Is something going on in Ukraine?

[DIBBS]

Didn’t Trump ask for about 14 billion to build a wall but the democrats and RINOs said that was too much money?

Much easier to pilfer money and get kickbacks , and line your pockets from a corrupt shithole country evidently.... what other reason could there be?

 

[DaveSC]

And then then our tax money went POOF!

 

[DaveSC]

Douglas Macgregor speaks, again. This is probably not the most recent interview, but it is still a good one. I heard the Colonel say some things I have not heard before. Worth watching.

Poland WWIII scare shows why top US general wants peace (w/ Doug Macgregor) - The Grayzone

Retired Army Col. Douglas Macgregor on the World War III scare in Poland and the reported Pentagon-State Department split over Ukraine-Russia peace. After accusing Russia of firing missiles into Poland -- and triggering calls from Ukraine for direct NATO military intervention -- US officials are...

thegrayzone.com

 

[fpgt72]

This is the reality of the 4th Reich. Dissident civilians have been massacred since 2014, and we've been giving them the bullets to do it.

"oh no!" says the twitter crowd. "they can't possibly be nazis! Zelensky is a JEW!"

well, bullshit. They are rebranded Nazis and use traditional Nazi methods. Nobody gives a shit about Hitler, so that is not the defining characteristic of 21st century NWO nazism here. It's the methodology and reapplied philosophy of government which they have in common. True RINO Neocons are themselves Nazis (or Trotskyists if you prefer- little difference). Both Nazis and Trotskyists want to conquer and exploit the world for their own benefit, under the auspice of their own brand of totalitarianism. Both end up with total government power, an inner circle that operates like they are little gods ruling with an iron hand by fear. Both believe in ruthlessly eliminating the opposition "the enemy within" whoever that targeted group might be, with total disregard to human rights and (obviously) while spitting in the face of the founding ideals of the USA.

So for the pea-brained morons who say "they can't be Nazis, their president is a JEW!", who cares. This brand of Nazism is not focused on exterminating Jews, it's focused on exterminating Russians, and it has a Jew in charge of the process, which is fitting.

I think (and am too tired to look it up to refresh my memory) but Trotsky believed that the socialist revolution could not happen unless the working people of the world all united. Where as stalin thought we set our own house the way we want and then move out from there. I think looking at the world today 114 tears after the start of the revolution in russia we can say that the stalin model did not work. If we look at the large Socialist countries in history, the one that is still with us is a dictatorship. The other fell apart. The smaller ones are able to hold power for roughly the same reasons the larger ones did, and in time I think they will go the same way as long as the people have a means to resist.

This is why the 2A is such a sticking point. They laugh and say, oh you will need an F15 and perhaps some nukes, really.....really. History shows us that is BS. In 1776 a bunch of farmers too on the worlds only super power and won, in 1973 a long struggle by some people in black PJ's with funnel looking hats won against a super power, and just a few years ago we saw this thing called an Arab spring where the same thing happened again, all the tanks and jets did not mean much.

Personally I think Trotsky had the right.....well maybe not right but a better way to enslave people long term.....idea, I don't think it would have worked, just like I don't think the same thing will work now, it takes too long to line all that up, get all the people in play and keep them there. The second you think you have a sure thing, some goofy woman from Italy screws things up. They tried in Brazil and found out the people just are not going to take it anymore. What will come of that I have no idea, but I do believe without any shadow of doubt what happened in Brazil effected results in the US.

Rest of your stuff I think is right, own benefit I am just not sure of. Trotsky was very different from Stalin, and yea no doubt he would benefit just like Stalin did, I don't think that was his end goal, I don't think it was Lenins goal, I think those people really thought their system was the best system for the people for many reasons. Stalin, Mao, and others yea it was all about power.

When this topic comes up I always drift back to a "what if". What would our world look like today if the west would have gone full bore into the invasion of russia in 1918. What would our world look like today if russia would have been run by someone like Peter the great in the 20th century.....fun question.

 

[MtnCreek]

Trotsky was certifiable insane and believed in some constant revolution or some such horseshit. Stalin was evil but smart enough to know that once he was in power, revolution stops here.

 

[sharac]

I think those people really thought their system was the best system for the people for many reasons. Stalin, Mao, and others yea it was all about power.

So does the looney in the asylum but there he can do all the damage he wants with his bare head against the concrete wall of his cell. Give him space to expand his power, infect others and you have a bloodbath. Who gives a flying fuck whether one believes in the shit they make or they make it to profit. Someone has to clean it and it smells...

Globalists expanded on the original Western ideas (communism is not Russian invention but due to circumstances they were first to experience this "bio weapon") and reworked them and current western countries are the breeding ground for next attempt at world domination through spiritual and physical enslavement this time "on a global scale".

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

One thing folk overestimate is the jamming capability--effective distance , detecting the sender is on other hand not that hard

Other is how widespread AI and machine vision is now days , one of the drones we sell for like 15-20k $ (with no made in china parts) has thermal, frequency hopping and , AI machine recognition so can fly for most of the time 'radio silent' only sends back once its found a target and its only question of programming when it will do the whole mission without input . (Chinese equivalent is likely to be had for 8k $ without the AI and frequency hopping, but Chinese could add that if a customer ordered for less than 1k $.)
Thermals are now becoming quite common on civilian drones over 4k $

Israelis are already offering individual personnel kill drones based on commercial racing drones. Low level AI is the game changer not the drones themselves

And how long before that shit starts getting used on us and we have to move around like its 1941 occupied-Prague here stateside?

 

[Darayavaus]

I think (and am too tired to look it up to refresh my memory) but Trotsky believed that the socialist revolution could not happen unless the working people of the world all united. Where as stalin thought we set our own house the way we want and then move out from there. I think looking at the world today 114 tears after the start of the revolution in russia we can say that the stalin model did not work. If we look at the large Socialist countries in history, the one that is still with us is a dictatorship. The other fell apart. The smaller ones are able to hold power for roughly the same reasons the larger ones did, and in time I think they will go the same way as long as the people have a means to resist.

This is why the 2A is such a sticking point. They laugh and say, oh you will need an F15 and perhaps some nukes, really.....really. History shows us that is BS. In 1776 a bunch of farmers too on the worlds only super power and won, in 1973 a long struggle by some people in black PJ's with funnel looking hats won against a super power, and just a few years ago we saw this thing called an Arab spring where the same thing happened again, all the tanks and jets did not mean much.

Personally I think Trotsky had the right.....well maybe not right but a better way to enslave people long term.....idea, I don't think it would have worked, just like I don't think the same thing will work now, it takes too long to line all that up, get all the people in play and keep them there. The second you think you have a sure thing, some goofy woman from Italy screws things up. They tried in Brazil and found out the people just are not going to take it anymore. What will come of that I have no idea, but I do believe without any shadow of doubt what happened in Brazil effected results in the US.

Rest of your stuff I think is right, own benefit I am just not sure of. Trotsky was very different from Stalin, and yea no doubt he would benefit just like Stalin did, I don't think that was his end goal, I don't think it was Lenins goal, I think those people really thought their system was the best system for the people for many reasons. Stalin, Mao, and others yea it was all about power.

When this topic comes up I always drift back to a "what if". What would our world look like today if the west would have gone full bore into the invasion of russia in 1918. What would our world look like today if russia would have been run by someone like Peter the great in the 20th century.....fun question.

Whenever you study the history of communism, you have to look at it in the same way that a detective would take statements from criminals, and then reconstruct the truth from all the lies, by reading between the lines and seeing through the false alibis.

When it comes to Stalin and Trotsky, reduce the equation to it's lowest common denominator. Power. There was a power play between the two, for the overlordship of the communist world.

Any differences in philosophy were a vast distant second to that primary concern. And in reality, there were no real differences - there was subterfuge.

Trotsky was run out, but he was not killed. His supporters living in the USSR and causing problems for Stalin were dealt with mercilessly, but Trotsky himself was allowed to travel the world blabbing about how Stalin was a bad communist and no legitimate successor to Lenin. Was Stalin too ineffective to deal with him? certainly not. So why? Because Stalin was a master manipulator. He took over a nation with a weak military. The Red Army had shot it's bolt and was in no condition to continue world revolution/conquest. Yet the world still considered the USSR to be a threat. So Stalin manipulated the world by manipulating Trotsky into becoming his greatest propagandist. "Stalin has betrayed the revolution!" (just what the West wanted to hear) "Socialism in one country!" (so the west begins to think that there is no further military threat). Etc. Trotsky ignorantly played the part of the master disinformationist, and Stalin pretended to be angry but impotent to do anything about it.

All during this time, Trotsky was allowed to broadcast his disinformation loudly and without interference. But towards the end, he began to realize that Stalin had not betrayed the Revolution, and was simply rearming, rebuilding, and preparing for round two - along with supporting the rise of Hitler, who would batter the Western world and then let Stalin swoop in as savior and pick up the pieces ( although subsequent events would work out differently). At that point, when Trotsky finally realized the game, Stalin effortlessly had him murdered before he could expose Stalin's true intentions.

And the important thing today is that, for all of his skill which many contemporary historians still don't appreciate, Stalin was a crude child when it came to manipulation compared to the politicians and powerbrokers of today. The people who rule the world against us now study people like Stalin, and go beyond them. And we keep on thinking that pulling the R lever will turn back the clock to 1776.

 

[Sako man]

I wonder if Bankman-fried is gonna get Epstined somewhere down there in Agentina. Funny, but thought only Nazis went down there to hide.

 

[akmike47]

And how long before that shit starts getting used on us and we have to move around like its 1941 occupied-Prague here stateside?

Just finished this movie

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Trotsky was certifiable insane and believed in some constant revolution or some such horseshit. Stalin was evil but smart enough to know that once he was in power, revolution stops here.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Just finished this movie

Definitely underrated, and from what I understand quite accurate.
Unfortunately the benefits of snuffing Heydrich seem to have been outweighed by the consequences but I reckon thats a argument for another day... even with the planned operation being successful, I have to question whether the Czech resistance's resources couldn't have been better used for other purposes? But "easy to judge from leisure what men did in haste", and all that..

 

[fpgt72]

Whenever you study the history of communism, you have to look at it in the same way that a detective would take statements from criminals, and then reconstruct the truth from all the lies, by reading between the lines and seeing through the false alibis.

When it comes to Stalin and Trotsky, reduce the equation to it's lowest common denominator. Power. There was a power play between the two, for the overlordship of the communist world.

Any differences in philosophy were a vast distant second to that primary concern. And in reality, there were no real differences - there was subterfuge.

Trotsky was run out, but he was not killed. His supporters living in the USSR and causing problems for Stalin were dealt with mercilessly, but Trotsky himself was allowed to travel the world blabbing about how Stalin was a bad communist and no legitimate successor to Lenin. Was Stalin too ineffective to deal with him? certainly not. So why? Because Stalin was a master manipulator. He took over a nation with a weak military. The Red Army had shot it's bolt and was in no condition to continue world revolution/conquest. Yet the world still considered the USSR to be a threat. So Stalin manipulated the world by manipulating Trotsky into becoming his greatest propagandist. "Stalin has betrayed the revolution!" (just what the West wanted to hear) "Socialism in one country!" (so the west begins to think that there is no further military threat). Etc. Trotsky ignorantly played the part of the master disinformationist, and Stalin pretended to be angry but impotent to do anything about it.

All during this time, Trotsky was allowed to broadcast his disinformation loudly and without interference. But towards the end, he began to realize that Stalin had not betrayed the Revolution, and was simply rearming, rebuilding, and preparing for round two - along with supporting the rise of Hitler, who would batter the Western world and then let Stalin swoop in as savior and pick up the pieces ( although subsequent events would work out differently). At that point, when Trotsky finally realized the game, Stalin effortlessly had him murdered before he could expose Stalin's true intentions.

And the important thing today is that, for all of his skill which many contemporary historians still don't appreciate, Stalin was a crude child when it came to manipulation compared to the politicians and powerbrokers of today. The people who rule the world against us now study people like Stalin, and go beyond them. And we keep on thinking that pulling the R lever will turn back the clock to 1776.

I have not read past this yet, so it could have been pointed out already, if so sorry,

But trotsky was killed in mexico by stalin....or I guess I should say by one of stalin's agents.

 

[pmclaine]

Trotsky was certifiable insane and believed in some constant revolution or some such horseshit. Stalin was evil but smart enough to know that once he was in power, revolution stops here.

Russia believed in continuous Revolution, Hitler believed in continuous war, our military industrial complex is no different than either.

 

[pmclaine]

I have not read past this yet, so it could have been pointed out already, if so sorry,

But trotsky was killed in mexico by stalin....or I guess I should say by one of stalin's agents.

With an ice ax of all things.......

 

[fpgt72]

Trotsky was certifiable insane and believed in some constant revolution or some such horseshit. Stalin was evil but smart enough to know that once he was in power, revolution stops here.

I don't think so. You can disagree with someone else idea to the 10's, but that does not mean they are insane, they just have a different view of the world.

You can say that about "whoever" is calling the shots for our .gov. They are not stupid, I think I am safe in saying that most people on this board think that every policy for the past two years is flat stupid and only an idiot would do it in the first place. No. You have to see what their end goal is, and after you see the road they are trying to go down and how they plan on getting there you find out these people are not stupid, they are actually quite smart, they are getting done what they want done. Just because I don't like it that does not make them stupid or crazy. They know exactly what they are doing.

 

[MtnCreek]

I don't think so. You can disagree with someone else idea to the 10's, but that does not mean they are insane, they just have a different view of the world.

You can say that about "whoever" is calling the shots for our .gov. They are not stupid, I think I am safe in saying that most people on this board think that every policy for the past two years is flat stupid and only an idiot would do it in the first place. No. You have to see what their end goal is, and after you see the road they are trying to go down and how they plan on getting there you find out these people are not stupid, they are actually quite smart, they are getting done what they want done. Just because I don't like it that does not make them stupid or crazy. They know exactly what they are doing.

I said insane, not stupid. Trotsky was fucking insane.

 

[fpgt72]

I said insane, not stupid. Trotsky was fucking insane.

Ok, like how....talking to people that are not there? Thinking he is Napoleon?

 

[UKDslayer]

Video: Ukrainians Shoot 11 Russian POWs in Cold Blood - US Merc Involved | The Gateway Pundit | by Collin McMahon

Videos circulating on social media seem to show Ukrainian forces executing 11 Russian POWs.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Shooter McGavin]

NOT ONE MORE $$$ FOR UKRAINE

 

[Maggot]

Pushing for 10K.

 

[UKDslayer]

Too late they just got 4.5 Billon more from Joe.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Too late they just got 4.5 Billon more from Joe.

I think about this.
And I think about welfare, the stimulus checks, etc.

Neither one are good. But if the money is getting spent regardless.. why not go back in the taxpayers' pockets? In the form of "liberal apology tour taxpayer repayment plan" or some such..??
What return are we getting on this? Besides more "pink sheet hookers" for BFC and Hunter Biden? No offense BFC but -> Pro tip- if your escorts are trying to talk with you about the latest Cardi B gossip- they're a pink sheet escort and you know you made a mistake.
You want them escorts that you can take with you on thanksgiving to mama as your "potential future wife", and she'll congratulate you for it..

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The Beat Goes On
Funny they want Trumps tax return but Biden can just write a blank check.

Pentagon refuses to detail request for $37.7B in additional Ukraine assistance

The Biden administration wants $37.7 billion in new funding for Ukraine, but so far is refusing to explain how much of that would be used to replenish U.S. munitions stocks.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Darayavaus]

Video: Ukrainians Shoot 11 Russian POWs in Cold Blood - US Merc Involved | The Gateway Pundit | by Collin McMahon

Videos circulating on social media seem to show Ukrainian forces executing 11 Russian POWs.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Darayavaus]

The Beat Goes On
Funny they want Trumps tax return but Biden can just write a blank check.

Pentagon refuses to detail request for $37.7B in additional Ukraine assistance

The Biden administration wants $37.7 billion in new funding for Ukraine, but so far is refusing to explain how much of that would be used to replenish U.S. munitions stocks.

www.foxnews.com

these Fucking dual citizens and globalist puppets in government are stealing the accumulated national wealth that the USA built up since the revolution.

then they are bringing in the undesirable third world hordes and telling us that we have to lower our standards because there are "too many people here" and we need to reduce our impact on the environment.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Something is going on in Washington...

 

[babyguppy]

Russia announces death of about 100 «foreign mercenaries» during attack in Donetsk

Russia announces death of 100 Foreign Mercenaries (working for Ukraine)

 

[Mr.BR]

Vlad wanted to invade Japan then decided to do Ukraine instead ROFL

 

[Mr.BR]

Abosolute meatgrinder in Artemovsk (Bakhmut)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/world/europe/ukraine-war-bakhmut.html

Even without the artillery , conditions are fucked , and in the coming days it will start to freeze

Water and mud and WP shells

 

[RUTGERS95]

Vlad wanted to invade Japan then decided to do Ukraine instead ROFL

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definitely not buying it

 

[GreenGO Juan]

According to MacGreagor, a group of Polish Officers in Ukraine around Bakhmut were ordered to do something they didnt agree with, basically a suicide mission, got into an argument with the Ukrainians giving the orders, who threatened to kill them if they didnt do it... so the Pols killed the Ukraines threatening them!

Sounds like fun!

 

[UKDslayer]

And how much of the money above is going to businesses and acquaintances and family members of those in Congress.

Just think of the good it could have done at home. Fuck no, lets run the printing presses continually and drain the coffers dry.

Wait, we're already well past that point.

And the luxury villas, pensions of Ukraine officials, and what was it- 60,000 luxury vehicles? Its criminal.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Just another 37 billion

 

[akmike47]

Abosolute meatgrinder in Artemovsk (Bakhmut)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/world/europe/ukraine-war-bakhmut.html

Even without the artilery , conditions are fucked , an in coming days it will start to freeze

Water and mud and WP shells
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"Hell on earth" some folks from a little skirmish around 1914 would like to have a word with you.

 

[Sako man]

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"All those dollars lost like tears in the rain"



On another note: Jimmy Dore drops a really great point. Why are we not helping the "Americans, yes Americans!" in need? It's all sad and disgusting.

 

[Mr.BR]

"Hell on earth" some folks from a little skirmish around 1914 would like to have a word with you.

1916 and 2022 side by side

 

[pmclaine]

Vlad wanted to invade Japan then decided to do Ukraine instead ROFL

View attachment 8008584

Let me guess Zimmerman delivered that telegram.....

Putin mistake was believing the world had some sanity left.

 

[pmclaine]

1916 and 2022 side by side
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This is what the American home flying a Ukraine flag is missing.

After watching twenty years of war every night on CBS with interviews from FOBs featuring tired, dusty soldiers about to take a warm shower, they see themselves capable of that suffering and will support another war.

They didn't go into the mountains to watch guys fighting in the snow, freezing in the mountain climate.

And they don't want you to see these WWI like images because very few think they could handle that and they would call for an end to it.

But.....that has been eastern Ukraine for years now.

Russia intended to end it but apparently the WEF had other ideas.

 

[Longshot231]

This is what the American home flying a Ukraine flag is missing.

After watching twenty years of war every night on CBS with interviews from FOBs featuring tired, dusty soldiers about to take a warm shower, they see themselves capable of that suffering and will support another war.

They didn't go into the mountains to watch guys fighting in the snow, freezing in the mountain climate.

And they don't want you to see these WWI like images because very few think they could handle that and they would call for an end to it.

But.....that has been eastern Ukraine for years now.

Russia intended to end it but apparently the WEF had other ideas.

 

[Maggot]

1916 and 2022 side by side
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Fuck ya'll, I'm going to my safe space.

 

[babyguppy]

1916 and 2022 side by side
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War is hell...
But those conditions are a special kind of hell.
All politicians should be sent to the front for 2 weeks; and peace will ensue.

 

[TeddyK]

This Ukrainian thing is roughly parallel to the Spanish Civil War IMHO:



The Spanish Civil War was dress rehearsal for the 2 main ideological forces in Europe to size each other up. America sat out.
This time, in Ukraine, China is sitting out.

 

[akmike47]

1916 and 2022 side by side
View attachment 8008979

Fighting was way worse in 1916, they aren’t doing creeping artillery for weeks on end or blowing craters in the ground multi story houses can fit in killing thousands in one blast. No bayonet charges into walls of lead, no gas attacks, and I could keep going.

 

[Darayavaus]

Pollock mercenaries burning a Russian New Testament.

 

[Mr.BR]

Biden admin scrambles to track $20B in Ukraine aid as House Republicans warn of audits

President Biden's administration has tracked just 10% of the weapons sent to Ukraine, and Republicans in Congress are threatening audits and more aggressive oversight.

www.foxnews.com

 

[lariat]

Biden admin scrambles to track $20B in Ukraine aid as House Republicans warn of audits

President Biden's administration has tracked just 10% of the weapons sent to Ukraine, and Republicans in Congress are threatening audits and more aggressive oversight.

www.foxnews.com

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Yeah, well, Mr. Paul sounds like the prophet hidden in Popeye's can of spinach now, doesn't he? Where were all these GOP lard asses to back him up when he called bullshit on no oversight?

 

[lariat]

‘Weaponisation of everything': Putin's hybrid warfare exposed by hidden attacks on Europe

It used to be known as state sponsored guerilla warfare. Now it has a new catchy name too. Probably because the old one was racist or too raw for mass consumption and the Euro people would freak out if they thought the war had come to their doorstep and their stupid immigration policies were being used against them. If this article is even correct - its hard to tell given all of the insinuation and lack of hard proof in it. Oh how I wish for a factual and neutral journalistic source. I'll put that in my letter to Santa and see what I get.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

They need your money for the next election cycle. 95% of the population has no idea that there's no oversight on that money.

Yeah, well, Mr. Paul sounds like the prophet hidden in Popeye's can of spinach now, doesn't he? Where were all these GOP lard asses to back him up when he called bullshit on no oversight?

All the talking points are going to come out in the next several months. Spending, immigration and whatever else the think tanks have to get the population to invest in the crime family

 

[fpgt72]

This Ukrainian thing is roughly parallel to the Spanish Civil War IMHO:



The Spanish Civil War was dress rehearsal for the 2 main ideological forces in Europe to size each other up. America sat out.
This time, in Ukraine, China is sitting out.

Not really IMHO. The causes of starting the entire mess are very different, what does line up is other nations "aid" during the conflict....a little bit.

In Spain you have two sides supporting the two....major....I guess I will say sides, communist on one, and everyone else on the other. This happened again in the first war in Finland. The west supported the Finns in the early stages up to and including supply of top of the line fighter aircraft Hurricanes till the russians started to cry, and like the typical west they bent to russia and let the fins get ground to hamburger....but they did bleed the soviets, just not enough, you can never bleed russians white.

In our current mess, no one is (really directly) "helping" the russians, sure they are getting this that and the other, but nothing on the scale of Spain back then. For "our side" yea but again the reasons for the conflict are very different.

I really think we don't know why Russia did it.....sure we know they thought it would be a walk in the park, sure they thought it would be like 2014? (bad memory again and not looking it up) when they too the Crimea....why would they bother now, the US is ran by the same guy as was in when we took the first chunk.

This one is a mess.......and I will leave you with this little nugget.

All this talk of population reduction......I don't think I am the only one that is thinking a world war would do that very well.

The only question is will the people play. I am thinking it is getting to a tipping point, I have a feeling that if we thought the last two years are bad, just wait till you see the next two.