Is it possible to extend the gas impingement system on an AR into the hand guard? If you used a cut down version of the gas tube and somehow extended the gas key into the forearm wouldn't this be the best of both worlds? Piston systems have carrier tilt and and having gas go in the receiver has it's own problems. Is this possible?
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Re: Is it possible?
I think you need to lay off the sauce dude. Put whatever you are smoking out before it burns your house down with you in it.
Do you own an AR? Have you looked at what you asked and thought how it will work? Just asking, the previous comments were a joke ( I hope)
I think you need to lay off the sauce dude. Put whatever you are smoking out before it burns your house down with you in it.
Do you own an AR? Have you looked at what you asked and thought how it will work? Just asking, the previous comments were a joke ( I hope)
Re: Is it possible?
IF, and it's a big IF, I understand what you're saying... no, it's not really possible or beneficial, the gas would still enter the carrier and bolt, so all you would do is add to minor problems that come with a piston gun to the minor problems that a DI gun has
IF, and it's a big IF, I understand what you're saying... no, it's not really possible or beneficial, the gas would still enter the carrier and bolt, so all you would do is add to minor problems that come with a piston gun to the minor problems that a DI gun has
Re: Is it possible?
I'm not talking about a hacked up done in the garage version, I'm talking about something properly engineered and built by an expert. I'm basically talking about what The Para Ordinance TTR has but without putting the spring in the hand guard.
I'm not talking about a hacked up done in the garage version, I'm talking about something properly engineered and built by an expert. I'm basically talking about what The Para Ordinance TTR has but without putting the spring in the hand guard.
Re: Is it possible?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it possible to extend the gas impingement system on an AR into the hand guard? If you used a cut down version of the gas tube and somehow <span style="text-decoration: underline">extended the gas key into the forearm </span><span style="font-weight: bold">wouldn't this be the best of both worlds</span>? Piston systems have carrier tilt and and <span style="text-decoration: underline">having gas go in the receiver has it's own problems</span>. Is this possible? </div></div>
Please explain how this would be the best of both worlds.
My brain hurts just thinking about thinking about it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it possible to extend the gas impingement system on an AR into the hand guard? If you used a cut down version of the gas tube and somehow <span style="text-decoration: underline">extended the gas key into the forearm </span><span style="font-weight: bold">wouldn't this be the best of both worlds</span>? Piston systems have carrier tilt and and <span style="text-decoration: underline">having gas go in the receiver has it's own problems</span>. Is this possible? </div></div>
Please explain how this would be the best of both worlds.
My brain hurts just thinking about thinking about it.
Re: Is it possible?
Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300.......
Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300.......
Re: Is it possible?
Sorry if I'm not explaining it very well but hopefully these links can explain it better than I can. I'm looking for basically the same thing but without the return spring upfront.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-M_Weapons_LR_300
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/24/para-ttr-ar-15/
Sorry if I'm not explaining it very well but hopefully these links can explain it better than I can. I'm looking for basically the same thing but without the return spring upfront.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-M_Weapons_LR_300
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/24/para-ttr-ar-15/
Re: Is it possible?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300....... </div></div>
That's about it. I want away to put it's gas system on a standard AR in an attempt to avoid the issues associated with a piston system and remove the gas from inside the receiver. It seems far less violent than a piston system yet able to run longer than a normal DI system.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300....... </div></div>
That's about it. I want away to put it's gas system on a standard AR in an attempt to avoid the issues associated with a piston system and remove the gas from inside the receiver. It seems far less violent than a piston system yet able to run longer than a normal DI system.
Re: Is it possible?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300....... </div></div>
That's about it. I want away to put it's gas system on a standard AR in an attempt to avoid the issues associated with a piston system and remove the gas from inside the receiver. It seems far less violent than a piston system yet able to run longer than a normal DI system. </div></div>
Why don't you just buy a ZM LR300 kit???
ZM Weapons LR300 Kit
OR... just buy that para TTR when it comes out.
On a side note I can't see a point in this whole thing, but whatever floats your boat.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300....... </div></div>
That's about it. I want away to put it's gas system on a standard AR in an attempt to avoid the issues associated with a piston system and remove the gas from inside the receiver. It seems far less violent than a piston system yet able to run longer than a normal DI system. </div></div>
Why don't you just buy a ZM LR300 kit???
ZM Weapons LR300 Kit
OR... just buy that para TTR when it comes out.
On a side note I can't see a point in this whole thing, but whatever floats your boat.
Re: Is it possible?
Before you go through all that trouble, heres a good read....
http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-...-m4-unreliable/
Before you go through all that trouble, heres a good read....
http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-...-m4-unreliable/
Re: Is it possible?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before you go through all that trouble, heres a good read....
http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-...-m4-unreliable/
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It's not that I don't believe in the reliability of the AR system. I have full faith in a properly setup and maintained carbine or rifle in most environments. It has more to do with wanting to tinker around with it and the whole build a better mouse trap thing even though there's perfectly good ones available. You say why, I say why not. That and I just like to do things different then others just for the hell of it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before you go through all that trouble, heres a good read....
http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-...-m4-unreliable/
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It's not that I don't believe in the reliability of the AR system. I have full faith in a properly setup and maintained carbine or rifle in most environments. It has more to do with wanting to tinker around with it and the whole build a better mouse trap thing even though there's perfectly good ones available. You say why, I say why not. That and I just like to do things different then others just for the hell of it.
Re: Is it possible?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300....... </div></div>
That's about it. I want away to put it's gas system on a standard AR in an attempt to avoid the issues associated with a piston system and remove the gas from inside the receiver. It seems far less violent than a piston system yet able to run longer than a normal DI system. </div></div>
Why don't you just buy a ZM LR300 kit???
ZM Weapons LR300 Kit
OR... just buy that para TTR when it comes out.
On a side note I can't see a point in this whole thing, but whatever floats your boat.
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No point really. A good DI system and a good piston system are both available. I just want to I guess. Still cant figure out why I like boobs, I just do. As far as getting the the kit or Para's rifle go I want to figure out how to do this to a standard rifle without putting the spring upfront.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr blasty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually what you are describing sounds a lot like the original Z_m Weapons LR300....... </div></div>
That's about it. I want away to put it's gas system on a standard AR in an attempt to avoid the issues associated with a piston system and remove the gas from inside the receiver. It seems far less violent than a piston system yet able to run longer than a normal DI system. </div></div>
Why don't you just buy a ZM LR300 kit???
ZM Weapons LR300 Kit
OR... just buy that para TTR when it comes out.
On a side note I can't see a point in this whole thing, but whatever floats your boat.
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No point really. A good DI system and a good piston system are both available. I just want to I guess. Still cant figure out why I like boobs, I just do. As far as getting the the kit or Para's rifle go I want to figure out how to do this to a standard rifle without putting the spring upfront.
Re: Is it possible?
Really not sure if I want a gastube free floating underneath the handguards.
Furthermore, the outside diameter of the carrier key would require the upper receiver gastube hole would need to be opened up, let alone barrel nut isues.
Really not sure if I want a gastube free floating underneath the handguards.
Furthermore, the outside diameter of the carrier key would require the upper receiver gastube hole would need to be opened up, let alone barrel nut isues.
Re: Is it possible?
Mr Blasty, I say have at it. The true path to learning is getting your hands dirty!
Mr Blasty, I say have at it. The true path to learning is getting your hands dirty!
Re: Is it possible?
You could certainly run a hybrid long key/normal reciever extension type gas system. The ZM has the advantage of a chopped carrier, allowing the folding stock, but it is not required. Just lengthen you gas key, and support the gas tube under the hand guard and you are good to go. I've always thought that the ZM/Para system was a slightly better design then the original(less gas and heat then DI, less weight and complexity then piston), buy definately not enough to justify going to a proprietary non-standard design.
You could certainly run a hybrid long key/normal reciever extension type gas system. The ZM has the advantage of a chopped carrier, allowing the folding stock, but it is not required. Just lengthen you gas key, and support the gas tube under the hand guard and you are good to go. I've always thought that the ZM/Para system was a slightly better design then the original(less gas and heat then DI, less weight and complexity then piston), buy definately not enough to justify going to a proprietary non-standard design.
