All I'm saying is the engineer assumed a certain level of attention would be paid to the install operation. Perhaps like actually looking at it while doing it, or at least inspecting it afterwards.

I would hate to have to shoot any of these peoples reloads!
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If you make an assumption that proves wrong in practice that’s on you.

The silencers I buy were made for military use. The assumption is that someone will use them while adrenaline soaked and sleep deprived. If you can’t use it right after being up for two days, and other people have the same issue, it’s a design issue.
 
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i buy a lot of gear for the same reason - i shoot at night more than most here shoot during the day. when it’s 2 AM and you are out shooting, shit that don’t make sense during the day all the sudden stands out as a great idea.

i would not buy a suppressor that needed visual attention in the middle of the night any more than i would buy a scope without a zero stop.

I have seen more than one suppressor company fuck up a mount design and i’m not inclined to cut them any slack.

one example is the suppressor mount that requires factory service if you spin it closed when it’s not on the muzzle device. what. the. fuck.

RyanScott said:
If you make an assumption that proves wrong in practice that’s on you.

The silencers I buy were made for military use. The assumption is that someone will use them while adrenaline soaked and sleep deprived. If you can’t use it right after being up for two days, and other people have the same issue, it’s a design issue.
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Badfinger said:
It must be hard to humble when you're perfect in every way. :unsure:
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I'm a long way from perfect brother and everyone makes mistakes or loses focus from time to time. I have an Omega and I don't see how you can mess it up if you pay attention while you are installing it. My point was that if you don't pay attention while you're reloading, it can be a really bad day.
 
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The King said:
i buy a lot of gear for the same reason - i shoot at night more than most here shoot during the day. when it’s 2 AM and you are out shooting, shit that don’t make sense during the day all the sudden stands out as a great idea.

i would not buy a suppressor that needed visual attention in the middle of the night any more than i would buy a scope without a zero stop.

I have seen more than one suppressor company fuck up a mount design and i’m not inclined to cut them any slack.

one example is the suppressor mount that requires factory service if you spin it closed when it’s not on the muzzle device. what. the. fuck.
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"one example is the suppressor mount that requires factory service if you spin it closed when it’s not on the muzzle device. what. the. fuck."

"Presactly"......Jesus. What an engineering marvel that is/was.........
 
#32
Same thing happened to me about a year ago. The ASR clamp must not have been tight. I originally thought it clipped baffles but turns out they’re already notched. It did clip the end so and notched that though. I called silencerco that day and sent it out had it fixed and back within a week no questions asked. Just call and send it in.
 
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Happened to me as well with the ASR mount on a Specwar. Luckily no damage to the can. I am a big fan of Silencerco but not a fan of the ASR mount. I am meticulous now to ensure the can is threaded on properly but find that my ASR mount cans often come loose after a few strings of fire and need to re-tighten frequently.
 
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morganlamprecht said:
Do y’all not torque them at all before locking the ring?
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Can't speak for the others but I hand snugged the suppressor down by hand before I launched it down range several years ago. I have a theory as to why this happens with ASR mounts after examining mine closely and reading about quite a few similar stories. The ASR works by pressing in 2 sets of teeth to apply tension to the grooves on the muzzle break/flash hider. By necessity there is not much clearance between the teeth and the grooves so when you lock the ring the teeth apply sufficient grip on the grooves. If some junk builds up or there is too much bend in the teeth it is not that hard for the suppressor to hit the teeth as you screw on the suppressor and make it feel like the suppressor has threaded all the way on. If you lock the ring at that point it is barely attached and you will send it down range. Just my thoughts on why it happened to me and others that have reported it happening to them.
 
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Over time the ring that presses the teeth may "loose some grip" Here is what some need to do to get a tight lock again.

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/omega-asr-vs-direct-thread.6334999/post-6341597


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Well Damn.... I am in the process of switching all my SilCOo MAAD mounts over to ASR so that this would NOT happen. Everything I have read says it is a possibility with the MAAD ant the ASR was to fix it. Now I am second guessing.
 
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morganlamprecht said:
Do y’all not torque them at all before locking the ring?
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I have one of these coming, and had the same thought. My understanding is you screw the thing on, then lock it with the ring, which forces the little feet to grab the muzzle device. But isn't that primarily to prevent the can from rotating, or unscrewing a bit and getting loose? To blow your can off, it seems to me you'd basically have to not engage the threads at all. I get that if the feet are down, it might stop the can from screwing on all the way. Just seems like lack of attention would be required to not realize the can isn't threading when you are screwing it on.
 
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Namekagon said:
I have one of these coming, and had the same thought. My understanding is you screw the thing on, then lock it with the ring, which forces the little feet to grab the muzzle device. But isn't that primarily to prevent the can from rotating, or unscrewing a bit and getting loose? To blow your can off, it seems to me you'd basically have to not engage the threads at all. I get that if the feet are down, it might stop the can from screwing on all the way. Just seems like lack of attention would be required to not realize the can isn't threading when you are screwing it on.
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yea, i havent had a chance to get home and mess with mine, but i can screw mine on and torque them by hand just like any other can/brake mount...and it aint coming loose...the little teeth do nothing, but back up the torque i put on it by hand
 
#42
I have a Silencerco omega and shoot it on several different calibers some direct thread and some with the ASR mount. After shooting both mount options I am leaning toward direct thread simply because of the shorter length overall. I just dont see how you could possibly launch one of these cans down range without doing something seriously wrong..like maybe threading it onto an asr mount with the lock ring in the locked position! or having a seriously messed up thread job on a barrel. If someone cant figure out "righty tighty" "lefty loosey" I would hope to not be next to them on a range, and the can is no way going to loosen up more than a half a click on the lock ring if installed properly and even then I think it would be a stretch to send it down range. Probably real hard for some to admit they "f d" up and instead blame it on anything but themselves. That being said they are certainly not perfect as mine has started loosening from the titanium tube, but not a big deal considering how crazy universal the Omega system is.
 
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Walt said:
I went to the range yesterday and put my Omega on my rifle and I guess I didn't put it all the way on because when I pulled the trigger there was a loud boom and it launched about fifty yards down range.
I tumbled end over end into the next lane over.
Everyone just looked at and me and I got that sour look from the line officers.
During the cease fire I ran down and got it.
It was full of dirt and had some gouges on the outside.
I shook out the dirt and blew the rest out.
I looked through it with my flashlight and it looks like a bullet grazed the baffles on one side notching them as it passed though.
I put it on and shot it and it seems like its OK.
Silencerco has a warranty that will fix stupid.
What do you think, keep shooting it or send it in?
Thanks guys.
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Silencerco is engineering lite. Their cans launch. It’s a known issue.
 
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About those purple welds kevin... Can you post a photo from capital armory where your can failed. Maybe they were doing a similar test with the omega?


 
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The ASR mount is pretty damn robust, I haven't seen a broken one yet. Cans launching from ASR mounts are from user error, whether the shooter wants to admit it or not. It's happened to me and was 100% my fault for talking to a fellow shooter and not looking at what I was doing. The can spun on the brake and never actually engaged the threads, when it hit the threads it was cross threaded (which felt like it stopping on the shoulder). I locked the ring and assumed it was on. Even had a picture of it before it got shot off.

If you've got a can thats shooting loose you do have a problem.
 
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