Rifle Scopes I'm brand new to scopes. Does this scope exist?

[Venomgland]

I'm looking for a FFP variable with mil dots with a high power (ex. 5-25x50) for shooting out to 1000yds. I'll primary be at a range that go's up to 500yds, but I know of one not to far that reaches out to 1000yds. I definitely plan on making trips there more then a few times a year.

I chose this reticle cause it is simple to me. When you start adding all the hash marks and the christmas tree lines under the horizontal line. It just gets to busy for me. Whats everyones opnion on that thinking, or I should I learn the busier reticles cause they would be better in the long run?

If anyone can post me links so I can start doing some research that would be awesome! I'm also trying not to break the bank and keeping it under $1500.

Thanks

 

[gconnoyer]

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-18x50-34mm-md1-reticle.6931133/#post-7587196

The extra hashes (typically at .5 mil) are for wind holds. 1 Mil is too coarse, for most applications.
Lost of guys think .5 is too coarse and prefer .2 holds.

 

[gr8fuldoug]

I have a few scopes that you might consider:

Hawke Frontier FFP 5-25x56 SF - FFP Mil Ext. Illuminated #18330

Hawke Sidewinder FFP 6-24x56 - Mill Illuminated Sidewinder #17420

Leupold VX-3iLRP, #172343

Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 - APRS2 FFP MIL

 

[JMGlasgow]

Used Steiner M5Xi 5-25 with G2B or MSR reticle.

Used Vortex Razor 2 4.5-27 mrad with the ebr-1c reticle

Burris XTR2 5-25 mrad with either the SCR or G2B reticle

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Honestly, I started off with a mildot because I thought a tree-type reticle was too busy. When I later upgraded to a scope with a tree (Bushnell XRS with G2, to be exact) it took me about 5 minutes to realize how limiting a straight mildot reticle was. They may be intimidating for a minute (and some of them are honestly too damn busy for my tastes... H59, I'm lookin' at you...), but they're a huge improvement ofer the plain old mildot.

 

[davsco]

look at trijicon. i have an older 2.5-10-56 that has the basic mildot reticle, guessing they have higher powered ones like that as well.

 

[W54/XM-388]

You can get the S&B 5-25x56 scope mil/mil First Focal Plane with the mildot
Probably used in the $2000 range which would be a better deal in my opinion than spending a bunch for some lesser ones.

If you don't see one for sale, you could probably put out a WTB or offer to swap for a P4F or something like that and I'm sure somebody would take you up on the offer.

 

[spife7980]

All the different dashes do the same thing as your plain mildot, the only difference is they have more points of reference for more exacting data.

Say you miss: are you .4, .5 or .6 mils low? With your standard mildot youre going to have to proportion it in your mind. With the .2 dashes you can just measure it directly.


Do you want your tape measure to only give you whole inches? No, for most applications its limiting. You want to tell 1/8, 1/4, 1/2" so you can be more accurate in your cuts.


Now, if you know you dont care about that then fine, enjoy the mildot. I have one myself. Just dont brush the more advanced reticles off just because you dont want to think about anything though, youll be doing yourself a disservice.

Even if you dont want a christmas tree look at the SCR reticles or something like that which allows you to get .5 mil elevation and .2 mil windage measurements.

But I guess ignorance is bliss so maybe you wont be frustrated by the lack of detail if you dont know theres detail to be had in the first place.

 

[HogsLife]

I spent ALOT of time behind a straight mil dot reticle. With practice, it can be used with fairly high degree of success. However, like some of the previous posters noted, there are MUCH better reticles available that “with a little bit of practice” can be used with a very high degree of success and less guess work.

I personally love the Khales SKMR3 reticle. Some done, but it’s one of my favorites. I don’t do the Horus reticles. Way to much going on and I don’t like having to adjust my POI down after a hold over shot so that I can get that Christmas Tree out of way to see my impact.

Some of the Khales 6-24x56 with SKMR3 reticles can be had here in the Hide PX for $1800-2100, and the Vortex Razor Gen 2’s for around the same price point. Like most here state, when you get into the upper echelon scopes (ie Vortex, S&B, NF, Khales etc) a lot of the scope choice really just comes down to which one has the reticle you like.

Another note in regards to holds (elevation and windage) ...

Yes a mil bot reticle is simpler but harder to be precise with, and modern reticles busier but easier to be precise with.....

 

[steve123]

OP, beware, there's FFP scopes with CW/clockwise turrets, as well as CCW/counter clockwise turrets, a lot of the CW turrets were in the older mildot scopes when they were popular like 100 years ago . BTW normal to Americans are the CCW turrets.

Also the mixing of MOA turrets and MIl reticles aren't the most convenient thing to have.

I have one mildot scope, it's kinda fun actually.

But like other mentioned those scary hashes all over the place in the recent more modern reticles provide finer measurements or holds.

 

[phantomskittles]

Second the recommendation for the gen2 Razor with ebr-1c. They are coming down to the 1500-1600 range used.

 

[EchoDeltaSierra]

You may want to look at something like the SCR reticle found in the Burris or Steiner scopes. Having shot mildot and xmas tree reticle, it’s a nice inbetween and having used that reticle for a few years, I don’t get lost but still get precise measurements to 1000 meters and beyond.

 

[scwhit]

IF you want a straight mil-dot you can look at SWFA SS HD 5-20

 

[Combloc]

SWFA 5-20 was the first thing that came to my mind as well.

 

[Cat64]

Second the recommendation for the gen2 Razor with ebr-1c. They are coming down to the 1500-1600 range used.

And third on this. Just got one a few weeks ago and love it. I just moved to FFP and mils and for me it works great.

 

[patriot07]

SWFA 5-20 was the first thing that came to my mind as well.

I'll 3rd that suggestion. Mil-quad is perfect if you want simple, and the scope has good glass, good tracking, and is built like a tank.

 

[patriot07]

And third on this. Just got one a few weeks ago and love it. I just moved to FFP and mils and for me it works great.

Also not a bad suggestion. Probably the best 2 simple reticles in this price range, with the best glass and best quality.

 

[clcustom1911]

SWFA Mil-Quad FFP

Yeahhhhhh

 

[Bender]

Used Weaver 5-30x56. LOW made

Simple reticle. Have to find one used. Built like a tank. Zero tool zeroing.

 

[Venomgland]

That SWFA SS HD 5-20 doesn't seem to bad. I have to keep learning and researching. I've been reading and looking into scopes for about 2 weeks. I never dreamed it would be this complicated.

I also like the Vortex scopes. Other then BassPro. Anyone know a place that you can go and get hands on with all these? I went to BassPro last weekend and they where just as clueless as I was when I was asking questions.

 

[Rebels010]

That SWFA SS HD 5-20 doesn't seem to bad. I have to keep learning and researching. I've been reading and looking into scopes for about 2 weeks. I never dreamed it would be this complicated.

I also like the Vortex scopes. Other then BassPro. Anyone know a place that you can go and get hands on with all these? I went to BassPro last weekend and they where just as clueless as I was when I was asking questions.

The SWFA scope comes up used on the forum quite often. Or depending on your time frame, they usually have a tax day sale in April.

 

[beretta_man11]

Another option may be the Weaver Tactical 5-30x56 with the Mildot. At one time, Natchez was selling them for $700, which is a great deal.

 

[Venomgland]

The SWFA scope comes up used on the forum quite often. Or depending on your time frame, they usually have a tax day sale in April.

I am not 100% sold on it yet, but I'll keep an eye out. Thanks

 

[scwhit]

@Venomgland I have analysis paralysis as well and I can research my self to death, usually it pays off though.

 

[levi8599]

my first scope was standard mildot. It was also my last standard mildot scope. It worked but hashes are cleaner and easier for me to read and the tree helps a lot once you start stretching it out. for $1500 there are a ton of options out there that will fit your needs.

 

[Venomgland]

my first scope was standard mildot. It was also my last standard mildot scope. It worked but hashes are cleaner and easier for me to read and the tree helps a lot once you start stretching it out. for $1500 there are a ton of options out there that will fit your needs.

Yeah, I'm starting to learn about that. I'm just going to have to learn how to use one and get used to hashtags

 

[phantomskittles]

The SWFA SS is a great scope also. It was my first over $1k scope and I never once regretted getting it. The reticle some people love while some hate. Mechanically though mine has always performed well. The glass may be a little behind a Razor but still better than nearly anything at that price point. Wait till tax day or black Friday and the non illuminated is usually under $1k.

 

[Venomgland]

The SWFA SS is a great scope also. It was my first over $1k scope and I never once regretted getting it. The reticle some people love while some hate. Mechanically though mine has always performed well. The glass may be a little behind a Razor but still better than nearly anything at that price point. Wait till tax day or black Friday and the non illuminated is usually under $1k.

Tax return was spent on the rifle and black Friday is to far away. I hoping by my birthday at the end of May or sooner.

 

[Hagen]

[QUOTE="Venomgland, post: 7590907, member: 13523ssPro last weekend and they where just as clueless as I was when I was asking questions.
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[Hagen]

Not sure what I did in last post. The person thats selling scopes this week was selling hunting boots last week at Bass Pro, thats why they know nothing. The swfa is solid and around April 15th they have excellent sales. Great scope with simple/solid reticle.

 

[Vargmat]

Mil-Dot just plain works, I like my 5.5-22x56 Nightforce NXS almost as much as I like my Schmidt PM2. If you can live with SFP then have a look at a classic, like the NXS. They are hard to fault.

 

[Aqua Mark]

You can start off with a 6-24x50 bushnell with illuminated mildot, FFP for about $600. I have one new in box laying around if interested.

 

[Venomgland]

You can start off with a 6-24x50 bushnell with illuminated mildot, FFP for about $600. I have one new in box laying around if interested.

Let me do some research and I'll get back to you. Thanks

 

[Loonhunter]

You sure you need ffp? If you’re shooting known distances then you probably don’t. Ffp scopes aren’t better or worse then sfp, just more costly to make. Although if you plan to shoot in competitions some day then you probably should go with a ffp. Otherwise save a few bucks.

 

[acudaowner]

steel targets ? or little groups on paper ? just wondering cause at 10x50x60 my sightron s 3 in clear cold air I loose visibility at 600 yards of anything smaller than a 224 on paper if the shade trees are blowing shadows around a lot but can defiantly see the painted steel impacts much better.
could be my range hard to tell its darker at the 600 yard end with a hard backboard directly in front of berm so no light from holes . think i would have to have a spotter or a target camera to see impacts further out on paper and even harder in hotter weather i imagine