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theLBC said:
i am shocked at how many people on this forum are cheering for untrained civilians to die for this puppet regime, and seeming to think they deserve some kind of social credits for their virtue signaling.
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did you see the video where the Ukrainian partisan guys got all hyped up after watching the propaganda and decided to take on a column of Russian AFVs with molotov cocktails?

If you want to see what 30mm autocannons do to human flesh, I could send you the link.
 
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respectfully, where the fk have you been the past several years? How many innocents have been slaughtered? The UN gave numerous accounts for several years of atrocities in the Ukraine, hell, many documented here and in the portjohn. Ukraine is not innocent

If I were Putin, I'd flood the country with troops, end this quickly and then let out all the dealings with the Bidens and dems
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"ukraine never invaded anybody"


edit: another one:

Massacre in Mariupol: Up to 100 people shot dead on day of victory over fascism – Ukraine Human Rights

ukraine-human-rights.org ukraine-human-rights.org

several links have been posted over the last week with lots of pictures of civilians blown up in Donbass, but I'm sure the mentality of some people precludes them from actually reading through the thread, instead of interjecting themselves right at the end and then demanding that everyone start at square one for them and their short attention span.
 
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theLBC said:
basically the breakaway regions were already under ethnic russian control, and ukrainian forces were already attacking them sporadically.
right or wrong, from putin's point of view, the only way to protect them was to remove the current regime's ability to attack the separatists, in particular the azov battalion that had been brutalizing the russians in that region.

as long as the US and others were continuing to arm the ukrainians and encourage them to attack in donbas, instead of sticking to the minsk accords, i don't think there was any reason for putin to believe more ethnic russians wouldn't die very soon, after all there is oil and gas to be had as soon as they eliminate the separatists and end the 8 year old conflict.
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Pretty much what I think too, minus the Azov part. In actuality it's a low-grade civil war in a country of 40million people.
 
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theLBC said:
basically the breakaway regions were already under ethnic russian control, and ukrainian forces were already attacking them sporadically.
right or wrong, from putin's point of view, the only way to protect them was to remove the current regime's ability to attack the separatists, in particular the azov battalion that had been brutalizing the russians in that region.

as long as the US and others were continuing to arm the ukrainians and encourage them to attack in donbas, instead of sticking to the minsk accords, i don't think there was any reason for putin to believe more ethnic russians wouldn't die very soon, after all there is oil and gas to be had as soon as they eliminate the separatists and end the 8 year old conflict.
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Many people in our country, and the west in general don't understand the Slav mentality.

Pan Slavism is very popular. it's the idea that all Slavs are a brotherhood, and what happens to one happens to all. The west has been trying to divide and conquer that mentality, as they are doing in Ukraine. No surprise, our totalitarian masters have been dividing and conquering the American culture for decades. It's the name of their NWO game to reduce us all into slavery. But I digress.

If you remember, WW1 began because Russia was the "protector of the Slavs" and the Austrians gave Serbia a list of ultimatums. Even though they acceded to most of the demands, Austria still invaded, and Russia jumped in as their big brother. So Russia is no stranger to stepping up to the plate to protect their "little brothers" - like Donbass.

Ukrainians and Russians are very close to being the same people. they started out as the same people. But over the last thousand years of geopolitical changes, Russia became the foremost state for the East Slavs, and Ukraine developed a jealousy complex like Poland.

Even during the Bolshevik Revolution, the Ukrainians fought both the White Army and the Bolsheviks, allowing the Bolsheviks to win. Thanks, Ukraine. But they soon regretted that.

And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis by the thousands, then fought against the nazis when they saw the tide turn, then continued to fight the soviets....basically they just wanted to fight everybody, and ended up getting their ass kicked by everybody.

But through all this, various slav minorities who are getting kicked around still appeal to Russia for help, and Russia often steps up. The Clinton's firebombing of Serbia was an exception - they wanted to stop it, but were far too weak during that time.
 
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Darayavaus said:
they were trying to hide behind the trees....but the trees are hollow now.

that must have been a hopeless feeling watching those rounds walking in.
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I know, normally they would be cover but in this case it was concealment. I mean you’re going against armor with gas in a bottle, you kind of know what you’re getting into.

Ukraine is killing their own telling them to go do it and they don’t care.
 
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Darayavaus said:
Many people in our country, and the west in general don't understand the Slav mentality.

Pan Slavism is very popular. it's the idea that all Slavs are a brotherhood, and what happens to one happens to all. The west has been trying to divide and conquer that mentality, as they are doing in Ukraine. No surprise, our totalitarian masters have been dividing and conquering the American culture for decades. It's the name of their NWO game to reduce us all into slavery. But I digress.

If you remember, WW1 began because Russia was the "protector of the Slavs" and the Austrians gave Serbia a list of ultimatums. Even though they acceded to most of the demands, Austria still invaded, and Russia jumped in as their big brother. So Russia is no stranger to stepping up to the plate to protect their "little brothers" - like Donbass.

Ukrainians and Russians are very close to being the same people. they started out as the same people. But over the last thousand years of geopolitical changes, Russia became the foremost state for the East Slavs, and Ukraine developed a jealousy complex like Poland.

Even during the Bolshevik Revolution, the Ukrainians fought both the White Army and the Bolsheviks, allowing the Bolsheviks to win. Thanks, Ukraine. But they soon regretted that.

And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis by the thousands, then fought against the nazis when they saw the tide turn, then continued to fight the soviets....basically they just wanted to fight everybody, and ended up getting their ass kicked by everybody.

But through all this, various slav minorities who are getting kicked around still appeal to Russia for help, and Russia often steps up. The Clinton's firebombing of Serbia was an exception - they wanted to stop it, but were far too weak during that time.
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it is complex to be sure.
the things that divides them is what happened between the great wars.
between 1917-1921 lenin sent in his bolsheviks to brutalize the independent minded ukrainians.
during this period there were also jewish pogroms in ukraine and pretty widespread persecution of the jewish folks.
i don't know if this was in retaliation of the bolsheviks, or if the bolsheviks were in retaliation of the pogroms.
in 1939, stalin sent in his red army to oppress the ukrainians once again, and that only ended with the arrival of the nazis.
so while they may share some common ancestry and were once part of the same soviet union, there is still significant animosity, and why there are things like the azov battalion there still today that are strongly nationalist and hate russians.
 
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Darayavaus said:
Many people in our country, and the west in general don't understand the Slav mentality.

Pan Slavism is very popular. it's the idea that all Slavs are a brotherhood, and what happens to one happens to all. The west has been trying to divide and conquer that mentality, as they are doing in Ukraine. No surprise, our totalitarian masters have been dividing and conquering the American culture for decades. It's the name of their NWO game to reduce us all into slavery. But I digress.

If you remember, WW1 began because Russia was the "protector of the Slavs" and the Austrians gave Serbia a list of ultimatums. Even though they acceded to most of the demands, Austria still invaded, and Russia jumped in as their big brother. So Russia is no stranger to stepping up to the plate to protect their "little brothers" - like Donbass.

Ukrainians and Russians are very close to being the same people. they started out as the same people. But over the last thousand years of geopolitical changes, Russia became the foremost state for the East Slavs, and Ukraine developed a jealousy complex like Poland.

Even during the Bolshevik Revolution, the Ukrainians fought both the White Army and the Bolsheviks, allowing the Bolsheviks to win. Thanks, Ukraine. But they soon regretted that.

And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis by the thousands, then fought against the nazis when they saw the tide turn, then continued to fight the soviets....basically they just wanted to fight everybody, and ended up getting their ass kicked by everybody.

But through all this, various slav minorities who are getting kicked around still appeal to Russia for help, and Russia often steps up. The Clinton's firebombing of Serbia was an exception - they wanted to stop it, but were far too weak during that time.
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Maybe today "Ukrainians and Russians are very close to being the same people." but in the beginning, R1a genetic haplogroup was in what is now called Russia and R1b was in what is now Ukraine, at the end of the last ice age the Yamnaya (R1b) moved in mass ,killing all the neolithic farmers at the beginning of the Bronze Age in their path and conquered the known World, they stopped at the Atlantic Ocean, today 60% of Europeans are R1b and 90% of British are R1b. Most Slavs are new and not ancient to the region except for the R1a Russians.
 
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akmike47 said:
I know, normally they would be cover but in this case it was concealment. I mean you’re going against armor with gas in a bottle, you kind of know what you’re getting into.

Ukraine is killing their own telling them to go do it and they don’t care.
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Rifle rounds will go through trees man, Trees are concealment not cover
 
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Californio said:
Maybe today "Ukrainians and Russians are very close to being the same people." but in the beginning, R1a genetic haplogroup was in what is now called Russia and R1b was in what is now Ukraine, at the end of the last ice age the Yamnaya (R1b) moved in mass ,killing all the neolithic farmers at the beginning of the Bronze Age in their path and conquered the known World, they stopped at the Atlantic Ocean, today 60% of Europeans are R1b and 90% of British are R1b. Slavs are new and not ancient to the region.
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yeah, well the dinosaurs were there first.

the slavs would have showed up after the Cimmerians, Celts, Scythians, and contemporaneously with the Goths.
 
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theLBC said:
they came from iran and northern india?
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lots of different theories on that. the slavic languages belong to the same Satem dialects as the Indo-Iranians, rather than the Centum branch. Most cultures are going to be linguistically and often genetically layered by successive waves of invasions. Most invasions only remove the ruling class and substitute it with a new one, leaving the subservient population intact (most but not all), so often you will see residual traces in any given population.

At one time, everybody in that part of the world from the European Scythians to the Indus had a lot in common. It wasn't until the spread of China that kicked off the age of migrations at the end of antiquity that the area really got shaken up. And of course the later Islamic and Mongol invasions changed things considerably.
 
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theLBC said:
they came from iran and northern india?
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Africa > Fertile Crescent> Area around the Caspian Sea, as shelter during the Ice Age> as the ice age receded, up the Steppes into Armenia over to Turkey and back down across the Middle East, into Switzerland and down the rivers into Central Europe and into Britain about 4,500 ybp. Yamnaya absorbed the Corded Ware and Bell Beaker Cultures, killing all the males and breeding the females. At least that is the trail as it is understood today by doing genetic testing on graves found. R1b males living in Europe or elsewhere are direct descendants of Eurasian Yamnaya, origin traced to what is now Ukraine. So the R human haplogroup, Europeans are related to Russians as opposed to the I haplogroup which is Scandinavian. The Romans mixed it up a bit moved their soldiers from place to place around Europe when they conquered Europe.

We have a Hungarian male in an Irish DNA Project because his ancestors were probably enslaved by the Romans and taken to Hungary when the troops left. We have R1b males in New Spain, Mexico, Central and South America, because of the Spanish Conquest.

Todays's European World came from the region now on fire.
 
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Darayavaus said:
Many people in our country, and the west in general don't understand the Slav mentality.

Pan Slavism is very popular. it's the idea that all Slavs are a brotherhood, and what happens to one happens to all. The west has been trying to divide and conquer that mentality, as they are doing in Ukraine. No surprise, our totalitarian masters have been dividing and conquering the American culture for decades. It's the name of their NWO game to reduce us all into slavery. But I digress.

If you remember, WW1 began because Russia was the "protector of the Slavs" and the Austrians gave Serbia a list of ultimatums. Even though they acceded to most of the demands, Austria still invaded, and Russia jumped in as their big brother. So Russia is no stranger to stepping up to the plate to protect their "little brothers" - like Donbass.

Ukrainians and Russians are very close to being the same people. they started out as the same people. But over the last thousand years of geopolitical changes, Russia became the foremost state for the East Slavs, and Ukraine developed a jealousy complex like Poland.

Even during the Bolshevik Revolution, the Ukrainians fought both the White Army and the Bolsheviks, allowing the Bolsheviks to win. Thanks, Ukraine. But they soon regretted that.

And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis by the thousands, then fought against the nazis when they saw the tide turn, then continued to fight the soviets....basically they just wanted to fight everybody, and ended up getting their ass kicked by everybody.

But through all this, various slav minorities who are getting kicked around still appeal to Russia for help, and Russia often steps up. The Clinton's firebombing of Serbia was an exception - they wanted to stop it, but were far too weak during that time.
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We get that you are PRO Russian. I bet there are more communists in Ukraine then the pro-Nazi (socialists) stuff you keep pushing.
you said
"Austria still invaded, and Russia jumped in as their big brother. " - you left out the part where they assassinated the prince.​

The assassination that started World War I​

"The attack by Serbian extremists on the heirs to the Austrian throne on June 28, 1914 sparked what was called the "July Crisis" in Europe."​
Then you said
"And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis by the thousands,"
Well, hell yea they did. After the Genocide that the Russian's committed, why wouldn't they? Genocide
That's like asking, Hey Armenians, will you now fight against the Ottomans?​

Ahh, then you gloss over the bombing of Serbia. Hmmm. There were some 'atrocities' that were committed there by the Serbs.. but then you digress
 
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babyguppy said:
We get that you are PRO Russian. I bet there are more communists in Ukraine then the pro-Nazi (socialists) stuff you keep pushing.
you said
"Austria still invaded, and Russia jumped in as their big brother. " - you left out the part where they assassinated the prince.​

The assassination that started World War I​

"The attack by Serbian extremists on the heirs to the Austrian throne on June 28, 1914 sparked what was called the "July Crisis" in Europe."​
Then you said
"And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis by the thousands,"
Well, hell yea they did. After the Genocide that the Russian's committed, why wouldn't they? Genocide
That's like asking, Hey Armenians, will you now fight against the Ottomans?​

Ahh, then you gloss over the bombing of Serbia. Hmmm. There were some 'atrocities' that were committed there by the Serbs.. but then you digress
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It seems you have difficulty focusing on the point.

My post was not about the chain of guilt for WW1, it was about the Russians being the big brother for Serbia, and their motivation for their actions.

Secondly, the Soviet leadership contained many Ukrainians, Georgians, Jews and Turkic people. GTFO with your stupid "the Russian's committed" bullshit. The soviet communists killed more Russians than the Mongols did. More than Hitler did.

And how about Serbia? Should we talk about what the Turks did to the Serbs for 500 years before Clinton started bombing? the massacres, the stealing of kids from Serbian villages, the enslavement of women, and then in more modern times the fact that the residual Muslims started up SS divisions to help the Nazi war effort by killing as many Serbs as they could? Typical. Jump in at the end without any information and declare who is right or wrong based on 5 minutes of observation.
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Darayavaus said:
It seems you have difficulty focusing on the point.

My post was not about the chain of guilt for WW1, it was about the Russians being the big brother for Serbia, and their motivation for their actions.

Secondly, the Soviet leadership contained many Ukrainians, Georgians, Jews and Turks. GTFO with your stupid "the Russian's committed" bullshit. The soviet communists killed more Russians than the Mongols did. More than Hitler did.

And how about Serbia? Should we talk about what the Turks did to the Serbs for 500 years before Clinton started bombing? the massacres, the stealing of kids from Serbian villages, the enslavement of women, and then in more modern times the fact that the residual Muslims started up SS divisions to help the Nazi war effort by killing as many Serbs as they could? Typical. Jump in at the end without any information and declare who is right or wrong based on 5 minutes of observation.
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you're gaslighting.
Let's keep it simple. Please tell - why do you think, at the beginning of the WWII, the Ukrainaians sided with the Nazis?
"And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis "
I'd love to hear your reasons. Please keep your answer to the question that was asked. Please don't play politician and dance around the question.
 
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theLBC said:
it is complex to be sure.
the things that divides them is what happened between the great wars.
between 1917-1921 lenin sent in his bolsheviks to brutalize the independent minded ukrainians.
during this period there were also jewish pogroms in ukraine and pretty widespread persecution of the jewish folks.
i don't know if this was in retaliation of the bolsheviks, or if the bolsheviks were in retaliation of the pogroms.
in 1939, stalin sent in his red army to oppress the ukrainians once again, and that only ended with the arrival of the nazis.
so while they may share some common ancestry and were once part of the same soviet union, there is still significant animosity, and why there are things like the azov battalion there still today that are strongly nationalist and hate russians.
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The Bolshevik Revolution was a Jewish revolution.
 
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babyguppy said:
you're gaslighting.
Let's keep it simple. Please tell - why do you think, at the beginning of the WWII, the Ukrainaians sided with the Nazis?
"And of course during WW2,they sided with the Nazis "
I'd love to hear your reasons. Please keep your answer to the question that was asked. Please don't play politician and dance around the question.
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no dancing at all, you are simply an idiot.

The Ukrainians sided with the Germans out of hatred of the communists. the same reason that Vlasov and the Russkaya osvoboditel'naya armiya did.

The Communist in chief at the time was a Georgian, btw. As was Beria. Yagoda, who carried out so many executions and murders during the 30's - what was he? How about Khrushchev? Timoshenko who invaded Finland - what was he?
 
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Ukrainan Minister Kuleba is the biggest bullshiter you can find, i don't know if you can find any true statements he made since this kicked off.

ROFL:ROFLMAO: Nigerian Princes , pissed that import into EU is getting taxed

The Ukrainian Embassy in Nigeria reported about 200 volunteers willing to go to war.
There is a suspicion that at least some of the volunteers are seeking not to fight for Ukraine, but to slip into the EU as refugees, albeit in a rather exotic way.
You will have to pay for the right to become a volunteer interested Nigerians (!) will have to pay 580,000 naira (about a thousand dollars) for a visa and a ticket.

Nigerians Applying To Fight For Ukraine Must Provide N580,000— Embassy
The announcement did not go down well with the Nigerians who lamented that the price was too high.
 
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theLBC said:
basically the breakaway regions were already under ethnic russian control, and ukrainian forces were already attacking them sporadically.
right or wrong, from putin's point of view, the only way to protect them was to remove the current regime's ability to attack the separatists, in particular the azov battalion that had been brutalizing the russians in that region.

as long as the US and others were continuing to arm the ukrainians and encourage them to attack in donbas, instead of sticking to the minsk accords, i don't think there was any reason for putin to believe more ethnic russians wouldn't die very soon, after all there is oil and gas to be had as soon as they eliminate the separatists and end the 8 year old conflict.
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every once in a while, someone reposts videos of the Ukrainians crucifying and lighting people on fire back in 2014-2016. They were trying to "send a message to the separatists" to submit or be destroyed mercilessly.

of course Youtube will remove the videos as quickly as possible so no one sees that reality. 2 days ago one surfaced again and it took the gatekeepers of information only 34 minutes to sniff it out and remove it.

there is a narrative to uphold. Same with the anti-Trump narrative, the anti-gun narrative, etc.
 
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babyguppy said:
so you think this part was stupid?
"Putin argues that Crimea was unlawfully given to Ukraine in the 1950s and, true or not, he wants it back. Well, Ukraine will never get Crimea back under any conditions without a major war"​
Are you saying Putin doesn't believe this?
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Stalin pushed Ukraine west, taking Polish land increasing his "buffer".

The Crimea was purged of Tartar sauce and made part of the Ukraine.
 
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Darayavaus said:
no dancing at all, you are simply an idiot.

The Ukrainians sided with the Germans out of hatred of the communists. the same reason that Vlasov and the Russkaya osvoboditel'naya armiya did.

The Communist in chief at the time was a Georgian, btw. As was Beria. Yagoda, who carried out so many executions and murders during the 30's - what was he? How about Khrushchev? Timoshenko who invaded Finland - what was he?
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got it, anyone that brings up points, must be an idiot. Russians are the first to insult. They love the 'idiot' word.
I guess we are supposed to blindly follow you, like Commies to Putin.
you still danced around the Genocide, and just called it a hatred.
"The Ukrainians sided with the Germans out of hatred of the communists."​
Hatred, from the Genocide the Commies/Russians/Soviets committed.
I still haven't heard you admit that the commies committed Genocide; just, "hatred of the communists."
Where do you think that hatred stemmed? Sponge bob reruns?
 
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theLBC said:
i am shocked at how many people on this forum are cheering for untrained civilians to die for this puppet regime, and seeming to think they deserve some kind of social credits for their virtue signaling.
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Thinking BFC did not post that in the way you took it.

But if anyone does go he would like them to bring a side of skank back.
 
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babyguppy said:
got it, anyone that brings up points, must be an idiot. Russians are the first to insult. They love the 'idiot' word.
I guess we are supposed to blindly follow you, like Commies to Putin.
you still danced around the Genocide, and just called it a hatred.
"The Ukrainians sided with the Germans out of hatred of the communists."​
Hatred, from the Genocide the Commies/Russians/Soviets committed.
I still haven't heard you admit that the commies committed Genocide; just, "hatred of the communists."
Where do you think that hatred stemmed? Sponge bob reruns?
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Jews were scapegoats in europe for centuries ,pogroms of jews were quite frequent, eastern europe quite enthusiaticaly participated with the germans in their extermination, till jews conquered US finance and Hollypedowood they were shunned even in US. Them running the show in US like they do today is a rather new age development.
Commies were Jews you can put 2 and 2 together
 
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