I need to ask a dumb question about safety

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I am trying to set up my reloading bench. I only have one option on where to put it. It would be exactly 5 feet 3 inches from the furnace and water heater. Both of which are natural gas operated. Using gun powder 5 feet from fire...

Now the fire is enclosed. But still....

Thoughts? I mean it’s like I know I can’t do that I just really want to and I need someone to tell me I can’t haha.
 
I am new to hand loading, but I would expect that you may want to be careful about storage of flammable items close to those, but that would apply to anything. In general I expect that powder might be the initial concern, but I suspect that in general it would not be an issue, but rather to be conscience of anything that might produce flammable vapors such as cleaning solvents or spraying something like a homemade case lubricant (lanolin + alcohol) close to an open flame. These will either have an open flame pilot light or an electronic igniter.

But I am curious as to what others have to say. There could be a danger I am not thinking about.
 
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Mine is about that close to both in the furnace room as well. Gun powder is flammable, but is not explosive unless under pressure. It would make a fire worse, but if your furnace room is already on fire I doubt you would even notice a jug going up except for a little more smoke.

I don't think twice about it, and if you are that concerned about safety you probably should not handle firearms...or powered hand tools...or drive an automobile on public streets...

IMO it is a safety Nazi concern, not a real one.
 
As to the powder question; Are you using a progressive press or single stage press? If you are setting up a progressive press then do as I do and do all of you powdering at the kitchen table. Measuring and dropping the powder in a more climate controlled environment is a plus anyway.

Once the cases are charged, you can take them back out in the loading block to the garage for bullet seating. Powder is not like volatile fumes in that it takes direct high heat or flame to make it ignite.
 
Under no circumstances allow your home insurance inspector to go near that.
While it might look better to have all your powder and primers near your loading bench, it might be better to store bulk someplace a little more distant.

Don't you just love the "I do that all the time and never had a problem" replies?
 
As to the powder question; Are you using a progressive press or single stage press? If you are setting up a progressive press then do as I do and do all of you powdering at the kitchen table. Measuring and dropping the powder in a more climate controlled environment is a plus anyway.

Once the cases are charged, you can take them back out in the loading block to the garage for bullet seating. Powder is not like volatile fumes in that it takes direct high heat or flame to make it ignite.
Thanks guys. This is a good idea. I’m using a single stage. I could measure all my powder inside. That’s not a bad idea at all. The wife might not love it. But I’m pretty careful.
 
The only time I have any powder on my reloading bench is when I am actually charging cases..When I am done charging cases I put the powder back in a designated storage area which requires my walking over to...storing powder away from your reloading bench is a safe guard to prevent loading the wrong powder especially if you load both pistol and rifle..Ray
 
Mine is about that close to both in the furnace room as well. Gun powder is flammable, but is not explosive unless under pressure. It would make a fire worse, but if your furnace room is already on fire I doubt you would even notice a jug going up except for a little more smoke.

I don't think twice about it, and if you are that concerned about safety you probably should not handle firearms...or powered hand tools...or drive an automobile on public streets...

IMO it is a safety Nazi concern, not a real one.
I appreciate the advice. Having kids in the house I really don’t want to burn it down. But how does asking this question make me unqualified to handle a firearm or drive a car?

This logic doesn’t make sense. I’d love an explaination. Guns and gun powder aren’t for being careless. I’m not afraid of them. I use them to protect my family. By your logic anyone who doesn’t leave a loaded hair triggered pistol on the coffee table for their toddler to find is unqualified to drive. Tell that to the guy in Utah who just got shot by his dog stepping on his shotgun while duck hunting. He didn’t need safety either.

Edit to add: now he CANT use a firearm. Or a powered hand tool. Or drive a car.
 
I would not store powder in the room, reload yes, when is the last time you noticed a fireball coming from either unit? If either explode, the gas source a bigger concern than gunpowder nearby.
 
Good question. Think it through.

At first blush it seems to me that the biggest risk is fire. So I tried to find the flash point for smokeless powder. Wiki is a failure, it says the flash point is 37 degrees F. Since I have some stored at 75 F and it isn't on fire, I'm thinking that we do not share a common meaning for "flash point". Next I looked up "autoignition temperature" - I found them in the Materials Safety Data Sheets from several powder manufacturers. These seem to range from about 160 C to 200 C or about 320 F to 392 F.

If you can touch every external part of your furnace with your bare hands then the exposed part is less than about 140 F and the furnace should not ignite powder. What about the flue? That's hot, right? Maybe. Depends on the gas furnace. I had one where the flue temperature was less than 100 degrees, we used white plumbing pipe for the flue. If you can imagine a scenario where smokeless powder could come into contact with a hot flue or something else hot on your furnace then move your bench. Otherwise, so far you are good.

Forced air furnaces move a lot of air and they warm it up. If the powder is in the air, how far will it go - can it get sucked into a hot place? Are there holes that powder can get through and come in contact with hot stuff? Are you messy and have powder all over the floor or bench? Can you get airborne powder in contact with your furnace or flue? Are you using stick or ball powder (each piece is fairly heavy) or flake powder (each piece is really light and might float in the air)? If any of those had the wrong answer, you need to load somewhere else.

Next issue: liquids and vapors. If you use a volatile liquid on your bench, maybe a cleaning solvent, maybe the liquid will evaporate and create an explosive fuel-air mixture. Ignited by the furnace you would launch yourself (or parts thereof) into low earth orbit. Although it sounds like fun, your insurance rates would go up, it will make a mess that your wife will want you to clean up, you will be in no position (or perhaps many positions) to oblige, so you should probably avoid it. In some cases especially if warm powder breaks down and one or more of the decomposition products makes a flammable vapor. Sometimes during the manufacturing process powder is cleaned or extracted using ether or acetone - both flammable. I would not worry too much about powder products but if I thought about it, I probably wouldn't clean guns with gasoline in that room.

Powder should be stored in "a cool and dry area". Furnace rooms are not one of those. Elevated temperatures will accelerate decomposition. If you load in this room, store your powder and loaded ammo somewhere else.

I once had a 10x20 reloading room that contained a propane forced air furnace. I loaded a lot of ammo in there and cleaned a lot of guns. It never struck me as a death trap - there were no incidents. YMMV. By the way, if you live in California they will tell you this is a terrible dangerous idea. Have you noticed those "known by the State of California to cause cancer"-labels on everything? I saw that notice on a lathe the other day. If everything causes cancer they should save the labels for things that don't cause cancer like warm distilled water. I think that's the only thing that will require a label.
 
I am trying to set up my reloading bench. I only have one option on where to put it. It would be exactly 5 feet 3 inches from the furnace and water heater. Both of which are natural gas operated. Using gun powder 5 feet from fire...

Now the fire is enclosed. But still....

Thoughts? I mean it’s like I know I can’t do that I just really want to and I need someone to tell me I can’t haha.

I had the EXACT same question as you when I started reloading 15 years ago. My setup was in the garage and I was somewhat near a gas water heater. I was worried that the powder 'fumes' would make their way over to the water heater, and the pilot light would eventually blow me and the house up.

I lived.
 
first off....i dont think it is a dumb question.

and while i do not disagree with anyone posting above, myself.....i wouldnt do it.

having said that, i have my stuff set up in the garage; and on the other side of the garage is a gas heater mounted to the ceiling. i’d say 15ish feet away. for whatever any of that is worth.....
 
Have you ever tried to light powder with a match? It’s not always the easiest thing to ignite. Yeah, it’s burns fast and hot but it’s taken me multiple matches to light a pile before.

And primers are explosive but you kind of have to whack them with a hammer to set me off.

You’ll be 100% fine so long as you don’t try and throw handfuls of powder into the pilot like camp guy said lol
 
I had a natural gas heater in my reloading room. Not sure why it was even there in the first place. I plugged that SOB and took it out. You don't need a stupid heater in a So Cal home! But in your case it's right next to all the good stuff needed. I wouldn't worry, but typically I like to do more at my bench than just reload, including cleaning. I would find a different spot if I were you. But you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Good question. Think it through.

At first blush it seems to me that the biggest risk is fire. So I tried to find the flash point for smokeless powder. Wiki is a failure, it says the flash point is 37 degrees F. Since I have some stored at 75 F and it isn't on fire, I'm thinking that we do not share a common meaning for "flash point". Next I looked up "autoignition temperature" - I found them in the Materials Safety Data Sheets from several powder manufacturers.

This is because you don’t understand “flash point”. The flash point is in regards to a direct ignition source. Open flame, spark, arc, etc. it does not have anything to do with ambient air or a hot surface as neither are a ignition source.

When testing samples like #2 MV15 Diesel fuel oil the lowest flash point for engines is recommended at 130*. Now if we were talking about conventional gasoline that flash point moves to -800 something.
If you’re not exposing powder/ gasoline/ diesel/ any vapor or potential voletile substance to a open ignition or potential ignition source you’re safe.
 
Powders and primers are safe if handled properly. Get sloppy and sweep up most of your spillage but leave some under the furnace well you deserve what you get. Furnaces have been know to overheat and take out nearby 2X4s. It would be one thing to take your kitchen fire extinguisher and put out a smoldering wooden cabinet a few feet from a furnace, another to put out that powder fire.
It's not likely the powder or primers that would be the root cause of a home fire. Appliance failure, electrical fault, any other source of fire close to your powder storage may be the cause of your 8 pound jugs of powder going up.
Don't worry, it'll burn itself out.
If you have a home incident that was caused by something covered by your home insurance an investigation showing an 'accelerant' was involved might be a lucky break.
For your insurance company.

If you use common sense at the reloading bench there is little to worry about. It you are a careless slob (look around and judge yourself) then reloading anywhere in the family home might not be advisable :)