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They were leopard2A4 without era iirc, 1980’s tech that dies to heat.
The Turks had no supporting infantry and didn’t even deploy smoke when ISIS started firing missiles, I’m not sure if the tanks even returned fire.
I had heard one was destroyed by a vbied but not sure.
Current model is A7 which the Turks tried to blackmail the German government into supply/upgrading.
In February 2017, German-Turkish dual-citizen Deniz Yücel, a correspondent for periodical Die Welt, was arrested by Turkish authorities, ostensibly for being a pro-Kurdish spy. His detention caused outrage in Germany.
Ankara pointedly let it be known that if a Leopard 2 upgrade were allowed to proceed, Yücel would be released back to Germany.
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You know why there's a rank structure in the military? Because you can't stick a bunch of privates in a tank and expect it to be effective. Especially if everything is labeled in a foreign language.
But yeah, give them all the tanks they need!! As stated earlier, it'll be a great scrap yard for recycling
But yeah, give them all the tanks they need!! As stated earlier, it'll be a great scrap yard for recycling
this is from an email I sent to friends, figured Hiders are my "friends" given that people say on social media "I have 2000+ friends!"
Sh*t, in real life I have fewer friends than I have toes:
Start from the earliest August post and work your way up
I am a HUGE fan of this guy, for his clear and detailed analysis; trigger warning: he is pro-Russki
Sharing in. Case anyone else Is interested in this stuff
I still remember when the Berlin Wall came down, the Challenger exploded, and 9/11. As a fan of WW2 history the current amount of data in the world on this war is staggering… ly bad. Like the worst misinformation campaign possible. Some article said they're using military AI for Covid "misinformation" suppression; makes sense to do it for the Russo/Ukrainian war as well.
The Infographics Show on Youtube is literally a propaganda arm of the US gov. So tired of people telling me what they know about this war... and I can finish their quotes based on that stupid channel.
I linked to Montemayor’s YouTube page as well if you like to learn about WW2 historical naval battles. he does a nice job with those
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-russo-ukrainian-war
https://bigserge.substack.com/archive?sort=new
https://www.youtube.com/@MontemayorChannel/videos
Sh*t, in real life I have fewer friends than I have toes:
Start from the earliest August post and work your way up
I am a HUGE fan of this guy, for his clear and detailed analysis; trigger warning: he is pro-Russki
Sharing in. Case anyone else Is interested in this stuff
I still remember when the Berlin Wall came down, the Challenger exploded, and 9/11. As a fan of WW2 history the current amount of data in the world on this war is staggering… ly bad. Like the worst misinformation campaign possible. Some article said they're using military AI for Covid "misinformation" suppression; makes sense to do it for the Russo/Ukrainian war as well.
The Infographics Show on Youtube is literally a propaganda arm of the US gov. So tired of people telling me what they know about this war... and I can finish their quotes based on that stupid channel.
I linked to Montemayor’s YouTube page as well if you like to learn about WW2 historical naval battles. he does a nice job with those
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-russo-ukrainian-war
https://bigserge.substack.com/archive?sort=new
https://www.youtube.com/@MontemayorChannel/videos
2021 - The U.S. provided an estimated $83 billion worth of training and equipment to Afghan security forces since 2001. This year, alone (2021), the U.S. military aid to Afghan forces was $3 billion.
What do you consider the people that fall in line underneath him? Seems like the entirety of gov personnel are traitors it a man considers the whole scope of the situation.
A state only functions when people do their duty. Republicanism means choosing leaders democratically. It does not mean functionality by committee. There is an amount of following orders is that is necessary, as is also a fraction of the current bureaucracy. This is reality. You always paint with too broad a brush, and deal in absolutes. I always admire where you're coming from even if I don't agree with you.
Your Tax Dollars at Work: Ukrainian Officials Blew Millions in the US Taxpayer Dollars on Sports Cars, Mansions, Luxury Vacations, etc. | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
Ukraine is embroiled in another corruption scandal after several top officials were caught purchasing sports cars, mansions and luxury vacations as the rest of the country suffered in the war with Russia.www.thegatewaypundit.com
The WWIII headline was all over Drudge this morning. So was an article, that can’t seem to find, about us increasing ARTY production by 500% to support Ukraine.
This shit has potential to get even more interesting really quickly
It's interesting that the NATO code name is Krypton. I'm not a marvel fan, but I know what kryptonite is.
RUSSIAN KH-31PD ANTI-RADIATION MISSILE CAN DEFEAT U.S. PATRIOT SYSTEMS, MANUFACTURE SAYS
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Russian Kh-31-missile (NATO-code: AS-17 Krypton) attached to the left wing of a Russian fighter aircraft, displayed at the MAKS Airshow 2003. Taken on 22 August 2003 by Wikimedia user (Panther).
Russia’s Kh-31PD anti-radiation missile can defeat the American MIM-104 Patriot air defense system, CEO of the manufacturer, Tactical Missiles Corporation, Boris Obnosov told TASS on January 26.
Obnosov, who received the title of Hero of Russia last year, added that the advanced missile is the corporation’s and his personal pride.
The United States, Germany and the Netherlands are set to deliver three Patriot batteries to Ukraine, where Russia is currently counducting a special military operation.
The batteries will reportedly be armed with a mix of PAC-3 hit-to-kill active missiles to intercept ballistic missiles, with a range of 30-60 kilometers only, and PAC-2 blast fragmentation warhead semi-active missiles to counter aircraft threats with a range of up to 160 kilometers.
On the other side, the Kh-31PD, which entered mass production in 2012, has a maximum engagement range of up to 250 kilometers.
The missile is equipped with a passive seeker that features a unique antenna consisting of an interferometer array of seven spiral antennas mounted on a steerable platform. The seeker can detect, locate and lock on a range of radar types. The missile guidance is also aided by an inertial navigation system.
The Kh-31PD, which is armed with a 110 kg warhead, can be fitted to almost any of Russia’s tactical fighter jets, from the Mig-29 to the Su-34, Su-35 and the Mig-31.
The Russian military has been using the Kh-31PD to hunt down Ukrainian air defenses with much success, since the start of its special operation there nearly a year ago.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has already vowed to “knock down” Patriot system once delivered to Ukraine. Obnosov’s remarks to TASS shed light on one of several advanced systems the Russian military could use to successfully achieve this objective.
Yes, RT is literally a Russian gov media arm, that doesn't mean the data is false
www.rt.com
NATO member secretly provided Ukraine with fighter jets – media
Polish government sources told media that Warsaw transferred several MiG-29 jets to Ukraine last spring, disguising them as spare parts
The ones that survive, will defect to our SB and become righteous citizens of the now defunct US of A. Mac
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more of my tax dollars getting blown up.
I'll give the hohols credit for one thing though. they can run. holy shit those fuckers scatter like cockroaches.
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I'll give the hohols credit for one thing though. they can run. holy shit those fuckers scatter like cockroaches.
Destroying US M-777 Howitzers By Lancet Loitering Munition (Videos)
Russian military demonstrates effective countering of US M-777 howitzers by loitering munitions and drones. At least three howitzers were destroyed...
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point blank, literally muzzle into the gut. Russian LPR militia flush ukies out of a bunker and have a shootout.
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In Video 18+: Fatal Duel In Ukrainian Trenches
Another close-in fighting in Ukrainian trenches was filmed by Russian drone. Russian servicemen launched the mop up operation in order...
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Looks like a paintball game from that view.point blank, literally muzzle into the gut. Russian LPR militia flush ukies out of a bunker and have a shootout.
In Video 18+: Fatal Duel In Ukrainian Trenches
Another close-in fighting in Ukrainian trenches was filmed by Russian drone. Russian servicemen launched the mop up operation in order...
Serious questions for you guys more versed in Geopolitical behavior/patterns. Clearly US, EU, NATO are pushing to go "hot" against Russia. So, when US troops are "officially" (as opposed to clandestinely) on the ground in Ukraine - will Russia respond FIRST with 1) tactical nuke to Ukraine, or 2) elevated conventional warfare in Ukraine, possible 3) tactical nuke to DC?
my knee jerk thoughts:
I do not believe we are pushing to go "hot" with Russia. The goal was to grind R down economically and militarily, isolating them economically and hurting their economy & using up their supplies to make them less of a threat so we don't end up fighting with 2 near peers simultaneously should we go kinetic with China over Taiwan or any reason in the future. Take out the smaller threat, then engage the larger one from US perspective. #2 & #3 vs #1 is a very old concept
reference this old paper:
FULL TEXT: The Double Helix: China-Russia | Larchmonter 445
Vladimir Putin said it clearly: “Russia and China will have a significant effect on the entire system of international relations. The relationship will be a significant factor in world politics and will affect the contemporary architecture of international relations . . .” And to state precisely...
Except R is energy independent, and more self sufficient as a country than US or other Western allies so the sanctions aren't working except to fast forward the move away from US dollar dominance and pushing BRICS and other alliances forward that are not under the US thumb. Oil producers, China, India, etc. They use a lot of lower tech stuff, especially because we sanctioned them from getting the advanced chips produced outside of R needed for higher tech equipment. They don't seem to be running out of artillery shells or long rang missiles like we believed they would, at least at this time.
R has been fighting a very controlled war with more strategy and precision than the Western media would give them credit for. I believe R is somewhat ambivalent to whether this "war" continues or stops where it is.
They achieved their goals of "freeing" Russian areas from Ukrainian rule and at this point want a buffer zone and guarantees NATO won't come at them again and that would be an overall "win" for R. Hard for them to believe any guarantees as this point given that in 2014 the Minsk Agreements were admittedly only a ruse to give Ukraine time to receive training and weapons from NATO to harden Ukraine against Russian incursion.
But given the way sanctions and the energy flow is happening, Russia isn't really losing much of anything as it finds new buyers for their stuff. The western allies like the EU are suffering economically and NATO is literally sending ALL their military hardware to Ukraine in the hope of keeping the war/front line/fighting IN Ukraine and not in Poland, etc.
At some point, the EU is going to wake up and realize they got f*cked by the US into a war in which they are giving up everything and now have the privilege of paying far more to the US for LNG transported by ships across water instead of R natural gas directly from pipes. The common theory is that the UK and Norway? teamed up to blow the Nordstream Pipeline to prevent EU from giving up and making peace. This in effect burned the ships to ensure they stay on the course we wanted. When the Nordstream 2 pipeline was being built, the US and Germany were pushing to stop it as it would have increased Europe's dependency on R natural gas.
I do not believe R will escalate dramatically as it has demonstrated so far that they are not looking to end the world. From what my personal R & U friends have both agreed on is that if R's existence is threatened, they would rather end the world along with the end of R than to allow the world to exist without a R. We are not nearly there yet and would leave that concern on a backburner simmering for now.
There is no need for a tacN in U at this time given their standard artillery is decimating everything they want on the battlefield now. R has stated that NATO should not use depleted uranium rounds in the tanks to be shipped as that will negatively affect the ground it is used on.
If NATO pushes into R proper, pre 2022 borders, I suspect if R can't win by conventional means, they will use ANY means necessary to defend themselves including attacking CONUS in a non-nuclear manner as a warning prior.
Honestly, I'm not sure that 1. Ukraine will have enough bodies to throw at R for much longer without supplementing with NATO troops & 2. without directly engaging R as a full NATO force I'm not convinced we have much more to give U
I think we're looking at less than 200 tanks total (3 different models), and now sending F16s. The only real winners from this are the companies making shells, planes, tanks, MIC, etc.
The true losers are the cannon fodder and families/loved ones from Ukraine and Russia that have lost people, lives, homes, etc to this conflict.
And American taxpayers who are funding this sh*t. Apparently being trillions of $ in debt isn't good enough. Need to BORROW more $ to ship to Ukraine.
What about our VA hospitals? Our homeless American population? Our disabled Americans? Why is my $ going to a foreign country to be used to buy weapons to kill human beings that aren't threatening our shores?
Great artice, where it falls a little short is in the Western European economic predictions, that said many were predicting the same collapse. Otherwise very thought out.
I guess at least this way we’ll find out how good Kornet is against Chally 2, Leopard and the M1.
It has been wargamed to the death… If this will not resolve in few months expect bright flash (if lucky) or live like a mole deep underground until supplies last.
I guess people in power in the east (at least) are screened and picked carefully as i would press the red one now without an ounce of hesitation or warning to the western bitches spewing bullshit…
I guess people in power in the east (at least) are screened and picked carefully as i would press the red one now without an ounce of hesitation or warning to the western bitches spewing bullshit…
Montemayor's videos on the WWII naval battles in the Pacific are very detailed and well made.
You should also check out Drachinifel's YouTube channel of naval warfare history.
Speaking of Soros and the elimination of dissent:
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How George Soros funds ‘fact checkers’ to silence dissent
It’s not enough for George Soros to fund the media and encourage stories that back up his point of view — he has to make sure no one disagrees with it.
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That is funny! And quite likely accurate.
But for people just going a quick skim, R is for Russia; U is for Ukraine
My opinion is worth what you paid for it.
Remember when this was a key plank in the Republican during the 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns? Can't pin this solely on Obama.
The establishment wants this conflict, and right vs left has almost nothing to do with it.
U.S. to send Ukraine more advanced Abrams tanks — but no secret armor
The M1A2 version of the Abrams tank includes sophisticated optics and controls that help commanders rapidly track friendly vehicles, identify enemy positions and process artillery requests.
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So, secret electronics? Or just no "secret armor?" Sending an "A2" is not just like going out west and picking one from the tank boneyard.
It's like getting KFC... without the special herbs and spices.
Then it's just chicken, battered and fried.
Then it's just chicken, battered and fried.
It certainly seems to be long term US policy. I only mentioned Obama as a lot happened during his presidency (groundwork was laid long before but whatever, the current Ukraine/Russia situation has root back over one hundred years.) that he responded poorly to. I do not think the Republicans would have responded better but we don't live in that timeline.
This is a good thing, the European countries could have been stronger and had their own agency but instead chose to be subservient to the US while also neglecting their own armed forces as America would protect them. In light of the current situation, a strong France, Germany and Poland would be a match for modern Russia.
France and Poland are doing ok but Germany is a pathetic shell of a country.
So they are sending tanks aye... Noticed western media was pretty well silent on the missile strikes in Kiev and Odessa yesterday, which I believe do not have electricity currently. Tanks... come the fuck on.
Tanks will determine the course of the war and Russian tanks are barely functioning.
CNN says so.
citing my "source" here:
Opinion: Why tanks will be decisive in the next battle for Ukraine | CNN
After weeks of intense deliberation we have an answer -- Germany (and the US) will be sending battle tanks to Ukraine. But as David A. Andelman argues, "the West needs to get the latest generation of tanks in place quickly. The clock is ticking loudly."
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We KNOW that CNN is a truly reputable source of information. They talked to one guy about Soviet tanks ages ago as a source. As if Russian tanks can't roll over ground once it's frozen over.
except I wonder if the Abrams we're promising them past the first 2 dozen are yet to be built, assuming Ukraine jumps the line ahead of Taiwan and Poland
We have promised them more HIMARS... which will be building soon and delivered in 2024. Curious if this is the tank situation as well given that we're looking at maybe 100 Leopards, 16 Challengers, and 16-20 Abrams being delivered at this time?
That'll be like a single tank brigade? Maybe another 1/2 of a second?
A tank is good PR material. The sheeple will cheer.... Takes the focus away from the southern border.
from Russian gov propaganda arm so take this with a grain of salt, though they have been proven accurate in the past:
Polish government sources told media that Warsaw transferred several MiG-29 jets to Ukraine last spring, disguising them as spare parts.
In spring 2022, Warsaw secretly delivered several of its MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, despite the Polish government officially denying any such deals.
According to Dziennik Gazeta Prawna (DGP), the planes were sent over using a “combined” method, apparently meaning that they were delivered in a disassembled state and declared as spare parts.
“The fuselage and the wings are also spare parts,” DGP wrote Wednesday, citing sources within the Polish government.
Polish government sources told media that Warsaw transferred several MiG-29 jets to Ukraine last spring, disguising them as spare parts.
In spring 2022, Warsaw secretly delivered several of its MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, despite the Polish government officially denying any such deals.
According to Dziennik Gazeta Prawna (DGP), the planes were sent over using a “combined” method, apparently meaning that they were delivered in a disassembled state and declared as spare parts.
“The fuselage and the wings are also spare parts,” DGP wrote Wednesday, citing sources within the Polish government.
All 45 tanks they are going to send will make a good parade on main street.
those have likely already been shot down. end of summer/fall there was a lot of noise about the UAF making moves, they had been retro fitted with HARM type weapons. I was actually surprised to hear about the # of MiG29's and SU-24 being shot down... It appeared to be more than they had pre feb2022. They needed more SEAD practice... I personally assumed some how more were getting in. I have been paying attention to Ukraine aircraft losses since the 2014.from Russian gov propaganda arm so take this with a grain of salt, though they have been proven accurate in the past:
Polish government sources told media that Warsaw transferred several MiG-29 jets to Ukraine last spring, disguising them as spare parts.
In spring 2022, Warsaw secretly delivered several of its MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, despite the Polish government officially denying any such deals.
According to Dziennik Gazeta Prawna (DGP), the planes were sent over using a “combined” method, apparently meaning that they were delivered in a disassembled state and declared as spare parts.
“The fuselage and the wings are also spare parts,” DGP wrote Wednesday, citing sources within the Polish government.
Ukraine also had access to many foreign MiG29 that were in country at a repair depot. Given the situation I would assume they were utilized.
Russia better get this massive offensive started and end this bs
Please allow me to rant a bit more and state the obvious. It just needs to be said to make my heart grieve a tiny bit little less.
From an email a friend recently sent:
There is a lot of cool tech being used in this war, such as suicide drones, loitering drones, and hypersonic missiles.
I feel sad every time I see a video where people die through trench warfare, drone, artillery, missiles, etc.
Because it's young guys on both sides dying for global political interests.
You figure a young baby boy was born. His parents raised him, changed his diapers, loved him. The father probably played soccer in the street or backyard with him. He went to school. Maybe he did well, maybe he didn't. The boy probably had crushes on certain pretty Eastern European classmates. If he's 18-22, maybe he got lucky enough to sleep with one or two. Now he is hit by a missile because the a**holes running Ukraine want to participate in this proxy war against Russia.
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Rest in Peace to soldiers everywhere who throughout history have laid down their lives for their country.
From an email a friend recently sent:
There is a lot of cool tech being used in this war, such as suicide drones, loitering drones, and hypersonic missiles.
I feel sad every time I see a video where people die through trench warfare, drone, artillery, missiles, etc.
Because it's young guys on both sides dying for global political interests.
You figure a young baby boy was born. His parents raised him, changed his diapers, loved him. The father probably played soccer in the street or backyard with him. He went to school. Maybe he did well, maybe he didn't. The boy probably had crushes on certain pretty Eastern European classmates. If he's 18-22, maybe he got lucky enough to sleep with one or two. Now he is hit by a missile because the a**holes running Ukraine want to participate in this proxy war against Russia.
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Rest in Peace to soldiers everywhere who throughout history have laid down their lives for their country.
...youth is wasted on the young..
flip side to that is, that same 18 year olds ukranian grandfather was prob executed or worked to death by that same russia
as f'd up as we are the US has no understanding of being occupied waiting for a knock on the door at night
everyone on this site and every one you ever met should thank god every morning that you were born who you are and where you are
we all won the lottery of life, could have just as easily been born in the Congo or ivory coast with a much different turnout
flip side to that is, that same 18 year olds ukranian grandfather was prob executed or worked to death by that same russia
as f'd up as we are the US has no understanding of being occupied waiting for a knock on the door at night
everyone on this site and every one you ever met should thank god every morning that you were born who you are and where you are
we all won the lottery of life, could have just as easily been born in the Congo or ivory coast with a much different turnout
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