I am really dying to get my hands on an integral sound suppressor for my .308 FN PBR xp. I am completely new to the purchase of such firearm modifications. However, I am familiar with the tax stamp process and $200 fee, I just want to know some opinions on where a good integral suppressor could be purchased for my weapon. I cannot further stress the word "<span style="font-style: italic">integral</span>", for this is the type I am looking for (dreaming for, wishing for). It is to my knowledge that these can be and probably will be expensive, but I am willing to pay the price for such a beautiful addition to my sniper rifle.
Suppressors Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
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Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
well, integral suppressors have some inherent problems, as the barrel wears out "throat erosion" the only thing that can be done is cutting the receiver end and rechambering, because the tube or outer area of the suppressor is the registered part, and also the barrel. also the acidic compound created corrodes the "crown" of the barrel. it can be done, we have done it. we use an 1.25 barrel, we no longer do this but stw systems can do it. try them.
well, integral suppressors have some inherent problems, as the barrel wears out "throat erosion" the only thing that can be done is cutting the receiver end and rechambering, because the tube or outer area of the suppressor is the registered part, and also the barrel. also the acidic compound created corrodes the "crown" of the barrel. it can be done, we have done it. we use an 1.25 barrel, we no longer do this but stw systems can do it. try them.
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
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Not necessarily, not by a long shot...but before we get to that part.
Ns, why do you want an integral suppressor on that particular rifle? Why not a blast can?
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Not necessarily, not by a long shot...but before we get to that part.
Ns, why do you want an integral suppressor on that particular rifle? Why not a blast can?
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..
Not necessarily, not by a long shot...but before we get to that part.
Ns, why do you want an integral suppressor on that particular rifle? Why not a blast can? </div></div>
This.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..
Not necessarily, not by a long shot...but before we get to that part.
Ns, why do you want an integral suppressor on that particular rifle? Why not a blast can? </div></div>
This.
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suppressedweapons</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well, integral suppressors have some inherent problems, as the barrel wears out "throat erosion" the only thing that can be done is cutting the receiver end and rechambering, because the tube or outer area of the suppressor is the registered part, and also the barrel. also the acidic compound created corrodes the "crown" of the barrel. it can be done, we have done it. we use an 1.25 barrel, we no longer do this but stw systems can do it. try them. </div></div>
What if the platform is an AI - AE Covert in which the suppressor is actually removed?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suppressedweapons</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well, integral suppressors have some inherent problems, as the barrel wears out "throat erosion" the only thing that can be done is cutting the receiver end and rechambering, because the tube or outer area of the suppressor is the registered part, and also the barrel. also the acidic compound created corrodes the "crown" of the barrel. it can be done, we have done it. we use an 1.25 barrel, we no longer do this but stw systems can do it. try them. </div></div>
What if the platform is an AI - AE Covert in which the suppressor is actually removed?
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
Don't integral suppressors tap off gasses along the full length of the barrel (or most of it), which reduces MV?
Don't integral suppressors tap off gasses along the full length of the barrel (or most of it), which reduces MV?
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
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KYS,
The best way to think of rifle caliber integrals is to consider them dedicated sub-sonic rifles. Otherwise there is little reason to use an integral design as integral barrels can provide four distinct advantageous.
First is the obvious one, make the barrel an active component of suppression. Its role? an active portal to divert gas prior to the blast component. Subsonic projectile flight is the goal.
Second, and less well understood is any effort within the design to capture the barrel by the external envelope, thereby improving the harmonics of the barrel.
The third is the rare requirement to provide the operator with a barrel thats profile belies the fact that the barrel is suppressed. At best, those barrel look like bull barrels. We include here any requirement to use integrals to reduce OAL.
And lastly the fourth, the term is applied to suppressor delivered to states within the U.S. that disallow threaded barrels. These are commonly called the AWB States. As a result a blast can is permanently attached to a standard barrel. Whereas these are commonly refered to as "integrals", they would be better refered to as a "dedicated" suppressor.
And that takes us to your question. The term integral as opposed to "dedicated" means confusion where some hosts design suppressors that must be attached to a specific host barrel profile. Like...The Covert. The Covert is essentially a swing stock AWS (suppressed) which uses subsonic ammuntion, in other words the barrel does not tap gas. 300m range. That barrel can, as you suggest, be replaced independant of the dedicated "blast" can.
The result of true integral gas tapping...
As a direct result of the #1, the barrel life is much shorter in a rifle caliber integral for a whole host of reasons. Many simply approach the problem by turning down the barrel to a pencil this profile and start tapping until the selected cartridge/load results is subsonic. There is much more to it than that, tap design and placement is the game. High heat, capture and dispersement early by taping of a host of caustic gases and then laying them on top of a captured barrel has real consequences. A integral can be a tour de force of tuning and when it is on a bolt gun, the quietest of all suppressed weapons, providing 3 out of 5. Round count is managed to a minimum in rifle calibers, whereas in a .22 it isn't required. In either, accuracy can be vastly improved as #2 comes into play.
I doubt ns505 hs come to realize that he is better served in almost all regards with a blast can.
P.S. Best integral .22 rifles use a single gas port...one.
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KYS,
The best way to think of rifle caliber integrals is to consider them dedicated sub-sonic rifles. Otherwise there is little reason to use an integral design as integral barrels can provide four distinct advantageous.
First is the obvious one, make the barrel an active component of suppression. Its role? an active portal to divert gas prior to the blast component. Subsonic projectile flight is the goal.
Second, and less well understood is any effort within the design to capture the barrel by the external envelope, thereby improving the harmonics of the barrel.
The third is the rare requirement to provide the operator with a barrel thats profile belies the fact that the barrel is suppressed. At best, those barrel look like bull barrels. We include here any requirement to use integrals to reduce OAL.
And lastly the fourth, the term is applied to suppressor delivered to states within the U.S. that disallow threaded barrels. These are commonly called the AWB States. As a result a blast can is permanently attached to a standard barrel. Whereas these are commonly refered to as "integrals", they would be better refered to as a "dedicated" suppressor.
And that takes us to your question. The term integral as opposed to "dedicated" means confusion where some hosts design suppressors that must be attached to a specific host barrel profile. Like...The Covert. The Covert is essentially a swing stock AWS (suppressed) which uses subsonic ammuntion, in other words the barrel does not tap gas. 300m range. That barrel can, as you suggest, be replaced independant of the dedicated "blast" can.
The result of true integral gas tapping...
As a direct result of the #1, the barrel life is much shorter in a rifle caliber integral for a whole host of reasons. Many simply approach the problem by turning down the barrel to a pencil this profile and start tapping until the selected cartridge/load results is subsonic. There is much more to it than that, tap design and placement is the game. High heat, capture and dispersement early by taping of a host of caustic gases and then laying them on top of a captured barrel has real consequences. A integral can be a tour de force of tuning and when it is on a bolt gun, the quietest of all suppressed weapons, providing 3 out of 5. Round count is managed to a minimum in rifle calibers, whereas in a .22 it isn't required. In either, accuracy can be vastly improved as #2 comes into play.
I doubt ns505 hs come to realize that he is better served in almost all regards with a blast can.
P.S. Best integral .22 rifles use a single gas port...one.
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">please don't feed the troll </div></div>
second that.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">please don't feed the troll </div></div>
second that.....
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
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Got it, sorry, missed the thread count.
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Got it, sorry, missed the thread count.
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Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ns5054now</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes i do not have absolutely the slightest clue what you what these people are talking about when they say "troll" </div></div>
Well....let's see here.....you have not filled out your profile with any useful information about you. You basically join the forum, then on your first posts, you start asking questions about wanting to suppress your "sniper rifle"......
Why don't you spend some time searching the site & reading up on the wealth of knowledge already posted here about suppressors instead of wanting people spoon feed you......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ns5054now</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes i do not have absolutely the slightest clue what you what these people are talking about when they say "troll" </div></div>
Well....let's see here.....you have not filled out your profile with any useful information about you. You basically join the forum, then on your first posts, you start asking questions about wanting to suppress your "sniper rifle"......
Why don't you spend some time searching the site & reading up on the wealth of knowledge already posted here about suppressors instead of wanting people spoon feed you......
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
Well, it's sounds like the OP and me for that matter are really just ignorant of the culture of SH and are F**king New Guys, not trolls. A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.(wiki)
Now if there is a FAQ that you can point us to that will keep us from upsetting you guys, I would love to read it. If you just want no new guys maybe the mods should close all further registration. If a forum like this isn't for the very purpose of people who know more to help people who know less, than why does it exist?
Well, it's sounds like the OP and me for that matter are really just ignorant of the culture of SH and are F**king New Guys, not trolls. A troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.(wiki)
Now if there is a FAQ that you can point us to that will keep us from upsetting you guys, I would love to read it. If you just want no new guys maybe the mods should close all further registration. If a forum like this isn't for the very purpose of people who know more to help people who know less, than why does it exist?
Re: Integrally suppressed FN .308 Patrol Bolt Rifle
http://www.fullysuppressed.com/fnpatrolbolt.html
and yes, not cheap.
now quit being a noob and use this:
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010955838166721108978:qcbx5qqy10o&hl=en
regards,
DT
http://www.fullysuppressed.com/fnpatrolbolt.html
and yes, not cheap.
now quit being a noob and use this:
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010955838166721108978:qcbx5qqy10o&hl=en
regards,
DT
