Suppressors If a ban goes into effect can I still buy NFA cans

[Skoda]

The title says it all. If they bring back the ban of 1994 can I still order supressors? Is it too soon to be talking about stuff like this? I just wanted to know if I needed to start buying all my cans right now. I can do it. It would break me alittle but i could do it. I have 2 cans ordered right now. would like 2-3 more.

 

[Charger442]

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the panic is only being fueled by threads like this. to my knowledge, cans weren't affected by the 94 AWB.

 

[Skoda]

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Sorry for the topic. I guess I should just wait a few months and see how every thing plays out.

 

[HoytFlinger]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charger442</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the panic is only being fueled by threads like this. to my knowledge, cans weren't affected by the 94 AWB. </div></div>

I don't think they will stop at reintroduction of the 94 AWB. Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well and it is hard telling what that damn Feinstein is going to add to her Bill. These are going to be some very trying times for our brothers at the NRA.

 

[HPLLC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HoytFlinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charger442</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the panic is only being fueled by threads like this. to my knowledge, cans weren't affected by the 94 AWB. </div></div>

I don't think they will stop at reintroduction of the 94 AWB. Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well and it is hard telling what that damn Feinstein is going to add to her Bill. These are going to be some very trying times for our brothers at the NRA. </div></div>

This will be a test of who's side the NRA is on. They have been doing Boehner speak - talking like they are ready to make concessions.

We shouldn't concede anything, in fact we should refuse any limitation.

Rather logical reforms would involve security changes for public places. Suggestions made to private establishments where crowds congregate (movie theaters, opera/symphony theathers, concerts, etc).

Mall guards could cross train with government agencies and become armed security. Teachers as well.

We pay homeland security and they bring little to the table- this would be an opportunity for DHS to bring something to the table- Train- equip- secure.

 

[Enough Said]

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I do NOT want my kid looking up to a DHS P.O.S each morning at school. Shades of gestapo...

DHS will be the end of us.

 

[Killswitch Engage]

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i would not delay anything in regards to a weapon or accessory purchase and anyone that tells you threads like this are the issue is lost.

one crime like this committed with a suppressor and its over....period. and, if you think for one damn minute that this is going to stop with "assault wepaons" i got some ocean front for ya. again, take a scenario of a mag fed bolt gun and a guy on a roof with oh....i dont know say....20 10rd aics mags and laying down a world of hurt. can you imagine the outcome on the "sniper" weapons????

no pal, once this ship sets sail and its about to we aint coming back to port.

 

[Killswitch Engage]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enough Said</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do NOT want my kid looking up to a DHS P.O.S each morning at school. Shades of gestapo...

DHS will be the end of us. </div></div>

amen brother!!!!

 

[coldboremiracle]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HoytFlinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well </div></div>

Quit saying Gun Show Loophole! it doesn't exist! what people refer to as the GSL is really just a private sale, if they want to make a private sale illegal, then call it what it is.

 

[HireHeroes_JB]

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The NRA is definitely pulling a boehner. They will negotiate some things to be off the table...despite the constitution and any meaningful data.

AR15.com isn't even taking action and this affects their entire livelihood.

Know this: there isn't a single proposal on the table now that will do anything to keep children or public places safe. This is all about money and power.

 

[malaga2]

Re: If a ban goes into effect can I still buy NFA cans

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HoytFlinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charger442</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the panic is only being fueled by threads like this. to my knowledge, cans weren't affected by the 94 AWB. </div></div>

I don't think they will stop at reintroduction of the 94 AWB. Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well and it is hard telling what that damn Feinstein is going to add to her Bill. These are going to be some very trying times for our brothers at the NRA. </div></div>

This will be a test of who's side the NRA is on. They have been doing Boehner speak - talking like they are ready to make concessions.

We shouldn't concede anything, in fact we should refuse any limitation.

Rather logical reforms would involve security changes for public places. Suggestions made to private establishments where crowds congregate (movie theaters, opera/symphony theathers, concerts, etc).

Mall guards could cross train with government agencies and become armed security. Teachers as well.

We pay homeland security and they bring little to the table- this would be an opportunity for DHS to bring something to the table- Train- equip- secure.

</div></div>


THIS !!!!!!!!

 

[hunter-steve]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Teancum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The NRA is definitely pulling a boehner. They will negotiate some things to be off the table...despite the constitution and any meaningful data.

AR15.com isn't even taking action and this affects their entire livelihood.

Know this: there isn't a single proposal on the table now that will do anything to keep children or public places safe. This is all about money and power.</div></div>

X2

 

[blackfoot]

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NRA made their deal with the devil 2 years ago. Harry Reid is coming back to haunt those who supported the NRA, who supported Harry Reid.

 

[317millhand]

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NFA items may not be affected right away, but Id be willing to bet that threaded barrels will be included in any future ban.

 

[tylerw02]

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Did you guys that said the NRA was caving listen today? They called for ending gun-free zones!

 

[rdinak]

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Some of us never forgot when these MF sold us out the first time!

 

[rdinak]

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[Jäger Wilhelm]

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Didn't Reid vote against the 1994 ban? I thought he did.

To the left the "gun show loophole" implies that this where people sell privately without any background checks. If they include private background checks in any new legislation, they will have an excuse to shut the shows down as they will claim it can't be enforced at shows. They have tried this before.

 

[Nathaniel4545]

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I would say wait to see the actual proposals. People are gouging and at this point it is all based on the idea that they are wanting a change. I know there may be a different direction this country is going I don't like it. I hope many people do not like it and stick up for their rights... Back to the main point if the do nothin on weapon change... Congrats gents you made an effort in helping the gouging!

 

[Creature]

Re: If a ban goes into effect can I still buy NFA cans

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HoytFlinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well </div></div>

Quit saying Gun Show Loophole! it doesn't exist! what people refer to as the GSL is really just a private sale, if they want to make a private sale illegal, then call it what it is. </div></div>

This is what I came here to post. They will try to restrict your ability to sell a firearm without them knowing about it. I fully believe this and think they will use this "loophole" to push this agenda.

It's important that we keep track of our representatives and how they act on this threat to liberty. The kids aren't even in the ground yet and the left is exploiting them for their political agenda. Sry for rant, urghhh....

 

[jonaddis84]

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People buy guns at gun shows? Ive never seen anyone trying to sell a used POS gun for less than new retail prices at a show before

 

[KYpatriot]

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If private sales end then by definition we will have a national registry. We all should know by now where that leads.

 

[1time]

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Silencers were ruled as flash hiders. That was one of the restricted features on semi auto rifles with detachable mags.
That meant you could not suppress a semi auto rifle that accepted detachable bags if the rifle had a folding or collapsible stock, a bayonet lug, a pistol grip, or a grenade launcher. It really limited what you could put them on.

 

[Stalking_Rhino]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1time</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Silencers were ruled as flash hiders. That was one of the restricted features on semi auto rifles with detachable mags.
That meant you could not suppress a semi auto rifle that accepted detachable bags if the rifle had a folding or collapsible stock, a bayonet lug, a pistol grip, or a grenade launcher. It really limited what you could put them on. </div></div>

Silencers never qualified under the '94 ban as a flash hider. Please provide documentation that it did.

The threaded barrel to accomodate a suppressor was the counted feature.

 

[Asm1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Simo Hayha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of us never forgot when these MF sold us out the first time!

</div></div>

What a bad one that was ...

 

[1time]

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http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/atf_letter51.txt

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
WASHINGTON, DC 20226

MAR 25 1999 903050:CHB
3311


Dear Mr. Bardwell:

This refers to your letter of January 13, 1999, in which you ask
about flash suppressors. As you are aware, the term flash
suppressor appears in the definition of a semiautomatic assault
weapon in section 921(a)(30) of Title 18, United States Code. The
term flash suppressor is not specifically defined in the statute.

A flash suppressor is a device which diminishes the visible flash
which occurs at the muzzle of a firearm as the bullet leaves the
barrel. While certain devices are exclusively designed as flash
suppressors, many other muzzle attachments are designed to perform
multiple functions such as a combination flash suppressor and
grenade launcher, or a combination flash suppressor and muzzle
break. Any such combination devices which function as a flash
suppressor would qualify as a flash suppressor for purposes of
section 921(a)(30)(B)(iv).

A firearm silencer or muffler would also function as an effective
flash suppressor; therefore, a semiautomatic rifle, such as an AR-
15, having a silencer or muffler and a pistol grip would qualify as
a semiautomatic assault weapon as that term is defined in section
921(a)(30)(B).

We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry.
If you have further questions concerning this matter, please
contact us.

Sincerely yours,


Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch

 

[Creature]

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Sure the 1994 ban didn't effect suppressors. I bet most proponents of the ban assume individuals can't even get them. If they learn about NFA items you'd better believe they're gonna attack them.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

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The (potential) issue is not with suppressors. The (potential) issue is with threaded barrels and specifically with the combination of evil features that would make having a threaded barrel a no go on a particular platform. This will likely not be an issue on a bolt action rifle. It could very easily become an issue on a semi auto rifle - esp if you are mating to a muzzle device of some sort (particularly a FH) and the rifle enjoys a PG and standard capacity magazines that are changed with the push of a button. The same could easily impact pistols. At this point all we can do is press hard on our representatives, partner with lobbyists, and wait for the language to drafted.



Good luck

 

[geevee35]

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The poster above makes an excellent post. It is too soon to tell how much action feinstein can garner. I personally doubt an AWB can get through the senate let alone the house but our representatives might feel compelled to do something. That might include suppressors and or threaded barrels. I am going to file for a suppressor as soon as I can find the one I want. so far, no luck.

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The (potential) issue is not with suppressors. The (potential) issue is with threaded barrels and specifically with the combination of evil features that would make having a threaded barrel a no go on a particular platform. This will likely not be an issue on a bolt action rifle. It could very easily become an issue on a semi auto rifle - esp if you are mating to a muzzle device of some sort (particularly a FH) and the rifle enjoys a PG and standard capacity magazines that are changed with the push of a button. The same could easily impact pistols. At this point all we can do is press hard on our representatives, partner with lobbyists, and wait for the language to drafted.</div></div>

Here you go: http://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/feinstein-gun-ban-nfa-registration/

It looks like they have added the following: "Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test"

My personal opinion is that the Gun Grabbers are going to over play their hand just like they are doing here and this thing will die in the Senate and never make it past a committee in the House.

I do agree 100% that you need to call your representatives and give some $$ to a lobying orginization to help stop this.

 

[woogie_man]

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Email and talk to the reps in your states.

Most of them are level headed people and will listen, especially if many people get a hold of them.

That and things are to soon to start crying about it, I see it as we are doing the same thing the other side is doing. Get ready for the worst and expect the worst, but I can't see them getting support for it. Hell even if it does get through the process, I can see many people filing complaints about it being non constitutional, and getting it carved back to less.

Keep an eye out and get ready for the possible fight to keep what we all enjoy.

 

[raider1v1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stoski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The title says it all. If they bring back the ban of 1994 can I still order supressors? Is it too soon to be talking about stuff like this? I just wanted to know if I needed to start buying all my cans right now. I can do it. It would break me alittle but i could do it. I have 2 cans ordered right now. would like 2-3 more. </div></div>

its nowhere in the links that i have seen.

 

[JelloStorm]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HoytFlinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well </div></div>

Quit saying Gun Show Loophole! it doesn't exist! what people refer to as the GSL is really just a private sale, if they want to make a private sale illegal, then call it what it is. </div></div>

The media has to call it something fucking retarded for the morons watching their shit-ass networks to easily remember.

 

[RangerWalker71]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JelloStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HoytFlinger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Obama wants the gun show loophole closed as well </div></div>

Quit saying Gun Show Loophole! it doesn't exist! what people refer to as the GSL is really just a private sale, if they want to make a private sale illegal, then call it what it is. </div></div>

The media has to call it something fucking retarded for the morons watching their shit-ass networks to easily remember. </div></div>

Amen Brother.

No more, NO more, Nothing, Don't give a inch.
NONE
SHALL
PASS

 

[Jared06]

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Well I do not think a reasonable person would say that background checks are not important is a sense. I am not too worried about gun control issues at this moment because I feel the politicians have a lot on the plate to be spending a lot of dedicated time to gun control issues or ideas. I do not feel we should give up rights, but if it looks like it is going that direction maybe we should concede the face to face sales without background checks for their conceding of class III designation of suppressors and SBR's. That law abiding citizens can purchase tax free suppressors and SBR's with an instant background check similar to any other firearm. Now I would go for that.

 

[117D-RTO]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jared06</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I do not think a reasonable person would say that background checks are not important is a sense. I am not too worried about gun control issues at this moment because I feel the politicians have a lot on the plate to be spending a lot of dedicated time to gun control issues or ideas. I do not feel we should give up rights, but if it looks like it is going that direction maybe we should concede the face to face sales without background checks for their conceding of class III designation of suppressors and SBR's. That law abiding citizens can purchase tax free suppressors and SBR's with an instant background check similar to any other firearm. Now I would go for that. </div></div>

We shouldn't concede anything, a new gun law restricting existing liberty isn't going to protect the children. Getting rid of gun free zones and allowing CHL in schools would be something that would change the situation for these mass murders. I do agree on SBR/Suppressors coming off the NFA, I do not agree that we should lose the right to sell firearms face to face. The real reason I think they want to limit this is so they can have their database and confiscate firearms at a future date.