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Muh GWOT.
Hey at least the Arab spring, much like Euromaidan, was totally organic and had nothing to do with the CIA.
The problem is we're the ones setting fires across the globe, then demanding endless taxpayer money to put those fires out. It aint got nothing to do with being tough so much as thinking long and hard before using military action and fucking killing people and possibly creating more enemies than you could ever eliminate, when there could be another better option.
Behave like a mad dog and you'll be put down like a mad dog. Be quick to pull the trigger on people, someone will eventually be quick to pull the trigger on you.
We've tried playing world police, and hows that working out? The US dollar will be going down the toilet soon. BRICS is going to be a powerhouse and more and more countries will be flocking to them. Maybe if we had more "kids that got their ass beat" in decision making positions that used lethal violence more sparingly, instead of clinical psychopaths dropping hellfires on families just trying to get some water, we might engender a little more good will and loyalty amongst the world.
You say you love America dearly, I wonder what Thomas Jefferson would think about us getting involved in every single war we possibly can. Warmongers are so worried about Ukraine while at home, America burns.
China was even further from being a superpower back in the 1950s, but IIRC, they pushed McArthur back down to the 38th parallel and had him calling for putting nukes into play. Keep underestimating these motherfuckers at your own peril, we aint talking about Afghanistan or Iraq anymore.
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You just described neocon policy.
Guessing you were offended by Trump as CinC.
Only dude in last 75 years that new how to employ force judiciously with effect while not getting the US into an expanding entanglement.
Sadly I wouldn't trust him to judge the abilities of a sandlot football team though.......If anyone will pick the Brian Bosworths it will be him......if he were in charge of buying torpedoes I guarantee they will circle run.....and knowing this he will buy more.
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lol.
it is weird how the gwot included literally funding, arming and training actual terrorists.
South Korea is free and now a first world nation because of our direct involvement.
Ukraine is a different scenario. They don’t need our troops, they don’t even need our most modern weapons. They have the will to fight and a population large enough to sustain offensive and defensive actions. They just need the tools.
You do not sit idly by and watch enemies grow larger and more powerful and sit on your hands. That notion is idiotic.
The US dollar isn’t going anywhere. Stop listening to youtube idiots and look at the facts for yourself. It’s easy, stop being lazy. Any dumbass can Google usd to whatever world currency and see track records. FYI on the world state the USD is strong. Only our geopolitical enemies that foresee direct confrontation from us are unsuccessfully attempting to distance from the usd. USD is the world currency.
the real enemy of traditonal american values and freedoms are in places like brussels, new york and davos, not moscow or tehran.
Stated like the true Russian stooge you are.
Yeah, crippling oppressive dictatorships are the ally of real American values…..
This is the laughable shit I’m talking about.
just like muslim regimes we arm and support?
you can think what you want about russian culture, but imho it has nothing to do with me or hundreds of billions of our tax dollars being used to obliterate white christian men thousands of miles away. i fail to see how that lines up with any traditional american values.
on the other hand, our foreign policy has destroyed so much more...we literally armed muslim extremists and terrorists to overthrow syria.
the united nations wants to disarm us, and are funding the mass invasion at our southern border, with our taxes.
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Who blocked the peace deals last year?
The spice must flow.
The spice must flow.
Ukraine is white.
Ukraine is Christian.
Putin made this war.
Putin is killing white Christians.
You are a moron and passing along nothing but bullshit lying propaganda. The facts are smacking you in the face.
United Nations funding a mass invasion of our southern border? I’m literally laughing at your stupidity.
Illegals come here purely based on incentives. Take away the incentive you remove the illegal problem. Congress does not want to fix this. This is a domestic issue not geopolitical. But you can’t see anything but what is inline with your smooth brain ideals. Enjoy being retarded.
both sides are predominantly white christian. that is why the left loves this war.
most of the people dying, crippled, homeless or orphaned are the white christians they detest.
shame on you for sharing their joy.
And Russia should be allowed to win right?
They should be allowed to completely take over and murder 10’s of thousands of Ukrainians with no recourse. To ship Ukrainians all over the federation. To completely destroy Ukrainian language and identity?
Your mother should of swallowed or shit you out.
The fact that eludes you is this was all created by Putin. Putin invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. He could withdraw at any time.
notice how you stoop to insults rather than argue with facts or logic.
why is that? why don't you change my mind with a cogent argument on why we should fund the slaughter of white christian men.
the areas of southern and eastern ukraine were within the boundaries of russia until very recently (in historical terms).\
after lenin and the bolsheviks brutally put down the last major attempt at independence for ukraine, he attempted to dilute ukrainian culture with russians, hoping to prevent a "unified ukraine" from revolting again. you need to crack the history books.
and don't lose sight of the real reason for this war and the 2014 overthrow of the russian friendly regime in ukraine.
the reason why the US and UK wanted control of the government was to profit from trillions of dollars worth of oil, gas and other natural resources.
the fact taking a large percentage of oil and gas revenue from russia might endanger the russian economy was of course an added bonus for them.
to be surprised that russia would fight to protect those interests is retarded at best.
you almost have to believe the west provoked this war intentionally...kiling thousands of innocent civilians in the donbas...
which takes us to the theft, graft and kickbacks when you send billions into a conflict, and the profits it generates for the military industrial complex.
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it is. It's british queer slang.
we can be grateful that he didn't start talking about the time his headmaster took him behind closed doors for a good dressing down.
To theLBC - I really like your posts, which very often make perfect sense. But in case of that newcomer, it feels like you're replying to the computer, which uses "AI chip". Of course, you're free to post whatever you feel like is essential to post, but keep in mind that AI hardware and software are designed to operate in a certain way, which may or may not reflect the reality. It is called "AI", but in reality, it is not. Just another example of programming...
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i enjoy the opportunity to repeat the reasons why i am against funding this proxy war,
not necessarily for the shills i am replying to, but for new people that might be joining this tl;dr thread.
I perfectly understand your point. i slightly revised my original post to you, which now says:i enjoy the opportunity to repeat the reasons why i am against funding this proxy war,
not necessarily for the shills i am replying to, but for new people that might be joining this tl;dr thread.
"To theLBC - I really like your posts, which very often make perfect sense. But in case of that newcomer, it feels like you're replying to the computer, which uses "AI chip". Of course, you're free to post whatever you feel like is essential to post, but keep in mind that AI hardware and software are designed to operate in a certain way, which may or may not reflect the reality. It is called "AI", but in reality, it is not. Just another example of programming..."
stupidity? again with the insults?
United Nations to Hand Out Hundreds of Millions in Cash to U.S.-Bound Immigrants in 2023
This partly U.S.-funded UN cash giveaway program provides tens of millions of dollars to hundreds of thousands of migrants on their way to illegally cross the American southern border.
cis.org
sounds more like a brit to me. maybe he's a shill for british petroleum or something...
...since he has no response at all to syria, which was another war for profit operation for the us/uk corporations.
bp had plans for a gas pipeline from the gulf states through syria and turkey into the eu (another cut at russia).
the only thing in the way was assad and his secular government.
Insults? I’m calling it like it is.
You are a moron.
You are a Russian stooge.
You are purposely passing bullshit propaganda and ether know it or are too dumb to realize.
Regardless your mind will not be changed. Why should I bother? You are an asshat I will call you an asshat.
This is for normal consumption so others can see how retarded you are. This is not for you.
I actually lived in Ukraine.
I have been all over the country from Kharkiv to Lviv.
I have family still there.
I have family from Donbas.
Kyiv is much older than Moscow. Look up Kyiv Rus if you want a real history lesson.
People in some areas of modern Russia still speak Ukrainian and Surzhky(like spanglish but Russian-Ukrainian for those that don’t know).
Ukraine joined the Soviet Union of their own accord. Western Ukraine had the UPA and they fought the Soviets well into the 1950’s.
Ukraine never murdered “ethnic Russians” in the east. During 2014 most of the fighters on the Ukrainian side were from Donbas, fighting for their homes. It was a Russian invasion. Plain and simple.
Ukraine has been fighting since 2014 for their internationally recognized borders. Borders Russia agreed to when Ukraine nuclear disarmed with the signing of the Budapest memorandum.
This lines on a map Lenon shit is a direct Putin bullshit talking point.
Ukrainian language was suppressed in Soviet times.
Just because some Ukrainians speak Russian does not make them Russian. Their accent is completely different. Ukrainians in Kharkiv speak Russian and would be deeply offended today if you called them Russian.
Our tax dollars at work baby!
Too good for Joe Citizen, just good enough for senor narcotraficante.
Grupo Escorpión Hitman Is Carrying An AT4
"Sol Prendido" for Borderland Beat Are the 'Ukrainian' weapons already in Mexico?" was the image published by the Russian embassy in Mexico ...www.borderlandbeat.com
Saw that on "Redacted"- some misID'd it as a Javelin.
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lol. but are the languages mutually intelligible, Olexander?
And you are a war-monging boot-licker. Current events may be difficult to assess due to propaganda, but what happened in 2014 and since in E. Ukraine happened.
As your father should have.
the fact that you know kiev was part of russia just highlights your delusions.
at least you acknowledge the jewish pogroms and how western ukraine welcomed the nazis and helped them slaughter jews.
how come you don't admit zelensky tried to outlaw russian language in ukrainian government offices?
i'm not russian, i am just holding up western propaganda to the light.
i'm not even white, or christian.
Good observation, programmers can only take AI just so far... At a point they must "Let the Big Dog run"... And pray it does not come back to bite them in the ass....
That is the concern being reported from many than helped develop AI.
JMHO
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Lvov is Polish territory........just saying.
More idiotic shit.
Russia doesn’t have any Ukrainian orthodox churches. They sure persecute Jehovah's Witnesses though for the idiots that want to go this religious persecution route.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-prison-jehovahs-witnesses/32370284.html#:~:text=Russia%20banned%20the%20Jehovah's%20Witnesses,crackdown%20on%20the%20religious%20group.
Kirill, the leader of the Moscow church is a Putin puppet. He has declared war on the Ukrainian people.
I have family that go to this church in Ukraine. It still operates even though most want it shut down. Some church leaders have been operating as spy’s for the enemy. These churches have been shut down. You are distorting facts and ignoring religious persecution in Russia…. Good job.
I don’t think anyone elsewhere really cared about American values or traditions until we tried forcing them to be as sinful as we have become so that we could use them for our purposes. They have their own values and traditions - leave them the dignity of living their lives.
And you are correct about the enemies of traditional American freedoms and values. But don’t think for a second that their purposes aren’t to pillage Americans for every single penny until we are no more than a hollowed husk of a country.
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Just a bit of relaxation for you guys after we're being attacked by ukies again (I mean a AI computer called "oleksander", now posting as "ranger3/75")
If you like it, search Youtube for the same march, "Farewell to Slavianka" in English, or "Прощание Славянки" in Russian,
often performed in a huge number of countries all around the world, including the U.S., at least until 2022...
BTW, I do like "When Johnny comes Marching Home" very much as well, but this music seems to be mostly limited only to the U.S.
Do you happen to know what is the most popular military march in the world? Here it is, from 1912 Russia, performed in Sweden, and very close to original:
If you like it, search Youtube for the same march, "Farewell to Slavianka" in English, or "Прощание Славянки" in Russian,
often performed in a huge number of countries all around the world, including the U.S., at least until 2022...
BTW, I do like "When Johnny comes Marching Home" very much as well, but this music seems to be mostly limited only to the U.S.
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Theres a story/rumor going around right now about some high level computer simulation of an AI drone where the drone had to ask permission to fire each time, and ends up killing the operator so that it would stop being told to not fire.
Once Ukraine kicks off the super winter offensive and retakes Moscow there will be more to talk about.
So the Kraken is gonna be released... and 500k Ukranian soldiers are hidden away someplace? What about all those donated weapons/ammo stockpiles reduced to rubble.... and sold for gold on the black market...more propaganda?
Asking for a friend, of course.
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FUCK UKRAINE!
The complexities of running a superpower are obviously too vast for the average person to understand, thank goodness we have
I'm actually not familiar with that piece of history, current events might prove to be interesting.
Well Ukraine finally had the Russians right where they wanted them in Bakhmut so the Kraken was primed for release but information suddenly came down that Bakhmut isn't really strategic city and that they never wanted it anyway.
Best bet is to throw another couple billion in and see if that can jump start the Kraken.
This AI thing is not that smart, presenting as an Ukie, hate for Russians and not putting his feet where his mouth are. Kind of idiotic approach to “being credible”.
Regardless Kosovo is a bit different as its again rather complex due to history. It was a location of important battle with Ottomans that Serbs actually lost but with that loss delayed invasion of Europe. (others tend to insult Serbs that they celebrate losses a lot). But sadly in their height Ottomans were really a threat to Europe and southern areas were occupied by them and they were pretty much fucked (literally and figuratively) and substantial part of population converted to islam and some moved. A lot of children stolen to fuel the Ottoman army. So became the Bosnian muslims (aka serbs that converted, migrated Turks) and of course Shiptars/Albanians which did actually inhabit Kosovo area but were a minority. Due to economic reasons (mines and mining) communists encouraged and supported their migrations, huge fertility rate and they simply outbred the Serbs there in 70 years. Here comes a problem you claim a land and heritage but another population actually lives there in majority. Humans solve such issues almost always with maiming and killing and those that prevail write their own version of events as truth.
What do you think will be the result of all the migrations and importing of various “workers” when they outbreed the natives? I guess whites are next to be North American Indians, poetic justice and as is with this planet, life force and breeders win, degenerates and pussies die. Circle of life Simba
Regardless Kosovo is a bit different as its again rather complex due to history. It was a location of important battle with Ottomans that Serbs actually lost but with that loss delayed invasion of Europe. (others tend to insult Serbs that they celebrate losses a lot
). But sadly in their height Ottomans were really a threat to Europe and southern areas were occupied by them and they were pretty much fucked (literally and figuratively) and substantial part of population converted to islam and some moved. A lot of children stolen to fuel the Ottoman army. So became the Bosnian muslims (aka serbs that converted, migrated Turks) and of course Shiptars/Albanians which did actually inhabit Kosovo area but were a minority. Due to economic reasons (mines and mining) communists encouraged and supported their migrations, huge fertility rate and they simply outbred the Serbs there in 70 years. Here comes a problem you claim a land and heritage but another population actually lives there in majority. Humans solve such issues almost always with maiming and killing and those that prevail write their own version of events as truth.What do you think will be the result of all the migrations and importing of various “workers” when they outbreed the natives? I guess whites are next to be North American Indians, poetic justice and as is with this planet, life force and breeders win, degenerates and pussies die. Circle of life Simba
I don’t think we won the Cold War.
America itself could be ripe for a Muslim conversion. I guarantee a huge chunk of people are completely sick of seeing videos like the one posted by @Darayavaus posted above, drag queens in our fckn schools and churches, etc. Many would likely welcome a hardline traditional religion like Islam just to get rid of/unite against the degeneracy.This AI thing is not that smart, presenting as an Ukie, hate for Russians and not putting his feet where his mouth are. Kind of idiotic approach to “being credible”.
Regardless Kosovo is a bit different as its again rather complex due to history. It was a location of important battle with Ottomans that Serbs actually lost but with that loss delayed invasion of Europe. (others tend to insult Serbs that they celebrate losses a lot
What do you think will be the result of all the migrations and importing of various “workers” when they outbreed the natives? I guess whites are next to be North American Indians, poetic justice and as is with this planet, life force and breeders win, degenerates and pussies die. Circle of life Simba
the Ukrainians used to be slaves of the Poles and Lithuanians, so I guess those guys are just reasserting their dominance over the region.
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