Suppressors Integral or attached

Shootinsurveyor

Shootinsurveyor

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I was at a gunsmith shop today and he demoed a integrally suppressed 10/22 and muzzle attached 10/22. The integral one was quieter by a decent bit. He said the guy who makes them for him can do either for any rifle centerfire or rimfire. Yes the operation is on the up and up. I haven't seen any intregral centerfire here so I thought I would seek out opinions between the two. I think it was 650 to get the 10/22 integrally suppressed and 450 for the muzzle attached model, not including ATF tax fee. I figure there is a reason why most go with muzzle attached, but I would like to hear the reasoning.
 
#4
Re: Integral or attached

The integral will be a one trick pony, once a 10/22 and always a 10/22. A thread on can go on a 10/22, then to your pistol, then on a 22 AR upper, then....well you get the point.

If you had others then I'd say sure why not the integral, but since it sounds like your first then I'd say get something you can play with on other toys and buy the integral about 4 cans from now.
 
#5
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I have both. I have an integral from Doug Melton at SRT Arms. Very quiet, very accurate, and will function with any ammo. I have several .22 host weapons. Ruger, Sig, Browning, Glock Arms conversion that I shoot an AAC Pilot, and an SRT 17 HMR-22 Mag. Not as quiet, fun to shoot, and it is very convenient to be able to switch host weapons.
If you are going to inquire about integral's ask if they will work with all types of ammunition. One of my first purchases was a 10/22 integral that only functions with Rem golden bee. After the purchase the builder informed me of this. My bad. Just trying to help.
 
#6
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The can does give you the ability to swith hosts easily. I've got an a gemtech outback two that hops back and forth from my 10/22 and my walther P22 pistol.

In2b8u,

I've got one of Doug's camp 45's, he does some brilliant work and I LOVE that gun. Great around the house for whacking 'yotes/varmints out to 100yds or so.

Breeze
 
#8
Re: Integral or attached

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"The reason for a single point attached centerfire suppressor is because it is more accurate than an integral centerfire."

I would say this <span style="font-weight: bold">is not the case</span>, the integrals, the good ones, are considerably more accurate than the single point. The reason for this is that the .22 barrel is held under considerable compression, directly effecting barrel frequencies (whip) and increasing accuracy. This is the case for both pistols and rifles. My most accurate .22s are all integrals, the single points don't come close.

The topic cycles through here quiet a bit. I recommend the following threads:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...771#Post2630771

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=223981&Number=2531826

There are advantageous and disadvantages, but without a doubt, the quietest, most accurate .22 rifles and pistols in the world are all integrals. If you can afford them and know what constitutes a thoughtful and advanced build out, they will shame any single point .22 hands down.

These systems are also tuned to a particular .22 round (again, if it is not, it is a poor system) allowing for not only the quietest and most accurate systems but also the most uniform and most powerful subsonic terminal energies possible. One absolutely and categorically does not ever need to shoot subsonic out of a modern integral system. If your integral sounds quieter with subs, well you have a poor system.

 
#11
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Zero chance that Shootin was looking at anything other than .22s.

The issues surrounding integral applications in centerfires is worthy of its own thread. Porting and bleeding is a huge problem. Centerfires integrals are less accurate. Heat raises its ugly head as well.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zero chance that Shootin was looking at anything other than .22s.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shootinsurveyor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I haven't seen any intregral centerfire here so I thought I would seek out opinions between the two. </div></div>

That's why I mentioned the centerfire integrals.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you were right. </div></div>

No sir, You were right....
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#16
Re: Integral or attached

One should not make the mistake of confusing an "integral" suppressor with a "dedicated" suppressor. One utilizes a ported barrel, the other is a standard single point can welded to the end of a barrel, usually to achieve an OAL of 16". They are very different suppressors with very different results.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reason for a single point attached centerfire suppressor is because it is more accurate than an integral centerfire. </div></div>

Not correct, unless it's just used for playing.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reason for a single point attached centerfire suppressor is because it is more accurate than an integral centerfire. </div></div>

Not correct, unless it's just used for playing.
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Didn't we just do this?
 
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