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What price point have you heard?For the price point im hearing.. Def not worth it
Are you certain tech is from china ?Throw the Night Vision label on here and you might get more people looking at it...
It's about dang time we have an option for HD core. Of course I wish it was from a country that doesn't hate us...
$17,999 is what I was toldHas anyone heard the pricing details of the new Rico 1280?
It’s not really a secret the chips are Chinese as are a lot of the other parts. If they did something different I’d love to be wrong thoAre you certain tech is from china ?
A little more than half what the 1280 camera was listed for back in 2020. Same resolution in a weapon sight seems reasonable. Now it probably costs them way less than $18k to make haha.Hold on to your pants.. I was told $17,999
The airsoft-tax is steep.People talk about price, but there are still people buying GPNVG for $40k. Sure, they won’t sell bulk but still less than half the price of a set of quads.
$17,999 is what I was told
Yeah I’m fine with no clip on ability. Gotta leave the door open for them to release a clip on for $8k!30Hz
Super power hungry
45-ounces
$18K
Chinesium
Dedicated scope only. NO clipon capability.
Will never be more expensive than it is today.
Kinda crappy timing. Far fewer people willing to dump $18K on a Chinese thermal today than 1-2 years ago.
It's 4 hours optic runtime each/per battery.it looks like only one of their IBP-1 batteries will slide in the side at a time, but it lists 2x of them for 4hr on the spec sheet. So not sure if that's 2x that come in the box and you only use one at a time, and then whether 4hr is for each battery or both back-to-back.
RICO- Rugged Infrared Compact Optic.We should all be excited about this. I’m not going to buy one, there are too many issues with it like weight and framerate, but it’s great to finally see someone bringing a larger microbolometer to the civilian market, it means that we are going to start seeing American manufacturers feel pressure to keep pace.
... I don't see any of the other manufacturers trying to keep up in the very limited $18,000 niche use market ...
Lol…And in a few cases, the parts are made in China and shipped to other ganglands, like Lithuania or even USA for final assembly...
What excites me most about this is it gives the commercial guys in “Tier 2” a couple great things in their back pocket.Opens interesting topic for discussion ... how many "other" manufacturers are there really ? Especially for thermals we can buy ?
I think of 3 bands ...
1 - Low end - when I got my first thermal back in 2014, there was ATN (gen1 thermals, like ODIN and Thor) and Armasight, with Zeus and Apollo. There were mostly in the sub $6k market. Later the chinese came in with Pulsar and the others ... and even ATN switched to chinese.
WIth FLIRs sale of "armasight" and getting out of this market, the Chinese have won the low end market period.
My understanding is there are really only two factories in Chinese making the cores. Might be others making the housings and doing final assembly. And in a few cases, the parts are made in China and shipped to other ganglands, like Lithuania or even USA for final assembly.
But China owns the low end market for us, that's for sure..
2 - Middle end - this now includes Trijicon Electro Optics (TEO) formerly known as IRD and N-Vision. And lives in the $5k to $10k price bracket. The USA commercial tier. The Chinese are moving into this sector with entries like the new "choodoo".
3 - High End - this is and has been the realm of the military units that we can buy. The OASYS thermals were intended for the military and Skeets and UTMs were definitely used. I think UTCs were at least tested. The Theon's were designed for military, but are being made available commercially at least in USA and AU.
And now we see China "leaping" into the High End market with the RS75. With the 2x2 zillion pixels on the back end and the 1280 FPA on the front end and the $18k MSRP price tag. We knew something like this was coming, but I'm surprised at the speed. There are a few other players in this market, but not really very many (Trijicon OASYS, PoT, Insight, DRS(?) etc).
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So overall there are really just a handful of "manufacturers" in the USA commercial thermal market (including military units being sold commercially). Really only TEO and N-vision would be likely to "learn" from anything the Chinese are doing, so that's two manufacturers.
Military units tend to be "made to spec" ... meaning the procurement people on the military side must say "we need 1280" ... and if they say that, they will get it. Commercial market doesn't directly drive military market, though overall in the history of USA, like in guns and ammo, there has been significant influence from commercial to military. But less so in thermal, so far.
But it will be very interesting to see what happens in the next year, when we expect to see more new thermal clipons introduced into the commercial market, both military units and chinese units ... and who knows ... maybe even USA commercial manufactured units. But I would definitely expect to see a C75 from iray in the next 12 months ... though it will be a challenge to make a long distance thermal clipon with a 1280 ... and make it "man transportable"
Oh, and by the way, I too thought the $10k+ thermal market was "limited" but I continue to be surprised at how quickly our Theon's and other high end units sell out. There are more "high end" market buyers out there than you might think !!!
BTW, the same thing will probably happen with cooled units as well at some point…
Not expensive for china to develop, expensive for the companies that actually developed it before china stole it.Thermal sensors aren’t really that high-tech — whether cooled or uncooled. They’re just not high demand items if you don’t have defense contracts to sell to. The lack of demand makes them expensive to develop and manufacture.
Fabs ain’t cheap.
I saw their sniper rifle and read about its specs. Not really impressed. I sort of think they went the russian way of more quantity versus more quality.I am sure the technology is there, the question is will the CCP allow it to leave China. I am sure the Chinese military fields some pretty sweet thermals.
Yes with AB and or Bluetooth to StrelokI wouldn't mind one of these in a scanner similar to an nvision atlas and lrf.
Will it be a challenge? I'm not an optical engineer but I would've thought FOV depends more on your lens/es than it does on your chip. Kinda like how the sensor on a dSLR can see wide, narrow, short, far, etc depending on what lens you put in front of it. If that's true you could make a super telephoto germanium lens and have a 2 deg FOV 1280 clip-on and see through the hogs.ETA: on the clip on side, it doesn’t seem like they’d have to change much to make a legit clip on. 11.7 deg FOV with the same long range performance as a 6 deg FOV 640 unit sounds just fine to me! Now squeezing that FOV down to 8 deg or less will be a challenge with 12um pixels.
And as far as man portable, I man portable a PVS30 all the time so I’m up for the challenge![]()
Correct. You'd just need a larger lens: longer focal length and larger diameter to maintain a good F/#.Will it be a challenge? I'm not an optical engineer but I would've thought FOV depends more on your lens/es than it does on your chip. Kinda like how the sensor on a dSLR can see wide, narrow, short, far, etc depending on what lens you put in front of it. If that's true you could make a super telephoto germanium lens and have a 2 deg FOV 1280 clip-on and see through the hogs.
And people are buying up the Theons so clearly the high-end civilian market is OK with "high performance but at the cost of weight" units like this.
Will it be a challenge? I'm not an optical engineer but I would've thought FOV depends more on your lens/es than it does on your chip. Kinda like how the sensor on a dSLR can see wide, narrow, short, far, etc depending on what lens you put in front of it. If that's true you could make a super telephoto germanium lens and have a 2 deg FOV 1280 clip-on and see through the hogs.
And people are buying up the Theons so clearly the high-end civilian market is OK with "high performance but at the cost of weight" units like this.