Re: Illegal Immigrant Sex
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtask</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My father is a doc and the notion that it is somehow OK in your passive comment that he, any other doc, hospital or entity should have to "eat the cost" is as misguided and wrong as you are claiming other comments here to be. You're OK with <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> sense of entitlement but not OK with the sense of entitlement an American has and his/her grievances about not having that same deal?
Your notion that birthright is the determining factor on the perceived benefits of heathcare is twisted at best. It is a LEGAL issue not a RACIAL issue. You seem to make it an empathy or emotional issue. Why?
Not only that, you gave your brief explanation of your nice financial (a jab at another member in the form of "I pay more tax than you") and comfortable living arrangements as a basis for you case of how you could be so openminded but in actuality, you make a stronger case for the opposite. Having lived south of our border for many years, I can say with surety that those "3rd world" inhabitants don't feel that they are less and need the help and sympathetic view and soft stance. Mortality rates certainly aren't tied to the number of alleys present (that is a medical personnel training issue among many other things). Those that feel entitled are the ones breaking the law HERE and want to do everything in their power to stay and be the exception to every rule - EXCEPT for actually doing it the right way by going home and getting it done legally. There is a real reason why some FEAR the process of naturalization and you seem to not acknowledge that fact.
Are you going to still feel the same level of empathy if, god forbid, you lost your job and your home and took one of your kids into the hospital and you get the bill from EVERY single person that even walked into the room at the hospital and the illegal in the next room with the SAME issues gets their bills waived?
The current situation that the US has created by not having a hardline deportation stance has created a dependency that is breeding hostility and entitlement by those who would take everything without offering anything other than that of a days labor. No assimilation, no learning the language - hell, we still call everyone (insert ethnicity)_____American instead of just plain American. Don't you see that there is a direct link between the economy's health and the number of illegals coming into this country?
There are many American men and women who are here legally or or are fortunate enough to be born American (not talking about "anchor babies" here), who, as you pointed out, are poor and unemployed but also who just want to provide a better life for themselves and their family.
It is my opinion that they should be first in line to receive any and all benefit of healthcare and labor in this country.
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A bit rambling, but I'll attempt to reply where explanation of my statement seems warranted. At that point I feel I've said my peace, I could continue to respond to the seemingly endless stream of people who wander in here who take exception to my view (or some tangential aspect of the topic) but it would sway neither party so it really is pointless and this is the last you'll hear from me on this.
First, my wife is a doc too so no I'm not happy about the fact that she often has to get up @ 3 am to go visit a patient (immigrant or otherwise, usually otherwise) in the hospital whom she knows will never pay her. My statement regarding who is having to swallow those costs was not intended as a tacit approval of the situation. It was an attempt to point out that unless you were a doc or a MAJOR owner of a healthcare system then you sound kind of silly whining about the cost of treating the indigent.
My description of sympathy for day laborers was not intended to imply that they needed or deserved my help, charity, or otherwise. It was a direct response to the previous post describing "How could you NOT be pissed off when you pay $30,000 in income taxes alone, and someone else is not only getting all pay under the table but can occasion scam their way into reaping America's benefits." I described how I could hold no malice for the fact that day laborers probably paid little to no income tax even though I pay quite a bit.
Another thing that keeps us going in circles is that inevitably these arguments runs back to "but it's the law and they're breaking it." Yes, it is the law. And they are breaking it. And I do think the law should be enforced. But what I'm arguing against is the emotional vitriol that is being stirred up within the masses. Enforcement of the law and emotional responses to feeling victimized, especially indirectly, do not necessarily go hand in hand. In fact, it is my belief that the world works best when they are kept as separate as possible.
If my wife and I were to lose our jobs and become destitute, should we go into the hospital then we'd get our bills waved as indigent patients the same as everyone else. Sure, it would be difficult and painful but that is part of life. The only real difference would be exactly HOW destitute are we? Family of 4 making $60k a year? We'd get a fair bit of help but it would still probably take a significant chunk of our resources. Completely wiped out and living in a box, well then they'd get less from us. Not because of some entitlement (well, as citizens we probably would qualify for some entitlement or another, my wife would know better than I) but because you simply can't get blood out of a turnip.
Clearly there is a lot of hate and frustration out there. Historically that is normal during times of economic difficulty and political elements have also historically leveraged this frustration to sway the masses towards their end goals. As humans we are evolved to divide into tribes and define things in an 'us vs. them' mentality. Our brains look for that and it makes us feel better when we have someone to blame our problems on.
Elvis has left the building.
