Interesting article on gun violence in Iceland.
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Those conditions don't exactly mirror but are quite similar to what I've experienced since moving to New Zealand. The middle class here is huge, and while there is poverty and wealth, the gap is comparatively small. Also like Iceland, there's a high frequency of firearms ownership even though there is a strict process required to acquire a firearms license and the various endorsements needed for more restrictive firearms (ie military style semi-autos and pistols). Violent crime is comparatively low here, which coming from several years in Los Angeles and the various shit-holes connected to major Army posts feels almost non-existent. And as much as the natural reaction is to tie the low violent crime rate to gun ownership, the reality is that no-one carries here and all firearms are locked-up in the homes. In fact, using one in self-defense is only lawful in the most narrow of circumstances and the desire to defend oneself isn't considered a valid reason to own one. It's like bizarroland coming from the States. Then again, there's no state that I know of that would allow me to do what I can do here: walk into a gun shop, buy an AR-15, suppressor, ammo, throw it in my car and drive home.
Well I will find out soon enough. Plan on checking out the gun stores in NZ. I believe however that Iceland is limited to bolt guns, nothing over 8mm in a rifle. And a select few forms of autoloading pistols and shotguns. No semi rifles or pistols.
Speaking of shit holes this happened literally across the street last Thursday, we had to drive way around to get home as the block was shut down.
Stabbing Suspect Fatally Shot By SJ Police After Ramming Patrol Car « CBS San Francisco
Speaking of shit holes this happened literally across the street last Thursday, we had to drive way around to get home as the block was shut down.
Stabbing Suspect Fatally Shot By SJ Police After Ramming Patrol Car « CBS San Francisco
HELLO!!!! Guns are not the issue. Violence is the issue.
"The number of homicides committed with knives has risen in Canada and equals the number committed with guns for the first time since 1974, according to a new report from Statistics Canada.
In 2008, 34 per cent of 611 homicides reported by police were committed with knives, a seven per cent increase from 1999 and more than double the approximately 15 per cent level of 1974, the first year for which homicide data is available.
The proportion of homicides involving guns, meanwhile, dropped significantly — from approximately 48 per cent in 1974 to 34 per cent in 2008"
Knife-related homicides rise: StatsCan - Canada - CBC News
and in England/Scotland:
"Last year police recorded 62 cases, down from 93 in the previous year while attempted murders fell by 29 per cent to 354.
But a European "league table" of homicides placed Scotland seventh, 12 places above England and Wales.
The rate of killings was 48 per cent higher north of the Border.
Of those perpetrators whose sobriety is known, 43 per cent had taken alcohol or drugs prior to the attack.
Knives and other blades were used in around half the killings, the Scottish Government figures showed.
Thirty-five people were beaten to death and one was shot.
The statistics showed an average of 1.74 homicides per 100,000 people a year in Scotland between 2008 and 2010."
Scotland still top of British murder rates despite record fall in violent deaths | UK | News | Daily Express
According to WHO, Thats the World Health Organization. Knives should be banned and amnesties for the removal of knives from society would solve knife violence!
"But the WHO report also raised concerns about the effectiveness of knife amnesties.
"Although a knife amnesty can help to raise awareness of the problem and may remove some weapons from circulation, the sheer number of knives available in homes and elsewhere limits their effectiveness," the WHO said.
In England and Wales, a national five-week knife amnesty ran in 2006, collecting almost 90,000 knives and leading to reductions in knife-enabled offences at around five weeks after implementation.
But offences had returned to pre-amnesty levels by eight weeks, the WHO said."
Knives most common weapon in youth murders - Crime - UK - The Independent
"The number of homicides committed with knives has risen in Canada and equals the number committed with guns for the first time since 1974, according to a new report from Statistics Canada.
In 2008, 34 per cent of 611 homicides reported by police were committed with knives, a seven per cent increase from 1999 and more than double the approximately 15 per cent level of 1974, the first year for which homicide data is available.
The proportion of homicides involving guns, meanwhile, dropped significantly — from approximately 48 per cent in 1974 to 34 per cent in 2008"
Knife-related homicides rise: StatsCan - Canada - CBC News
and in England/Scotland:
"Last year police recorded 62 cases, down from 93 in the previous year while attempted murders fell by 29 per cent to 354.
But a European "league table" of homicides placed Scotland seventh, 12 places above England and Wales.
The rate of killings was 48 per cent higher north of the Border.
Of those perpetrators whose sobriety is known, 43 per cent had taken alcohol or drugs prior to the attack.
Knives and other blades were used in around half the killings, the Scottish Government figures showed.
Thirty-five people were beaten to death and one was shot.
The statistics showed an average of 1.74 homicides per 100,000 people a year in Scotland between 2008 and 2010."
Scotland still top of British murder rates despite record fall in violent deaths | UK | News | Daily Express
According to WHO, Thats the World Health Organization. Knives should be banned and amnesties for the removal of knives from society would solve knife violence!
"But the WHO report also raised concerns about the effectiveness of knife amnesties.
"Although a knife amnesty can help to raise awareness of the problem and may remove some weapons from circulation, the sheer number of knives available in homes and elsewhere limits their effectiveness," the WHO said.
In England and Wales, a national five-week knife amnesty ran in 2006, collecting almost 90,000 knives and leading to reductions in knife-enabled offences at around five weeks after implementation.
But offences had returned to pre-amnesty levels by eight weeks, the WHO said."
Knives most common weapon in youth murders - Crime - UK - The Independent
Male cow feces!
If all guns were banned or controlled like the city of Chicago, then.........
Phil,
What's the percentage of assault knives used? Because if they banned knives they wouldn't have this problem. Perhaps this is why I see that in the UK they are now working on controlling 'knife crime'.
I say: No half-measures; simply ban all crime. The Soviet Union did that, and as a result they had no crime for seventy years.
What's the percentage of assault knives used? Because if they banned knives they wouldn't have this problem. Perhaps this is why I see that in the UK they are now working on controlling 'knife crime'.
I say: No half-measures; simply ban all crime. The Soviet Union did that, and as a result they had no crime for seventy years.
Well for once we agree. But with the outright banning of crime Lawyers of course would have their billing hours reduced by 2/3'rds to 3/4'rs. They would have nothing to do but property transfers and angry divorcees to live on.
"Brits Shocked at Easy Availability of Knives
In the U.K., private ownership of firearms is virtually banned. Professional criminals can still get guns, of course, but for your typical thug, knives are the weapon of choice. Thus there has been a steady outpouring of concern over burgeoning “knife crime” in recent years. The Sun undertook a bit of investigative journalism to find out how easy it is to obtain knives illegally, and was shocked at the result:
LETHAL swords, machetes and knives are being sold illegally to children — with no questions asked.
A Sun investigation today reveals how shockingly easy it is for youngsters to buy weapons, despite a series of high-profile killings involving teenagers.
One girl was able to buy 14 deadly blades from seven shops in just a few hours.
It is striking how similar descriptions of knife-buying in the U.K. are to gun-buying in the United States. In particular, gang members generally don’t buy knives themselves, but send their girlfriends to do it:
The Sun’s investigators sent girls to buy the knives in order to copy the tactics used by gangs. By law, shops can only sell blades to over-18s who can produce ID. But 17-year-old Hannah Rose-Wynter was served in seven shops without being asked to prove her age. …
A South London gang member, 15, told how teens get their girlfriends to buy knives because females arouse less suspicion and local shops rarely ask questions."
Brits Shocked at Easy Availability of Knives | Power Line
Easy availability of knives! Sad to see how far Britain has fallen.
My opinion:
We are a violent culture. We were founded on violence. We are great at being violent. There is gun violence portrayed in almost every other evening TV show. Coming from several years in the Video Game industry the idiot uber geeks I worked with couldn't be happier when they got a triple kill in their 1st person shooter. Most of the mass shootings were committed by young men who were gamers. Extreme violence is rapped about all the time. The media we consume embraces violence as if it's more natural than sex. It's repulsive.
Of course our children are going to think violence is a normal part of our culture and society. Violence is in our nature, but one of the grand aspects of being human is our ability to supersede our instincts through a higher intellect.
All this said we are less likely as a whole to perish by violent means compared to a hundred years ago, and much less likely compared to a thousand years ago.
We are a violent culture. We were founded on violence. We are great at being violent. There is gun violence portrayed in almost every other evening TV show. Coming from several years in the Video Game industry the idiot uber geeks I worked with couldn't be happier when they got a triple kill in their 1st person shooter. Most of the mass shootings were committed by young men who were gamers. Extreme violence is rapped about all the time. The media we consume embraces violence as if it's more natural than sex. It's repulsive.
Of course our children are going to think violence is a normal part of our culture and society. Violence is in our nature, but one of the grand aspects of being human is our ability to supersede our instincts through a higher intellect.
All this said we are less likely as a whole to perish by violent means compared to a hundred years ago, and much less likely compared to a thousand years ago.
"Knives: the laws on buying and carrying
The laws about buying and carrying a knife depend on the type of knife, your age and your circumstances.
Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to:
sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives[no wonder British food has such a bad reputation worldwide]) to anyone under 18
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife (the list of banned knives is below)
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)
Lock knives (knives with blades that can be locked when unfolded) are not folding knives, and are illegal to carry in public.
Knives that are illegal
There is a complete ban on the sale of some knives:
flick knives (also called ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) - where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed
butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it
disguised knives – eg where the blade is hidden inside a belt buckle or fake mobile phone
gravity knives
sword-sticks
samurai swords (with some exceptions, including antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)
hand or foot-claws
push daggers
hollow kubotan (cylinder-shaped keychain) holding spikes
shuriken (also known as ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)
kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
This is not a complete list of banned knives. Contact your local police to check if a knife is illegal or not.
The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and a fine of £5,000. "
https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-buy-or-carry-a-knife
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There's nothing new about those knife laws, they've been in effect for years and do not constitue a wholesale knife ban by any means. The most important thing you've ommitted is the use of fixed blade, locking blades etc. with good reason. A hunter has a good reason to have a knife in his car or pocket, a 16year old loitering on a street corner with his mates late at night does not (as an example).
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