Is something going on in Ukraine?

[pmclaine]

The US is intimately connected with Europe and Asia in trade, energy, and military permanent-basing to maintain stability of the first 2.

Because of our economic power, industrial capacity, geographic potential, and rise over the British Empire post-WWII, every nation with any sense of long-term viability has invested heavily in co-opting as many assets within our government and industries for their own interests.

Biden has been a puppet for the Soviets/Russia since no later than 1972 when they financed his Senate campaign for Delaware. Chinese got on board with the Biden family no later than the 1990s.

Bush Sr.’s The China Diary explains some of his formative years as US Ambassador to China in the early 1970s. Te Bush family are shocking sinophiles if you ever listen to them talk about China.

Multiple Senators and defense officials are assets for Russia and China. Remember Diane Feinstein and her chauffeur? Look at CUSEF-sponsored trips for US Representatives to China by the CCP:

China-United States Exchange Foundation (CUSEF). After each visit, CUSEF and its lobbying firm would “work with the former Congressmen to create reports on their experiences that will be distributed to politicians, experts, and other relevant individuals and organizations in the US.”

Officials who participated were:

• Congressman Timothy Roemer (D-IN)
• Congressman Cliff Stearns (R-FL)
• Congressman Mike Ross (D-AR)
• Congressman Jim McCrery (R-LA)
• Congressman Thomas Petri (R-WI)
• Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
• Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND)
• Senator John Sununu (R-NH)
• Congressman Jon Christensen (R-NE)
• Congressman Jim Slattery (D-KS)
• Congressman Steve Bartlett (R-TX)
• Congressman Don Bonker (D-WA)
• Congressman Phil English (R-PA)
• Congressman Martin Frost (D-TX)
• Congressman Barbara Kennelly (D-CT)
• Congresswoman Connie Morella (R-MD)
• Congressman John Tanner (D-TN)
• Governor Bob Holden (D-MO)
• Mayor James Brainard (R-IN)
• Mayor Paul TenHaken (R-IA)
• Mayor Jamael Tito Brown (D-OH)
• Mayor Richard Carr (R-OH)
• Lieutenant Governor Michael Fedele (R-CT)
• State Representative Mark Parkinson (R-ID)
• Governor Jim Folsom Jr. (D-AL)
• Lieutenant Governor Barbara Lawton (D-WI)
• Brian Rolicki
• State Senator Steve Harrelson (D-AK)
• State Senator Mark Norris (R-TN)
• State Representative Robbie Wills (D-AK)
• State Representative Jim Tucker (R-LA)
• State Representative Seth Hammett (D-AL)
• State Senator Ron Richard (R-MO)
• State Senator Chuck Colgan (D-VA)
• Lieutenant Governor Cyrus Habib (D-WA)
• Lieutenant Governor Rebecca Kleefisch (R-WA)
• Congresswoman-Elect Nicole Malliotakis (R-NY)
• State Representative Clarice Navarro (R-CO)
• Commissioner Bridget Gainer (D-IL)
• Mayor Michael Copeland (KS)
• Treasurer Tishaura Jones (D-MO)
• Congressman Charles Boustany (R-LA)
• State Representative L.F. Payne (D-VA)
• Congressman Gary Franks (R-CT)
• Congressman Brian Baird (D-WA)
• Congressman Mike Mclntyre (D-NC)

Look at how many Representatives even on the Foreign Relations Committees hold stock in Russian and Chinese companies.

Democrat Senator Diane Feinstein, CA. Since her time in the Senate, Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum, has grown extremely rich. One could be suspicious of the $25 billion deal the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation struck with the senator’s husband’s real estate company during the housing crash of 2009. It raises an eyebrow that as chair of the Military Appropriations Subcommittee, Feinstein approved millions in contracts benefiting her husband’s firm. One may question how Blum acquired a lucrative $108 million contract to sell post offices in California.

Republican Rep. Mike McCaul, Texas. His net worth was $114 million with huge holdings in Russian energy/gas during the Obama years. Now he’s worth $200 million. His 2012 stocks report was over 100 pages long.

Florida Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson, another former Foreign Affairs Committee member, also holds a significant stocks in Lukoil, having reported owning between $500,000 and $1 million in Lukoil stock in 2012. He tried running for Senate in Florida when he lost the seat in the house, and is currently on the ballot for Senate in this 2022 cycle. He got a taste of that career insider-trading that Congress enjoys, and wants back in the action after sacrificing his House seat to run for Senate. He has plenty of money to weather a few political campaigns to get more experience running for the big show in the Senate, where Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Pakistanis, etc. will pay millions for you to betray your Nation.

Former North Carolina Democrat Sen. Kay Hagan had a lot of stock in Russian cell phone telecom giant, Mobile Telesystems.

Kentucky Republican Rep. Hal Rogers, who has been in Congress since 1981, had huge holdings in Gazprom. I can’t see any of his assets past 2018 on Open Secrets, but his financial portfolio is encyclopedic. 160 assets in 2018, 73 in 2015 $1.3-$5.3 million...you could spend all day studying the assets of these people and barely scratch the surface. Open Secrets shows if they lobbied for and got contributions from these corporations. He’s also invested heavily in, sponsored by, and takes donations from Alphabet Inc.

Democratic Rep. Lois Frankel (Fla.) had the most diversified Russian portfolio in 2014, and she’s still in office. Frankel owns shares of Gazprom, Lukoil, Mobile Telesystems, Yandex, Sberbank Russia and MMC Norilsk Nikel, a Russian mining conglomerate, all through a series of Morgan Stanley IRA funds. Frankel is also a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee.

If you audited all the members of the Foreign Relations Committee, House Armed Services Committee, Senate Intelligence Committee, you would find more of these types of conflicts of interests. You start to see how they don’t give a rip about you and your family or our Nation, as long as they reach millions and in some cases, hundreds of millions of net worth for themselves.

We could literally do this all day. The world is a smaller place than it has ever been, and our destinies are intertwined whether you like it or not. It takes a lot of work to become informed on these matters outside of the presstitute brothel of corporate whore, former mainstream media, and the new barrage of social media that is much easier to manipulate.

The idea that we should “just worry about ourselves and our own problems” falls apart when you learn how compromised our government is, and how treason is an institutional imperative just to get considered for office. Right now, the ones holding stocks in Russian energy giants are making a killing because the price for a barrel of oil is quite high, and Russia and China already agreed to a huge long-term oil trade deal in 2013 to hedge against US energy production and instability in Ukraine.

You just made my argument for "Fuck Ukraine, let's fix here first."

 

[RGStory]

Just checking in to see if the Russians accomplished anything today.

They've taken no new major objectives.
They lost another unit commander.
They were repelled from another town.
They still have not yet secured their overextended supply lines to the NE of Kiev.

 

[n2ishun]

Just checking in to see if the Russians accomplished anything today.

They've taken no new major objectives.
They lost another unit commander.
They were repelled from another town.
They still have not yet secured their overextended supply lines to the NE of Kiev.

If I was you, first thing I would do is question my sources.
Yes, even this site as a source.
How do you know anything you posted is correct ?
You don't.
I don't.
The only people that really know are unable to say one way or another due to our government gagging them, opsec rules of war, or inability to communicate due to no available comms device.

So yea, there's that.

 

[NoDopes]

"Outlines of potential Ukraine peace deal revealed by Russia
Moscow’s top negotiator says Kiev has proposed the adoption of a neutral status similar to Austria or Sweden
Outlines of potential Ukraine peace deal revealed by Russia
© Telegram / vr_medinskiy
Vladimir Medinsky, Russia’s top negotiator at the peace talks with Ukraine, has said that Kiev is floating the idea of becoming a neutral nation.

“Ukraine is proposing an Austrian or a Swedish model of a neutral demilitarized state, but with its own army and navy,” Medinsky told reporters on Wednesday, adding that “the size of Ukrainian Army” was among the issues discussed.

Moscow wants Ukraine to officially become a neutral country that will never join NATO. Russia attacked Ukraine on February 24, saying that it was seeking the “demilitarization” of the country, among other demands.

Medinsky reiterated that Moscow wants Kiev to recognize Crimea as part of Russia, and the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), which broke away from Ukraine shortly after the 2014 coup in Kiev. Other key issues of concern for Russia are the “denazification” of Ukraine and the rights of Russian speakers living in the country, the negotiator said.

“There was some progress on several issues, but not all of them,” Medinsky said about the talks with Kiev.

Commenting on this model of Ukrainian neutrality, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said “it can be viewed as a certain compromise.”

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Austria declared itself a neutral country in 1955. Its laws ban the nation from joining military alliances and hosting foreign military bases on Austrian soil.

Sweden is often described as a ‘non-aligned’ country, given its longstanding tradition of not formally joining any military bloc. It is not a NATO member and has no foreign bases on its territory.

However, in response to the Russian attack on Ukraine, NATO invited non-members Sweden and Finland to attend the US-led bloc’s meetings and decided to share intelligence with them.

The Ukrainian leadership previously said it was ready to discuss potential neutrality with Russia. At the same time, President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukraine must receive “security guarantees” from Russia and the West.

Moscow attacked its neighbor in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.

Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force."
-rt.com

 

[Mr.BR]

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Who knew that a bit west of Stalingrad high speed and low drag might have a slightly different meaning.

 

[eca7891]

You just made my argument for "Fuck Ukraine, let's fix here first."

There is ZERO desire to do anything remotely close to this in the current administration.

Folks on here like to throw around the phrase “ buy more ammo”. You had better change that mindset to buy more self sustaining ability. Put some buffer between you and everything that is currently provided for you; electricity, food, heat ect. Costs may well be heading towards the sky.

 

[theLBC]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

O fox... I know you lie.

They ain't the only ones.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Watch the back door.

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/g/x/m/t/gxmtd.caa.mp4?u=0&b=0

 

[RGStory]

If I was you, first thing I would do is question my sources.
Yes, even this site as a source.
How do you know anything you posted is correct ?
You don't.
I don't.
The only people that really know are unable to say one way or another due to our government gagging them, opsec rules of war, or inability to communicate due to no available comms device.

So yea, there's that.

When both sides agree on a subject its generally reliable.
I.E. On the subject of if the Russians are shelling cities.

Russia: "Shelling legitimate military targets in the cities."
Ukraine: "Shelling our residential areas."

Conclusion: "Russians are shelling cities."

Inferred conclusions:

Russia: "Shelling military targets in Irpin."
Ukraine: "Pictures of Ukrainian military in Irpin being shelled."

Conclusion: "Russia has not taken Irpin."

 

[theLBC]

 

[Darayavaus]

Just checking in to see if the Russians accomplished anything today.

They've taken no new major objectives.
They lost another unit commander.
They were repelled from another town.
They still have not yet secured their overextended supply lines to the NE of Kiev.

totally incorrect. things are starting to break open there. 12,000 AFU troops in Mariupol are about to be lost. their entire defensive network has broken down, and since the town is pro-Russian, the civilians are now pointing out AFU positions in their neighborhoods so Russian troops can eliminate them. The AFU was holding these people hostage, and now they are getting theirs. Some mass graves have also been found. Azov is down to the 4th or 5th interim commander, who is a 20-something year old kid. The rest are dead.

There is another cauldron south of Kharkiv, and the bulk of AFU troops which were staging near Donetsk are being pushed back and surrounded as well.

In my opinion, the troops just sitting near Kiev are a "holding force" to prevent Kiev from sending forces to the South east, which is where the main focus of all this has always been.

 

[Darayavaus]

When both sides agree on a subject its generally reliable.
I.E. On the subject of if the Russians are shelling cities.

Russia: "Shelling legitimate military targets in the cities."
Ukraine: "Shelling our residential areas."

Conclusion: "Russians are shelling cities."

Inferred conclusions:

Russia: "Shelling military targets in Irpin."
Ukraine: "Pictures of Ukrainian military in Irpin being shelled."

Conclusion: "Russia has not taken Irpin."

Ukraine: "without Western help we will lose".

conclusion: they are not winning.

 

[LRRPF52]

Zelensky concedes ‘Ukraine will not become a member of NATO’

In an unequivocally clear message, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky denied NATO forces. “Ukraine will not become a member of NATO” stated the President. In a translated speech at a meeting with leaders of the U.K. Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) in London on Tuesday morning, Zelensky...

saraacarter.com

give up on crimea, unless you were going to retake it.
give up on the donbass region, unless you were going to retake it.

if your intention was to retake donbass and crimea, then putin wasn't lying about invading to stop the massacre of the ethnic russians there.

How are you still being played so easily? Putin doesn’t give a rip about ethnic Russians in Donbas or Crimea, other than to act as pons to justify taking those pieces of key real estate. He initiated the false flag ethnic Russian killings, just like the Chechen terrorist bombings in Russia as a pretext for invading and executing the 2nd Chechen War in 1999 when he was head of FSB.

You can’t wrap this up into a nice little package that is understood through the attention-deficit brain with zero relevant knowledge of what’s going on there prior to current events. Stop being fed by social media posts from equally-uninformed people, and spend some time studying all the relevant data before posting really low-information propaganda.

You’re not helping in the slightest by regurgitating this crap.

 

[RUTGERS95]

How are you still being played so easily? Putin doesn’t give a rip about ethnic Russians in Donbas or Crimea, other than to act as pons to justify taking those pieces of key real estate. He initiated the false flag ethnic Russian killings, just like the Chechen terrorist bombings in Russia as a pretext for invading and executing the 2nd Chechen War in 1999 when he was head of FSB.

You can’t wrap this up into a nice little package that is understood through the attention-deficit brain with zero relevant knowledge of what’s going on there prior to current events. Stop being fed by social media posts from equally-uninformed people, and spend some time studying all the relevant data before posting really low-information propaganda.

You’re not helping in the slightest by regurgitating this crap.

false flag? There is documented cases by the UN and other agencies by the Ukrainian gov't. Putin isn't wrong in the grand scheme of things here.

 

[LRRPF52]

elon running his blow hole about taking on putin in the ring....about as smart as LARPers going to ukraine to take on the russians. that shit wont turn out quite the way they imagine it will in their little fantasy imagination land. putin is a killer; elon is a soy boy. but i would pay per view that shit, and laugh my ass off the entire time.

Elon Musk has accomplished more transportation, energy, military, industrial, and scientific advancement in 2 decades than Putin has in his entire life. I’m not an Elon fanboy, just calling it as it is. Musk has made Russia look impotent when it comes to space. Going into space is a big deal in the Russian psyche, and they don’t particularly like the fact that some inventor/entrepreneur in the US could just cook-up his own space program in the private sector. Young Russians watching that kind of thing unfold get far more inspired by that than a former KGB oligarch ring-maker running a kleptocracy, with zero innovation to speak of in anything he has ever done in his life.

The rigged judo demos where judo students were told to let Putin throw them around does not even measure on the scale of reality. If you’re in the West in you buy into that level of child-brain Russian propaganda, you’re failing at life and should confiscate your internet privileges from yourself.

 

[Darayavaus]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed a bill providing $13.6 billion in additional military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine as part of a $1.5 trillion government spending measure that omits COVID-19 aid the White House says is urgently needed.

Biden signs budget bill with Ukraine aid but no virus cash

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed a bill providing $13.6 billion in additional military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine as part of a $1.5 trillion government spending me…

www.pe.com

so work harder and pay your taxes. what percent of that will be laundered and kicked back to Joe, Hunter, and the members of congress who voted for it?

 

[LRRPF52]

false flag? There is documented cases by the UN and other agencies by the Ukrainian gov't. Putin isn't wrong in the grand scheme of things here.

Did you not look at the timeline and notice that all of a sudden, these attacks on ethnic Russians just so happened coincidentally after Ukraine ousted Yanukovych?

Same as the bombings of apartment buildings right before the 2nd Chechen War.

 

[theLBC]

How are you still being played so easily? Putin doesn’t give a rip about ethnic Russians in Donbas or Crimea, other than to act as pons to justify taking those pieces of key real estate. He initiated the false flag ethnic Russian killings, just like the Chechen terrorist bombings in Russia as a pretext for invading and executing the 2nd Chechen War in 1999 when he was head of FSB.

You can’t wrap this up into a nice little package that is understood through the attention-deficit brain with zero relevant knowledge of what’s going on there prior to current events. Stop being fed by social media posts from equally-uninformed people, and spend some time studying all the relevant data before posting really low-information propaganda.

You’re not helping in the slightest by regurgitating this crap.

you have not been following.
my personal belief is that the "west" and russia are fighting over gas and oil deposits in the contested areas.
if there was no oil or gas, i don't think ukraine would give a fuck of about donetsk and luhansk, and they would not have killed thousands of ukrainians if there wasn't money to made.

this doesn't change the fact that zelensky is a puppet for soros, the WEF and the deep state.
the west used zelensky to goad putin into doing something, because they need a distraction from the clotshot debacle.

 

[LRRPF52]

"Outlines of potential Ukraine peace deal revealed by Russia
Moscow’s top negotiator says Kiev has proposed the adoption of a neutral status similar to Austria or Sweden
Outlines of potential Ukraine peace deal revealed by Russia
© Telegram / vr_medinskiy
Vladimir Medinsky, Russia’s top negotiator at the peace talks with Ukraine, has said that Kiev is floating the idea of becoming a neutral nation.

“Ukraine is proposing an Austrian or a Swedish model of a neutral demilitarized state, but with its own army and navy,” Medinsky told reporters on Wednesday, adding that “the size of Ukrainian Army” was among the issues discussed.

Moscow wants Ukraine to officially become a neutral country that will never join NATO. Russia attacked Ukraine on February 24, saying that it was seeking the “demilitarization” of the country, among other demands.

Medinsky reiterated that Moscow wants Kiev to recognize Crimea as part of Russia, and the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), which broke away from Ukraine shortly after the 2014 coup in Kiev. Other key issues of concern for Russia are the “denazification” of Ukraine and the rights of Russian speakers living in the country, the negotiator said.

“There was some progress on several issues, but not all of them,” Medinsky said about the talks with Kiev.

Commenting on this model of Ukrainian neutrality, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said “it can be viewed as a certain compromise.”

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Austria declared itself a neutral country in 1955. Its laws ban the nation from joining military alliances and hosting foreign military bases on Austrian soil.

Sweden is often described as a ‘non-aligned’ country, given its longstanding tradition of not formally joining any military bloc. It is not a NATO member and has no foreign bases on its territory.

However, in response to the Russian attack on Ukraine, NATO invited non-members Sweden and Finland to attend the US-led bloc’s meetings and decided to share intelligence with them.

The Ukrainian leadership previously said it was ready to discuss potential neutrality with Russia. At the same time, President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukraine must receive “security guarantees” from Russia and the West.

Moscow attacked its neighbor in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.

Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force."
-rt.com

Which president made the following statements:

2001:
“we differ in the ways and means we perceive that are suitable for reaching the same objective… [But] one can rest assured that whatever final solution is found, it will not threaten … the interests of both our countries and of the world.” In an interview that month, _____ declared, “Russia acknowledges the role of NATO in the world of today, Russia is prepared to expand its cooperation with this organization. And if we change the quality of the relationship, if we change the format of the relationship between Russia and NATO, then I think NATO enlargement will cease to be an issue—will no longer be a relevant issue.”

When NATO announced in 2002 its plan for a major wave of expansion that would include three former Soviet republics—Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, _________ barely reacted. He certainly did not threaten to invade any of the countries to keep them out of NATO. Asked specifically in late 2001 whether he opposed the Baltic states’ membership in NATO, he stated, “We of course are not in a position to tell people what to do. We cannot forbid people to make certain choices if they want to increase the security of their nations in a particular way.”

_______ even maintained the same attitude when it was a question of Ukraine someday entering the Atlantic Alliance. In May 2002, when asked for his views on the future of Ukraine’s relations with NATO, _________ dispassionately replied, “I am absolutely convinced that Ukraine will not shy away from the processes of expanding interaction with NATO and the Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO; there is the Ukraine-NATO Council. At the end of the day, the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine. It is a matter for those two partners.”

Fill in the blanks...

 

[Darayavaus]

you have not been following.
my personal belief is that the "west" and russia are fighting over gas and oil deposits in the contested areas.
if there was no oil or gas, i don't think ukraine would give a fuck of about donetsk and luhansk, and they would not have killed thousands of ukrainians if there wasn't money to made.

this doesn't change the fact that zelensky is a puppet for soros, the WEF and the deep state.

what I find hilarious is the "Russia needs more territory" fox neocon bullshit. Russia has so much land that most of it is vacant wilderness. they are not doing this as a land grab.

ok, I'll butt out now. back to LARPER52, the poster with Asperger's who is barfing out every FOX news, deep state anti-Russia, pro-Soros bit of propaganda he can cut and paste.

 

[babyguppy]

Never ever give up your weapons. Ukraine might have some more pull if they still had a nuclear deterrent.
Budapest agreement

 

[LRRPF52]

you have not been following.
my personal belief is that the "west" and russia are fighting over gas and oil deposits in the contested areas.
if there was no oil or gas, i don't think ukraine would give a fuck of about donetsk and luhansk, and they would not have killed thousands of ukrainians if there wasn't money to made.

this doesn't change the fact that zelensky is a puppet for soros, the WEF and the deep state.
the west used zelensky to goad putin into doing something, because they need a distraction from the clotshot debacle.

Uh yeah, I have been following.....since the 1970s.

True or false, China is playing all the sides against each other to secure better oil/NG, minerals, and grain exports for the Chinese economy, while wearing one of their biggest regional rivals-Russia.

Russia’s China Gamble

Already in the summer of 2013, Russia and China signed onto huge 30 and 25 year energy deals right before the Euromaidan protests, as the tensions about the release of Tymoshenko were building, and it was clear the Ukrainian people wanted to trade with the EU, while puppet Yanukovych was being pressured into signing the CIS-Eurasian economic alliance with Putin. That’s what this all hinges on, and China watched and schemed very carefully knowing that volatility would soon be entering the oil/NG, grain, and mineral markets.

They did a $400 billion deal with Gazprom, and a $270 billion deal with Rosneft in 2013:

On the surface, the emerging Sino-Russian energy partnership appears to be mutually beneficial to both parties. While Chinese involvement in the Arctic is particularly revealing, it is by no means the only example of cooperation. CNPC’s thirty-year, $400 billion import contract with Gazprom, along with a twenty-five-year, $270 billion contract with Rosneft, both signed in 2014, represent a clear commitment to long-term energy trade with Russia.40 Furthermore, Sino-Russian energy partnership opens new pathways to pursue China’s stated goal of growing the technical and industrial capacity of its own service companies on a global scale.

And of course, both of these world powers have everyone and their brother/son literally on their payrolls at the upper echelons of the US Executive and Legislative branches of government...

 

[theLBC]

Uh yeah, I have been following.....since the 1970s.

True or false, China is playing all the sides against each other to secure better oil/NG, minerals, and grain exports for the Chinese economy, while wearing one of their biggest regional rivals-Russia.

Russia’s China Gamble

Already in the summer of 2013, Russia and China signed onto huge 30 and 25 year energy deals right before the Euromaidan protests, as the tensions about the release of Tymoshenko were building, and it was clear the Ukrainian people wanted to trade with the EU, while puppet Yanukovych was being pressured into signing the CIS-Eurasian economic alliance with Putin. That’s what this all hinges on, and China watched and schemed very carefully knowing that volatility would soon be entering the oil/NG, grain, and mineral markets.

They did a $400 billion deal with Gazprom, and a $270 billion deal with Rosneft in 2013:



And of course, both of these world powers have everyone and their brother/son literally on their payrolls at the upper echelons of the US Executive and Legislative branches of government...

i don't think i have disagreed with much or anything you posted on this topic, other than the fact that you think i am shlling for one side or the other.

 

[Darayavaus]

And another funny thing is the accusation that "Russia didn't start talking about oppression of ethnic Russians until after 2014." no shit. that's because it became an issue after the radical, soros-installed Lvov-based juanta took over and started the problem.

Sound familiar? It's the same thing the Soros-funded color revolutions did throughout the Muslim world, and just like they tried to do by funding terrorists in Syria, (where the people WE funded started killing Christians and Kurds, as well as pro-Syrian supporters). And just like they try to do in the USA with their race riots, CRT hatred, and every other form of divide-and-conquer race baiting.

 

[theLBC]

what I find hilarious is the "Russia needs more territory" fox neocon bullshit. Russia has so much land that most of it is vacant wilderness. they are not doing this as a land grab.

russia already has vast expanses of worthless territory. i tend to believe this is more about protecting oil and gas revenues and preventing the west from buying it from somebody else.

 

[babyguppy]

13.6 billion dollars for emergency aid to Ukraine - don't forget 10% to the big guy

$1.5 trillion government funding bill with emergency aid to Ukraine​

bill
ahh, taxpayer dollars at work...

 

[LRRPF52]

what I find hilarious is the "Russia needs more territory" fox neocon bullshit. Russia has so much land that most of it is vacant wilderness. they are not doing this as a land grab.


ok, I'll butt out now. back to the poster with Asperger's who is barfing out every FOX news, deep state anti-Russia, pro-Soros bit of propaganda he can cut and paste.

You just don’t have a basic level understanding of geography is all. A vast interior wilderness filled with every mineral and tree does you no good if you can’t get it to market. What is the primary method of trade globally to transport goods? Shipping, at well over 90%.

Look at this pathetic map of Russia’s few sea ports, even counting Kaliningrad (not Russia)

What do you need to ship goods? Sea ports in the temperate zone with access to primary trade routes. Ukraine has been the primary coastal access for Russia and the Soviet Union for hundreds of years. Most of the Soviet Navy was built there, in 13 naval yards. That’s where the carriers, destroyers, frigates, and other large displacement vessels were built.

Ukrainian Sea Ports Map

Ukraine has the same number of sea ports as the entirety of Russia if we count Kaliningrad. Alaska alone has more than either Ukraine or Russia, as does just the US West Coast alone. US Gulf Coats, East Coast, and St Lawrence also have substantially more sea ports than Russia and Ukraine combined.

A huge failure of Russians is understanding their geography. All they are told is how balshoi Russia is, Russia biggest, Russia best, when they are not shown how land-locked Russia is and how handicapped Russia is when it comes to trade. It’s not anyone’s fault, just the way the land is structured. Most of the few Russian sea ports there are have freezing temps most of the year. When you try to run dock work in freezing conditions, it sucks for both men and machine, isn’t very efficient or easy at all.

Americans are equally retarded about geography, even more so, because we are so isolated from the world by 2 huge oceans. A common joke is: “Why does America go to war? So we can learn geography.” Just as an example relevant to this discussion, look at US coastal sea ports compared to Russia. And you wonder why the US has the greatest economy in the world....


US Sea Ports

US Connected River Network, Paralleled with Rail Lines

The only reason other nations in Eurasia know geography better is because they are surrounded by other countries. Since we have 12-13 years of public school, kids are taught basically nothing about the world, and grow up to be retarded adults who can’t understand history because they don’t have the basic framework from which to place any events. This institutional retardation of adults has been going on in the US since the 1890s. Americans were far-better educated about basic geography prior to the 1890s.

None of this is Fox News or presstitute media speak, because they don’t know the geography or history themselves, are only there for the sponsors who own them. This is just harsh reality slapping you in the face.

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

what I find hilarious is the "Russia needs more territory" fox neocon bullshit. Russia has so much land that most of it is vacant wilderness. they are not doing this as a land grab.

I don't know much about the situation tbh but what about a "resource" grab and not necesarily a "land" grab

Doesn't Ukraine supply 70% of the world's neon gas which is required to manufacture semiconductor chips, which there is a massive shortage on right now

Also, couldn't Ukraine and Russia undercut each other on pricing to supply Europe with nat gas

Aren't the both big wheat and barley exporters also so they could compete and undercut each other on price

Also, the "buffer zone" idea seems compelling too if the US and NATO were moving equipment / personnel into Ukraine more than the Russians felt comfortable with

That's just my very simplistic take on what potential motivations could have been

 

[LRRPF52]

Now you have hundreds of millions of people trying to understand what’s happening in Ukraine, and only a tiny fraction of a % of them have seen a few of these maps.

 

[LeftyJason]

You just don’t have a basic level understanding of geography is all. A vast interior wilderness filled with every mineral and tree does you no good if you can’t get it to market. What is the primary method of trade globally to transport goods? Shipping, at well over 90%.

Look at this pathetic map of Russia’s few sea ports, even counting Kaliningrad (not Russia)

What do you need to ship goods? Sea ports in the temperate zone with access to primary trade routes. Ukraine has been the primary coastal access for Russia and the Soviet Union for hundreds of years. Most of the Soviet Navy was built there, in 13 naval yards. That’s where the carriers, destroyers, frigates, and other large displacement vessels were built.

Ukrainian Sea Ports Map

Ukraine has the same number of sea ports as the entirety of Russia if we count Kaliningrad. Alaska alone has more than either Ukraine or Russia, as does just the US West Coast alone. US Gulf Coats, East Coast, and St Lawrence also have substantially more sea ports than Russia and Ukraine combined.

A huge failure of Russians is understanding their geography. All they are told is how balshoi Russia is, Russia biggest, Russia best, when they are not shown how land-locked Russia is and how handicapped Russia is when it comes to trade. It’s not anyone’s fault, just the way the land is structured. Most of the few Russian sea ports there are have freezing temps most of the year. When you try to run dock work in freezing conditions, it sucks for both men and machine, isn’t very efficient or east at all.

Americans are equally retarded about geography, even more so, because we are so isolated from the world by 2 huge oceans. A common joke is: “Why does America go to war? So we can learn geography.” Just as an example relevant to this discussion, look at US coastal sea ports compared to Russia. And you wonder why the US has the greatest economy in the world....


US Sea Ports

US Connected River Network, Paralleled with Rail Lines

The only reason other nations in Eurasia know geography better is because they are surrounded by other countries. Since we have 12-13 years of public school, kids are taught basically nothing about the world, and grow up to be retarded adults who can’t understand history because they don’t have the basic framework from which to place any events. This institutional retardation of adults has been going on in the US since the 1890s. Americans were far-better educated about basic geography prior to the 1890s.

None of this is Fox News or presstitute media speak, because they don’t know the geography or history themselves, are only there for the sponsors who own them. This is just harsh reality slapping you in the face.

This is a better map of waterways for the purposes of the argument you are trying to make. Inland waterway. The navigable portions.

 

[theLBC]

Now you have hundreds of millions of people trying to understand what’s happening in Ukraine, and only a tiny fraction of a % of them have seen a few of these maps.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Darayavaus]

I don't know much about the situation tbh but what about a "resource" grab and not necesarily a "land" grab

Doesn't Ukraine supply 70% of the world's neon gas which is required to manufacture semiconductor chips, which there is a massive shortage on right now

Also, couldn't Ukraine and Russia undercut each other on pricing to supply Europe with nat gas

Aren't the both big wheat and barley exporters also so they could compete and undercut each other on price

Also, the "buffer zone" idea seems compelling too if the US and NATO were moving equipment / personnel into Ukraine more than the Russians felt comfortable with

That's just my very simplistic take on what potential motivations could have been

the Buffer zone concept is correct. the taking of natural resources by installing a puppet regime is exactly what Soros and Obama did in 2014.

 

[LRRPF52]

And another funny thing is the accusation that "Russia didn't start talking about oppression of ethnic Russians until after 2014." no shit. that's because it became an issue after the radical, soros-installed Lvov-based juanta took over and started the problem.

Sound familiar? It's the same thing the Soros-funded color revolutions did throughout the Muslim world, and just like they tried to do by funding terrorists in Syria, (where the people WE funded started killing Christians and Kurds, as well as pro-Syrian supporters). And just like they try to do in the USA with their race riots, CRT hatred, and every other form of divide-and-conquer race baiting.

Color revolutions started in Ukraine way before that, when Putin was saying he had no problem with Ukraine even joining EU or NATO.

The Orange Revolution was in 2004 in protest of...yet again, Putin’s puppet Yanukovych over Viktor Yushchenko. Multiple international observers witnessed massive fraud rigging the election in favor of Putin’s puppet, Yanukovych, so the election was nullified and done again with tighter controls to prevent as much meddling as possible.

The people’s voice finally overcame the corruption in election meddling, even though it didn’t fully represent the true dividing lines between pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russians, which is more like 79% pro-Ukrainian.

Soros profits off of volatility in the markets to gain more power for his corporate holdings. That’s his MO. That doesn’t mean that Ukrainians are pro-Soros because they want independence from Russia’s puppet rule.

Putin was finally able to get Yanukovych into the Ukrainian Presidency in 2010, until he was finally ousted by the Euromaidan protests from Nov 2013-Feb 2014.

 

[LRRPF52]

This is a better map of waterways for the purposes of the argument you are trying to make. Inland waterway. The navigable portions.
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If you were only talking about the inland ports, yes. I was displaying both inland and coastal. Notice that one of the biggest ports in the world is missing off that map, namely Los Angeles. That map would be good for showing the relationship between some of the major rivers and inland ports, but not the railways.

Nobody has anywhere near the transportation and shipping infrastructure of the United States.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Darayavaus]

the disinformation sounds more European than American, since he omits some facts that would matter more to Americans. Like when he says that the people's voice finally overcomes corruption.

We know that story so well here after our last election, when organized protests and staged violence was carried out to "overthrow" the Trump presidency, after which an overwhelming majority of Americans still voted for Trump and the entire deep state apparatus had it's hands full stopping the counting and stuffing the ballots and changing the numbers in the machines until the popular candidate "lost" and the designated candidate "won". Then they could go back and "authenticate" the voting results by claiming the organized revolts as "proof" that the will of the people was to vote out Trump.

Don't tell us about color revolutions, because America experienced one first hand. Just like Ukraine did in 2014 with their own foreign-funded and organized color revolution.

either way, I am honored that I have become a target. It shows that I am upsetting the right people. Although if I was going to hire disinformation specialists, I would not use people with Asperger's like LRRPF52

 

[LeftyJason]

If you were only talking about the inland ports, yes. I was displaying both inland and coastal. Notice that one of the biggest ports in the world is missing off that map, namely Los Angeles. That map would be good for showing the relationship between some of the major rivers and inland ports, but not the railways.

Nobody has anywhere near the transportation and shipping infrastructure of the United States.

It was in response to the second picture. The one with the rivers. Pretty sure that the Rio grande isn't navigable.

 

[Sako man]

https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/g/x/m/t/gxmtd.caa.mp4?u=0&b=0

Great find! This goes against every narrative being spewn out by MSM.

 

[RGStory]

Ukraine: "without Western help we will lose".

conclusion: they are not winning.

Russia: "We need more Syrian Fighters"

Conclusion: "Russians aren't winning either." "Things aren't going to plan."

 

[RGStory]

totally incorrect. things are starting to break open there. 12,000 AFU troops in Mariupol are about to be lost. their entire defensive network has broken down, and since the town is pro-Russian, the civilians are now pointing out AFU positions in their neighborhoods so Russian troops can eliminate them. The AFU was holding these people hostage, and now they are getting theirs. Some mass graves have also been found. Azov is down to the 4th or 5th interim commander, who is a 20-something year old kid. The rest are dead.

There is another cauldron south of Kharkiv, and the bulk of AFU troops which were staging near Donetsk are being pushed back and surrounded as well.

In my opinion, the troops just sitting near Kiev are a "holding force" to prevent Kiev from sending forces to the South east, which is where the main focus of all this has always been.

I'm just going to quote this here to preserve it for future analysis and comparison.

Care to put a timeline to these events?

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[Darayavaus]

https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/g/x/m/t/gxmtd.caa.mp4?u=0&b=0

exactly. And this is why I generally don't argue with people who want to button hole me into endless disputes that will suck up every free minute of my time while they try to go round and around, trying to disagree with me that the sky is blue or grass is green.

the version of events that Fox and the rest of the MSM portrays is propaganda. we know that. And people in Donbas have a right to leave Ukraine. Americans can't dispute that and maintain any agreement with our founding documents. Russia has a moral right to protect Russians who are getting persecuted and killed next door. Some might dispute that, but I think their position is morally indefensible.

But ultimately in the end, after freeing the parts of Ukraine that do want to leave, Russia must give Kiev and western Ukraine back and let them do what they want politically by the will of their own people, and the world must recognize the new borders based, again, on the will of the people - that is the only legitimacy that there is, when it comes to government.

 

[myronman3]

Elon Musk has accomplished more transportation, energy, military, industrial, and scientific advancement in 2 decades than Putin has in his entire life. I’m not an Elon fanboy, just calling it as it is. Musk has made Russia look impotent when it comes to space. Going into space is a big deal in the Russian psyche, and they don’t particularly like the fact that some inventor/entrepreneur in the US could just cook-up his own space program in the private sector. Young Russians watching that kind of thing unfold get far more inspired by that than a former KGB oligarch ring-maker running a kleptocracy, with zero innovation to speak of in anything he has ever done in his life.

The rigged judo demos where judo students were told to let Putin throw them around does not even measure on the scale of reality. If you’re in the West in you buy into that level of child-brain Russian propaganda, you’re failing at life and should confiscate your internet privileges from yourself.

you are not an elon fanboy, yet you think he would have a legit chance against a proven killer like Putin? Riiiight.

you legit think elon getting in a ring with Vladmir would turn out, in any way, good for elon? if you do, then you are too fucking ridiculous for me to waste my time conversing with.

 

[Darayavaus]

you are not an elon fanboy, yet you think he would have a legit chance against a proven killer like Putin? Riiiight.

you legit think elon getting in a ring with Vladmir would turn out, in any way, good for elon? if you do, then you are too fucking ridiculous for me to waste my time conversing with.

An ex-Soviet defector named Viktor Suvorov wrote a few books about his time in the GRU, and the training they went through both physically and mentally. Putin in the KGB would have gone through similar training. In their prime, these guys would have hung in with the best. Even now, I'd put money on Putin over Elon. That's a no-brainer.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

You just don’t have a basic level understanding of geography is all. A vast interior wilderness filled with every mineral and tree does you no good if you can’t get it to market. What is the primary method of trade globally to transport goods? Shipping, at well over 90%.

Look at this pathetic map of Russia’s few sea ports, even counting Kaliningrad (not Russia)

What do you need to ship goods? Sea ports in the temperate zone with access to primary trade routes. Ukraine has been the primary coastal access for Russia and the Soviet Union for hundreds of years. Most of the Soviet Navy was built there, in 13 naval yards. That’s where the carriers, destroyers, frigates, and other large displacement vessels were built.

Ukrainian Sea Ports Map

Ukraine has the same number of sea ports as the entirety of Russia if we count Kaliningrad. Alaska alone has more than either Ukraine or Russia, as does just the US West Coast alone. US Gulf Coats, East Coast, and St Lawrence also have substantially more sea ports than Russia and Ukraine combined.

A huge failure of Russians is understanding their geography. All they are told is how balshoi Russia is, Russia biggest, Russia best, when they are not shown how land-locked Russia is and how handicapped Russia is when it comes to trade. It’s not anyone’s fault, just the way the land is structured. Most of the few Russian sea ports there are have freezing temps most of the year. When you try to run dock work in freezing conditions, it sucks for both men and machine, isn’t very efficient or east at all.

Americans are equally retarded about geography, even more so, because we are so isolated from the world by 2 huge oceans. A common joke is: “Why does America go to war? So we can learn geography.” Just as an example relevant to this discussion, look at US coastal sea ports compared to Russia. And you wonder why the US has the greatest economy in the world....


US Sea Ports

US Connected River Network, Paralleled with Rail Lines

The only reason other nations in Eurasia know geography better is because they are surrounded by other countries. Since we have 12-13 years of public school, kids are taught basically nothing about the world, and grow up to be retarded adults who can’t understand history because they don’t have the basic framework from which to place any events. This institutional retardation of adults has been going on in the US since the 1890s. Americans were far-better educated about basic geography prior to the 1890s.

None of this is Fox News or presstitute media speak, because they don’t know the geography or history themselves, are only there for the sponsors who own them. This is just harsh reality slapping you in the face.

100% agree on the warm water port motive.

Eastern Ukraine was also heavily industrialized by the Soviet. Soviet aircraft carriers were being built before the collapse. Heavy into aerospace and missiles and such. Russia did not want to loose access to this industry as NATO/EU was moving into government.

They were moving on Mariupol in 2014 and likely would have taken it but shot down MH-17. Which brought international attention to the conflict which was a fairly off the radar. Their advance stall out after that blunder.