Informative article on CB caps vs air rifle

[steve123]

http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blo...pellets-part-1/

The rest of the 5 part article.

http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/tag/centerpoint-8-32×56ao-scope/

 

[Beastinisgr8]

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Most PCP air rifles are much louder. I have owned many and the cost to fill and shoot them are much more expensive than to shoot a .22lr

 

[steve123]

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I'll have to disagree with you in certain aspects but let's look at some advantages and disadvantages either way. I'll try to compare apples to apples as much as possible. There are always exceptions to the rule though and what works for one person may not for another.

The initial investment to get a PCP air rifle,pump or tank is going to cost more than a cheap 22 rimfire. But not any more than the nicer rimfires. So if you already have a 22 rimfire the 22 is of course cheaper to buy CB caps for but will they be accurate in your gun? Me personally, 2-3" groups at 50Y is totally unacceptable also they are going very slow at 500-600 fps. Through the years I've tried various CB type 22's and they shoot horrible in my guns.
Overall in the long run, considering accuracy and cost, with CB's vs air guns, the air gun is cheaper to shoot and more accurate.

A very important thing to consider. Where I live It's illegal to discharge a firearm. However it's legal to shoot a air rifle. If I want to go shoot my firearms I have to invest at least 2 hours in the trip and of course gas. Convenience goes to the air rifle and I can get a lot more trigger time in.
Don't get me wrong either, I love shooting all types of firearms.

Most PCP's these day's come with a moderator/LDC/suppressor and are much quieter than a 22lr and most of the time are more quiet than CB caps. That doesn't even count spring air rifles or 5ftlb 10 meter air guns. Which don't make hardly any noise.
Overall the airgun makes less noise.

I shoot probably 7000-9000 pellets a year and it only cost's $22 to fill my scuba tank to do so. I'm filling 2 air pistols and 4 air rifles from 5lbs to 35 lbs of energy. To me that's very cheap.

$7-$11 a tin of 500 for match grade pellets. In comparison Wolf ME for instance is $7 a box of 50 rounds. The more expensive match 22's are $20 a box. Most cheap bulk 22's are not going to be as accurate than a match grade pellet out of a decent PCP either.

 

[Beastinisgr8]

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Good comparison! they both have advantages. I went from owning a few PCP air rifles to a very cheap .22lr because of college. My favorite was my fx gladiator with an ldc. Where i live neither are legal to shoot so i have to drive an hour each way.

 

[isaaccarlson]

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I used to a lot of PCP shooting and gave it up for cost/convenience. Most airguns are not regulated and have a velocity curve. You have to tote all the equipment with you wherever you go and you can't shoot all day without having to fill it back up. You might as well figure $1500-2000 for a good air rifle with a scope and some equipment if not a lot more. I had a lot stuck into my PCP and it was very accurate and quiet, but I had to fill it up and had to take stuff with me. I don't have to do that with my 22LR. All I need is ammo, which is cheaper than sorting/sizing pellets and not being able to use half of them for precision work. This is just my experience, yours will vary.

 

[condor22]

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I see no advantage for either, in a normal environment. If you're restricted, somehow, in your environment, I see that as a handicap, not an advantage for either weapon. Unless you're using a spring, pump or co2 gas gun, even a rimfire, support equipment is not needed. bullets, Pellets and spare co2 carts, fit perfectly in my pockets.

My PCP was not regulated, was louder than my CCI standard velocity, and pellets cost more 'n rimfire bullets, 2 88 cu ft scuba tanks (rimfire don't need 'em) cost to fill and drive/gas to the air filling station-Nearest dive shop. I still like and miss/seller's remorse my PCP. I killed a couple of crows at 100m by the parallax ring on my SS 10x42. Could a been luck, but I had no problem killing beer cans at the same distance for practice. I got about 30 hard hitting shots and if you had to about 10 more shots, dropping .5inch per shot.

I like the statement my air rifle out shot my friends Fire arm. I won't dispute that statement. But my response is don't restrict my fire arm to you air guns range. How bout we stretch the target out to 200 yards, but my airgun won't shoot that far? So guess what my fire arm is more accurate than your air gun when not restricted by air gun parameters-duh!

Keep your velocity below the Sound barrier, both PCP/Rimfire can easily exceed it. Lowers the noise level drastically.

CCI has started manufacturing a .22lr round called the CCI Quiet, .22lr 40 grain, rn, 710fps mv. Looks interesting for use in the hood, if you're restricted. But the CCI Standard Velocity 40gr rn 1070fps mv is my quiet backyard round.


Sam

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: isaaccarlson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used to a lot of PCP shooting and gave it up for cost/convenience. Most airguns are not regulated and have a velocity curve. You have to tote all the equipment with you wherever you go and you can't shoot all day without having to fill it back up. You might as well figure $1500-2000 for a good air rifle with a scope and some equipment if not a lot more. I had a lot stuck into my PCP and it was very accurate and quiet, but I had to fill it up and had to take stuff with me. I don't have to do that with my 22LR. All I need is ammo, which is cheaper than sorting/sizing pellets and not being able to use half of them for precision work. This is just my experience, yours will vary. </div></div>

Looking at it from your perspective and mine as well partly, I'd much rather take a 22 rimfire with ammo the gun likes and go shoot long range(for a 22), hunt or plink if I have to make a drive. I use my airguns primarily for practice and hunting around the house with the exception being going to air gun match's.

Remember the context of the article is airguns vs CB cap type 22 ammo not full power 22 vs airgun.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beastinisgreat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good comparison! they both have advantages. I went from owning a few PCP air rifles to a very cheap .22lr because of college. My favorite was my fx gladiator with an ldc. Where i live neither are legal to shoot so i have to drive an hour each way. </div></div>

Hey if I were in your situation I'd be doing the same thing. Grabbing a firearm.

When you graduate and are making good money then you can visit PCP's again.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: condor22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see no advantage for either, in a normal environment. If you're restricted, somehow, in your environment, I see that as a handicap, not an advantage for either weapon. Unless you're using a spring, pump or co2 gas gun, even a rimfire, support equipment is not needed. bullets, Pellets and spare co2 carts, fit perfectly in my pockets.

My PCP was not regulated, was louder than my CCI standard velocity, and pellets cost more 'n rimfire bullets, 2 88 cu ft scuba tanks (rimfire don't need 'em) cost to fill and drive/gas to the air filling station-Nearest dive shop. I still like and miss/seller's remorse my PCP. I killed a couple of crows at 100m by the parallax ring on my SS 10x42. Could a been luck, but I had no problem killing beer cans at the same distance for practice. I got about 30 hard hitting shots and if you had to about 10 more shots, dropping .5inch per shot.

I like the statement my air rifle out shot my friends Fire arm. I won't dispute that statement. But my response is don't restrict my fire arm to you air guns range. How bout we stretch the target out to 200 yards, but my airgun won't shoot that far? So guess what my fire arm is more accurate than your air gun when not restricted by air gun parameters-duh!

Keep your velocity below the Sound barrier, both PCP/Rimfire can easily exceed it. Lowers the noise level drastically.

CCI has started manufacturing a .22lr round called the CCI Quiet, .22lr 40 grain, rn, 710fps mv. Looks interesting for use in the hood, if you're restricted. But the CCI Standard Velocity 40gr rn 1070fps mv is my quiet backyard round.


Sam

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I envy people that can shoot firearms right out their back door. Good for you.

I appreciate the attributes of every gun I own because they all have a purpose for which I use them.

My airguns are what I can shoot out my back door and I love not having to use eye and ear protection to enjoy them. Not to mention all but one of my airguns are incredibly accurate. The one that isn't all that accurate is still is capable of hitting a quarter at 25Y every time.

Yes it is a hassle to haul around the scuba tank. I'll use a 22 rimfire or use the 60 shots that one fill will give me in the PCP if I'm out walking around hunting or plinking.

 

[RH4540]

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Both of my .22s will do an inch at 100 yards with ammo they like, and a calm day, but, with CB caps, Aguila Super Colibries, they are lucky to do 2" groups at 25 yards.

I picked up a used Benjaman Discovery, put a "stabilizer" on it, and it is quieter than any of the .22 ammo, and will do 1/2" groups at 50 yards with pellets it likes.The starlings that try to raid my wife's bird feeder haven't stood a chance since I got it!

 

[VYD]

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Steve, as far as an argument about .22 airgun vs .22 CB caps, I see no valid reason to even compare. CB caps stand no chance. Even a mediocre quality air rifle will out shoot caps at any airgun distance. Take a high quality, high precision airgun into this equation, and they will challenge ANY .22LR rimfire in existence out to 50 yards. I am sure you know exactly what I am talking about. Some high end airguns cost a lot more than high end rimfires.

As far as complaints about initial expense of shooting PCPs, well, all you really need is a high quality pump which is under $300. That's it! Sure, 4500 psi tanks are nice but such a luxury will requre one to have a place close by that can fill to such pressures without giving you crap. It's like paying extra for custom wheels on your car. You don't have to have it, but you want it. Besides, keep in mind that once you are over that barrier of purchasing extra equipment, you are all done and the same equipment can be used on many other PCPs you own or will own in the future.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VYD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, as far as an argument about .22 airgun vs .22 CB caps, I see no valid reason to even compare. CB caps stand no chance. Even a mediocre quality air rifle will out shoot caps at any airgun distance. Take a high quality, high precision airgun into this equation, and they will challenge ANY .22LR rimfire in existence out to 50 yards. I am sure you know exactly what I am talking about. Some high end airguns cost a lot more than high end rimfires.

As far as complaints about initial expense of shooting PCPs, well, all you really need is a high quality pump which is under $300. That's it! Sure, 4500 psi tanks are nice but such a luxury will requre one to have a place close by that can fill to such pressures without giving you crap. It's like paying extra for custom wheels on your car. You don't have to have it, but you want it. Besides, keep in mind that once you are over that barrier of purchasing extra equipment, you are all done and the same equipment can be used on many other PCPs you own or will own in the future. </div></div>

VYD,

As well put as it is true.

 

[fcsurvivor]

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Not real sure what you want them for, but here is my experience. I have a deal with a local community to keep down the Gopher population in their cemetary. I started out using some fairly high-end air rifles, but ended up using a dedicated .22lr bolt action, with CCI CB Longs. Accurate enough to hit the little guys as far as I have to shoot (50-60 yards is the longest shot). Anyway that has been what works for me.

 

[steve123]

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What made you switch and how accurate are the CB longs?

 

[9H_Cracka]

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It also comes down to what your accuracy requirements are to support the type of training you are doing. Steve's air rifles will shoot a 1/4" group at 50 yards and will hold consistent elevation out to 80 yards, therefore he shoots at very small targets. Knocking down or hitting larger targets with a less accurate rifle at the same distances is of little value. You'd be better off dry firing or using an electronic trainer if you are truly interested in refining your position and execution skills.

Colibri ammo is a compelling option for some basic training in a restricted environment I would say. It has its place.

 

[KAman9803]

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I saw earlier that someone posted about getting 2"-3" groups with CBs and that got me curious. I've always used CBs to shoot in my backyard but have never really tried to get a good idea on how accurate they are. So I locked the dogs up and set up on my dining room table shooting out the back door. Distance to target is right at 45yds. Forgot to say, this is with CCI CB longs.

5rds out of my 10/22.

With called flyer.

It seems that CBs can shoot very well. Now I'm not saying they're perfect, neither of my 77/22s will shoot them this well and I'm sure a nice PCP air rifle would shoot better, but for my uses I really don't need much more.

 

[KAman9803]

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I want to go ahead and say that I'm not claiming 1/2" groups to be the norm with CBs in this gun. Typical groups are about 1" with about 25% of the groups getting around that 1/2" mark. Not as consistent as normal ammo but not nearly as inaccurate as some people claim CBs to be.

 

[steve123]

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That's pretty accurate! Your gun obviously likes that brand.

Nothing to complain about there.