Is something going on in Ukraine?

[lariat]

Poland ought to invade and take part of Ukraine. I mean, why not, the world has gone bizzaro anyway

It’s an insane thought, but I had it too. Cut Ukraine in half. Russia gets what it wants, Poland gets the rest. Then NATO gets to put nukes on the Russian border via Poland. Bingo, new Cold War. Will it happen? Probably a very long shot, but upside down is sideways these days.

Or what’s left of Ukraine after Russia takes its part is the updated DMZ.

 

[wade2big]

You don't have to stay here, feel free to move to a "conscientious objector" county...we will still be obligated to keep you safe, but you won't feel like you contributed anything.

Do I agree with the US getting involved in being the police force for the world? Absolutely not. We should concentrate on keeping our country safe...along with hanging every traitor that violated their oath to the Constitution and We the People.

Every person alive today that took that oath would have to hang by your example especially those currently active. The commander in chief is an unconstitutional non elected “leader” who commands a military full of people who swore an oath to protect the constitution from the very attack that has taken place and who also swore not to obey an unconstitutional command like the only type that an illegal president and his chosen leadership could give. While I understand your sentiment, it’s all BS just as the oath and the constitution sadly turned out to be.

 

[Darayavaus]

At least you laid out what anyone with a functioning brain already know

thanks, I do my best.

 

[Cowpokey]

Every person alive today that took that oath would have to hang by your example especially those currently active. The commander in chief is an unconstitutional non elected “leader” who commands a military full of people who swore an oath to protect the constitution from the very attack that has taken place and who also swore not to obey an unconstitutional command like the only type that an illegal president and his chosen leadership could give. While I understand your sentiment, it’s all BS just as the oath and the constitution sadly turned out to be.

I did 24 years active duty, I never once violated my oath. I had a lot of people under my charge through those years, with standing orders of do exactly what I tell you; unless it's illegal, unsafe, or immoral. Take your "better than thou" attitude and fuck off. The drivel coming off your keyboard is laughable.

 

[wade2big]

I did 24 years active duty, I never once violated my oath. I had a lot of people under my charge through those years, with standing orders of do exactly what I tell you; unless it's illegal, unsafe, or immoral. Take your "better than thou" attitude and fuck off. The drivel coming off your keyboard is laughable.

While you may pretend to believe Biden is a constitutionally legal and elected president, I understand he isn’t. Article 2, Sec 1 goes into detail on the legal process that was anything but implemented. He is an imposter and so are all his policies, cabinet picks, and his order given that the military obeys are illegal. Full stop.

Article 4, Section 4 speaks of gov’ts job to protect states from invasion. This gov’t aids the foreign invasion using stolen tax dollars.

These are just two huge fucking elephants in the room that blows your argument out the water. This country is not a constitutional republic any longer. The oath takers failed and the current group all take orders from an unconstitutional commander and chief.

You call me “better than thou” when I bear the truth about the bullshit murderous gov’t you rely on for your pension so of course you guys will side with it. You are only upset with me because I am speaking up.

 

[Cowpokey]

We disagree that Biden is a constitutionally legal and elected president. Article 2, Sec 1 goes into detail on the legal process.

Article 4, Section 4 speaks of gov’ts job to protect states from invasion.

These are just two huge fucking elephants in the room that blows your argument out the water. Biden isn’t elected and the federal gov’t is aiding the foreign invasion. This country is not a constitutional republic any longer. The oath takers failed and the current group all take orders from an unconstitutional commander and chief.

You call me “better than thou” when I bear the truth about the bullshit murderous gov’t you rely on for your pension so of course you guys will side with it.

1) I never once said FJB was legally elected
2) My pension is a joke, but considering the minimum wage I worked for all those years, I appreciate your tax dollars paying for my mortgage.

 

[wade2big]

1) I never once said FJB was legally elected
2) My pension is a joke, but considering the minimum wage I worked for all those years, I appreciate your tax dollars paying for my mortgage.

Can an unconstitutional president give a constitutional legal order for the military to follow?

You should have zero pension like most all the private sector. (Not important in this conversation so I’ll drop the pension talk although it is what motivates most if not all statists and why I don’t trust any of them.)

Edit to add:
I’m just asking you to push the romanticized “protecting the constitution” and “oath” bullshit aside and look what is staring you in the face.

 

[Cowpokey]

@wade2big What have you EVER done to support this country? Do you get a pension for anything? If you do, was that part of the expected contract you signed up for? If anyone deserves a pension, it's the military. I know you hate us, you hate the police too. Move to Seattle, vote to defund/destroy law enforcement; you'll fit right in. You might be able to defend yourself for a few days...what are you going to do when you need to eat? Fuck the farmers too, right? I'm sure in your mind, you don't care about them, because you buy your food in the grocery store. We can agree to disagree, but you live under the blanket of freedom that others laid their lives down for...make no mistake about that.

 

[wade2big]

@wade2big What have you EVER done to support this country? Do you get a pension for anything? If you do, was that part of the expected contract you signed up for? If anyone deserves a pension, it's the military. I know you hate us, you hate the police too. Move to Seattle, vote to defund/destroy law enforcement; you'll fit right in. You might be able to defend yourself for a few days...what are you going to do when you need to eat? Fuck the farmers too, right? I'm sure in your mind, you don't care about them, because you buy your food in the grocery store. We can agree to disagree, but you live under the blanket of freedom that others laid their lives down for...make no mistake about that.

Didn’t you just call me a coward for not answering a bullshit question when I am asking a very relevant question that has everything to do with the fake oath you took and the bullshit constitution that you pretend to uphold and protect. I’ll ask again:

Can an unconstitutional president give a constitutional legal order for the military to follow?

No I don’t hate you but I damn sure don’t trust any of you. I’m frustrated that so many of you are blind.

There has been lives laid down for the illusion of freedom we have. Just not in any of our lifetimes.

 

[Cowpokey]

Didn’t you just call me a coward for not answering a bullshit question when I am asking a very relevant question that has everything to do with the fake oath you took and the bullshit constitution that you pretend to uphold and protect. I’ll ask again:

Can an unconstitutional president give a constitutional legal order for the military to follow?

No I don’t hate you but I damn sure don’t trust any of you. I’m frustrated that so many of you are blind.

There has been lives laid down for the illusion of freedom we have. Just not in any of our lifetimes.

It wasn't a fake oath for me, or a bullshit constitution. You have zero idea why those of us chose to wear the uniform. As much as you want to believe what you hear on tv/movies about; "they joined up to kill people, or because they had no other life path, or they are too stupid to have a real job". You do hate everyone that wears or has worn a uniform...you've made that perfectly clear to everyone except yourself. I ask you again to look in the mirror...and answer my original question. You won't, I already know that...I'm sure you voted for slick willy, and still support that scumbag and his "wife" to this day, you just don't like to be called out on it. Sleep well princess.

 

[Cowpokey]

Exactly what I expected. You don't have anything to refute what I posted. Bye.

 

[wade2big]

@Cowpokey
Deflection. It’s the tactic every statist I’ve debated turns to. It’s so damn predictable that it must be taught to ya’ll during brainwashing. I answered that foolish question long ago. I only engage with disingenuous statists to make points for others that follow along.

Anyone reading this can answer this question considering @Cowpokey can’t bear the burden truth brings:

Can an unconstitutional president give a constitutional legal order for the military to follow?

Hint: the answer is NO, he cannot. This truth shatters that whole constitution/oath propaganda to pieces.

 

[wade2big]

I know it looks as if this thread got derailed but it hasn’t. Everything posted applies to the proxy war that is being led by a rogue regime that all 50 states pretend is legitimate. It’s bad enough when our tax money is being laundered by elected criminals but it’s far worse when non elected unconstitutional “leaders” are robbing us blind and pushing us towards war in order to collapse western nations including our own. As you can clearly see, nobody that is in any gov’t position or who benefits directly from big all powerful gov, legal or otherwise, will be of help. There is the divide.

 

[Darayavaus]

which of these statements is the moral viewpoint? IMO, The morality of obedience to authority necessarily depends on the morality of the command given by authority. The order to protect our borders, and thereby protect our innocent fellow citizens within those borders is diametrically opposed to Obama's question "would you fire on American citizens?" which necessarily indicates that such an order is more than possible, but indeed likely to be given.


"With all my devotion to the Union, and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relative, my children, my home. I have, therefore, resigned my commission in the Army."

or

"From my childhood, obedience was something I could not get out of my system. When I entered the armed service at the age of twenty-seven, I found being obedient not a bit more difficult than it had been during my life to that point. It was unthinkable that I would not follow orders."

 

[theLBC]

 

[Sako man]

Does this not prove irrafutably what eighty percent of the bear pit has been saying from day one about the war in Ukraine. Zelensky is a NWO puppet, a shill, an implant. This is Russia versus the West, the WEF versus the last hold out of the old world where men have to be men, and women are still women. Where parents who take their children to drag shows would be stoned to death. Is it complex... yes, much more so than a few sentences can do justice, but if you will, you can now call me a Putin shill. I would ranter see strong men with character, right or wrong ruling their countries then corporate multi national conglomerates sending Ukrainians, or what ever the next nationality of soldier is to their certain death for profit.

Anyone who blindly saw this as a "big guy bullying a little guy", and "Putin is Hitler" can now offically go eat a bag of shit or dicks, I'm guessing they choose dicks.

Cheers!

 

[sharac]

Thats the key "sweeping before ones own house first". Easy to call Putin Putler and what should be done 1000+km from doorstep but fixing home is always a "bit" more painful. Especially considering that half of the population is FUBARed and will be either actively fighting any kind of "constitutional repair activities" or at best being a wrench in the gears of repair... So its easier to kind of lie to oneself (like most of .gov workers do- at least those that are in essence good/fair/moral like cowpokey i'm sure is) than to face bitter truth -> if you were/are .gov you are part of the problem and are the one that (most) actively enables shit to roll downhill - bar some exceptions that if caught face complete and utter "personal destruction" from their former colleagues.

 

[Bender]

“Its rumored that Zelensky was invited to Washington to act as PR man so that the Democrats can push through their $45 billion project ahead of new Congress” reports the Ukrainian TG channel Kartel.
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The new cover of "Charlie Hebdo" is dedicated to Zelensky stealing Christmas.
“Stop whining, I need it more!” Zelensky says, running away with the gifts of the Magi.
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[Bender]

Now, not only are 'we' believing Putin's lies and, now 'we' are believing the Iranian mullahs?! Hilarious. The far right has become the left. The circle has been completed.

 

[Bender]

 

[pmclaine]

Going to be a tough January and February.......

Putin rains down 120 missiles on Ukraine

Distraught civilians were pictured consoling one another amid the debris following the attacks which constituted one of Russia's largest aerial bombardments of Ukrainian civilian centres

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[pmclaine]

Questions.....do we have kamikaze cruise missiles?

 

[lariat]

Loans? Just yesterday we saw Blackrock pursuing public and private investment in Ukraine.

If someone is not keeping up, Ukraine has been given billions but doesn’t have any money to rebuild a single outhouse. So Blackrock has kindly stepped in to assist with investment vehicles which include (it appears) various loans and shareholder investment schemes. In other words, after this little disagreement is over Ukraine will be having the profits of whatever these funds are used for stripped from them to repay Blackrock, not the IMF. So Ukraine will continue to be pillaged for generations. Not that the IMF is any better, but If you tie out all the WEF players this looks like Ukraine has been fully assimilated into the “WEF alliance” as the whipping boy.

Any losses for Blackrock will be backstopped by the Fed since it is too big to fail. And is in bed with them too.

 

[fpgt72]

We should ask that once again, if this was happening in the provence of Alberta, and being armed by China, or other Canadian provences, could they win against the U.S. could they beat our forces down to even a stalemate? Long run, no way right! Russia is a massive country, with massive resources, they can churn out tanks from the Urals indefinatly.

We have lead Ukraine down the primrose pass only to it's ultimate demise. Pretty fucking evil! We set up the Ukranians to proxy fight for our cause, and only they die. We will leave them hanging once we figure out how to kick back that very last dollar in aid. This administration is not benevolent, nor do they have any good intentions. They want Putin ousted, they want Russia split and its resources flowing into their dirty little mits.

If you replace Alberta with Vietnam, or better yet Korea where the entire "UN" was at war, there is no way anyone could stand up against the might of all the countries in Korea is there.

To counter my own statement, who was "in charge" for both those events. Then after you answer that one, who was "in charge" of that country during that event......who is "incharge" of that country now.

I imagine we will see a Korea type end to this. Where the Russians get that chunk of Ukraine just like they got Crimea during the last time "those people" where in charge. And everything will go back to "normal" with the Russians saying they will not take any offensive actions against Ukraine as long as it signs no defense agreements with "the west".

That is the outcome I see.

 

[fpgt72]

It wasn't a fake oath for me, or a bullshit constitution. You have zero idea why those of us chose to wear the uniform. As much as you want to believe what you hear on tv/movies about; "they joined up to kill people, or because they had no other life path, or they are too stupid to have a real job". You do hate everyone that wears or has worn a uniform...you've made that perfectly clear to everyone except yourself. I ask you again to look in the mirror...and answer my original question. You won't, I already know that...I'm sure you voted for slick willy, and still support that scumbag and his "wife" to this day, you just don't like to be called out on it. Sleep well princess.

Just forget him, once you figure out he is nothing but a broken record and full of hot air it is just not worth the time spend. Move on, some people just want to be in pain, and are only happy if everyone else is also in pain, and if they are not they want to hurt those people.

You likely know the phrase not worth the powder, some people are not worth the pixles.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Why doesn't this surprise me...

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Questions.....do we have kamikaze cruise missiles?

Exactly, US pilots during WW2 attempted to Ram Jap ships too. We don’t call them kamikaze. We call them brave selfless warriors, Who sacrifice their lives for the good of the people.

Its hysterical, emotionally driven crap.

 

[Darayavaus]

from the 40 second mark is brutal. the guy's legs got blown literally to pieces.

In Video 18+: Night Hunt On Donbass Front Lines

Servicemen of the DPR Sparta battalion shared videos of night hunting on the AFU with quadrocopters near the village...

southfront.org

 

[Darayavaus]

Exactly, US pilots during WW2 attempted to Ram Jap ships too. We don’t call them kamikaze. We call them brave selfless warriors, Who sacrifice their lives for the good of the people.

Its hysterical, emotionally driven crap.

propaganda is a broken record. we ramped up the bullshit to the point of ridiculousness in WW1 against the Germans, who were as good and decent as any other European nation, probably more so even than the British, who might just be the biggest bastards of Europe for the last 1000 years. that bullshit propaganda stopped the chance of any normal negotiated settlement to WW1, and as a result destroyed Europe and Western Civilization, and set the stage for WW2 and everything that came afterwards.

All in order to protect British financial interests.

but oh, the evil Huns are crucifying kittens and raping nuns, torturing nurses, etc. Any emotional bullshit that will ramp people up to fight for their overlords. Same as now against Russia, who is only trying to save their national identity against the NWO.

 

[Redheeler]

And here is the New World Order’s bread basket.

 

[232593]

Going to be a tough January and February.......

Putin rains down 120 missiles on Ukraine

Distraught civilians were pictured consoling one another amid the debris following the attacks which constituted one of Russia's largest aerial bombardments of Ukrainian civilian centres

www.dailymail.co.uk

January and/or February could indeed get interesting especially if what COL (R) MacGreggor writes in this article end up being true.

Washington’s Carthaginian Peace Collides With Reality - The American Conservative

The Biden administration refuses to tell the American people the truth: Ukraine is not winning and will not win this war.

www.theamericanconservative.com

 

[232593]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

It’s going to get interesting here if Putin decides to respond in kind.

 

[37L1]

It’s going to get interesting here if Putin decides to respond in kind.

How do you know they haven't?

 

[232593]

How do you know they haven't?

Lights and power are still on for the most part.

 

[37L1]

Lights and power are still on for the most part.

Been a few "incidents" on that infrastructure lately.

 

[232593]

Been a few "incidents" on that infrastructure lately.

True, but I’m not sure that was the Russians. I would expect a larger effect out of them.

Maybe environmental wack jobs?

 

[Cowpokey]

True, but I’m not sure that was the Russians. I would expect a larger effect out of them.

Maybe environmental wack jobs?

I’d be willing to bet most of the “news” coming out of Ukraine is propaganda.

 

[Darayavaus]

and speaking of going to war over "illegal invasion" "territorial integrity" and "defense of democracy" which our media is repeating every 2 minutes, how is that thing is Syria these days? The last I heard, Israel who can do no wrong, was bombing a sovereign independent nation and killing people in an act of unmitigated aggression. Turkey, that classy NATO nation who denies it ever committed genocide against Christians, is also invading, with troops on the ground defending it's own ethnic terrorist connections and stomping the shit out of the Kurds within Syrian borders, after trying to exterminate all the Kurds within their own borders.

I forget how that all started, when we decided that Assad was the worst thing since Hitler, before Putin became the worst thing since Hitler. Something about "gassing his own people", supported by statements from activists and videos of the same crisis actors who somehow managed to become repeat victims at each and every event (that's some Tsutomu Yamaguchi level shit, there)

somebody remind me. I think this is the proof. the picture of Assad gassing his own people, right?

 

[232593]

I’d be willing to bet most of the “news” coming out of Ukraine is propaganda.

Most of it is. You never really hear much about any failures or mishaps on the Ukrainian side.

 

[Longshot231]

The economy is collapsing, inflation is rampant, we're closer to nuclear war than at any time since JFK, and Biden and his crew of schmuckfuckers is doing a con job on everybody who is willing to be conned.


Every time I hear Biden, Mitch or any of the other NWO politicians open their mouth about Russia, it's as convincing as listening to Fletch insist the problem is ball bearings.

My ex-wives were better liars.

 

[Cardboard55]

Good summary of Patriot systems and support in Ukraine, plus Taiwan 30-day warning:



Max has his analysis on point.

Side note: Davos is Jan 16-20, and they love to flaunt themselves as global peace/dealmakers.

Expect Zelensky to attend. Chinese/Taiwanese participation unknown.

Annual Meeting Davos 2023

The Annual Meeting 2023 will take place in Davos, Klosters from 16-20 January under the theme of 'Cooperation in a Fragmented World'.

www.weforum.org

 

[Sako man]

Pretty funny how the Davos/WEF police have a goat head on their patch. Symbolic....?

 

[RUTGERS95]

Pretty funny how the Davos/WEF police have a goat head on their patch. Symbolic....?


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fking losers

 

[Cowpokey]

thelogger on Gab: 'Truth about Ukraine. Trump knew from the beginni…'

thelogger on Gab: 'Truth about Ukraine. Trump knew from the beginning Trump spoke the truth Trump was hated for it Trump was right'

gab.com

 

[hlee]

'Santa Putin' features in anti-West propaganda video in Russia

The video feeds into Russian prejudices about Europe and the United States which have been fuelled by pro-Kremlin propagandists during the war in Ukraine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'Santa Putin' swaps child's same-sex parents for a mother and father and gives a football, toy cars and a drum kit to boy being raised as a girl in anti-West propaganda video​

Santa Putin brought the kid a soccer ball. He may be saved from being a tranny, but he’s still gonna be queer…

 

[RUTGERS95]

thelogger on Gab: 'Truth about Ukraine. Trump knew from the beginni…'

thelogger on Gab: 'Truth about Ukraine. Trump knew from the beginning Trump spoke the truth Trump was hated for it Trump was right'

gab.com

spot on

 

[canman]

thelogger on Gab: 'Truth about Ukraine. Trump knew from the beginni…'

thelogger on Gab: 'Truth about Ukraine. Trump knew from the beginning Trump spoke the truth Trump was hated for it Trump was right'

gab.com

I had a few problems with DJT. None of them had anything to do with Policy...Well almost anything. I wasn't voting for a Friend although I probably could use a few. I'm sure he might have some issues with me as well.. Joe Biden would and probably hate my guts... Good the feeling is mutual.

 

[Darayavaus]

Pretty funny how the Davos/WEF police have a goat head on their patch. Symbolic....?


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Baroness Rothschild used to flaunt Lucifer and Baphomet jewelry all the time, before she died and went to meet him.

 

[Cardboard55]

Pretty funny how the Davos/WEF police have a goat head on their patch. Symbolic....?


View attachment 8033103

Odd, he doesn't look Swiss...

 

[steve podleski]

The Wagner Group has run out of criminal prisoner recruits to stop bullets.

Bakhmut on the Brink as Wagner Group Suffers Heavy Losses Across Region—ISW​

Story by Isabel van Brugen • 13h ago

The battle for Bakhmut appears to be on the brink as mercenary unit, the Wagner Group, has suffered heavy losses in the city in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region, according to an assessment by the Institute for the Study of War (ISW).

Soldiers of a Ukrainian intelligence battalion drive to the frontline on December 28, 2022 in Bakhmut, Ukraine. A large swath of Donetsk region has been held by Russian-backed separatists since 2014.© Pierre Crom
The U.S.-based think tank said Wednesday that there are several indicators that support the assessment that Russian forces and members of the Wagner Group around Bakhmut have culminated—the point at which an attacking military force can no longer continue its advance.

On December 24, the ISW had said that the Wagner Group's reported heavy losses in the area in recent weeks had likely "strained" Russian forces' current operational capabilities in Bakhmut.
Russian forces in the region have been led by members of the mercenary unit, the Wagner Group, founded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
In its daily assessment of the Ukraine war, the ISW said Russian airborne forces (VDV) have reportedly been augmenting Wagner Group operations around Bakhmut, citing a Russian source that reported that Wagner and VDV elements conducted joint operations in the city on Tuesday.
"The report, if true, marks an inflection given that the Wagner Group has been conducting information operations to assert that the Wagner Group forces exclusively are operating in Bakhmut," the think tank wrote. "The conventional Russian military supporting Wagner Group elements in Bakhmut—after Wagner took efforts to emphasize it exclusively is responsible for the Bakhmut sector—would be consistent with indicators for the Wagner Group forces' culmination."
The ISW said it has previously assessed that Wagner Group forces were mainly serving an attritional role around Bakhmut and had therefore likely become degraded to a "near-debilitating extent" and "needed reinforcement from more conventional Russian elements."
"High rates of attrition amongst the forces responsible for the offensive on Bakhmut may expedite the culmination unless notable numbers of regular Russian military units are sent to sustain the offensive and delay or avert its culmination," it concluded.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had said that the intensifying battle for Bakhmut was taking a heavy toll on Russian forces while remaining the "hottest spot" in the war.