Is something going on in Ukraine?

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all true,

russian has been self sufficient for 70 years and they were never number 1 or number 5. there is a economic cap to russia, so while they may weather the storm their ceiling is limited.

we started using russian rockets because we changed priority and didnt fund new equipment...stupidly
one reason we started using russian rockets years ago was to help fund their space budget, the russian govt couldnt fund it.

im not saying we are set up correctly, but if needed we are capable of realignment and are more agile than any other country.
with in 2 years trump had us energy exporter, after being a importer since before WW2. no other country can move that fast on such a large scale commodity.

im not debating united states has issues, im saying every bullet our enemy wastes they have to pay for and we dont have to die for

if we have to get involved in ukraine does anyone doubt that it would be easier now than a year ago because of vehicles destroyed and countermeasures to captured top of the line equipment? of course it will be
id rather fight 2,000 tanks than 2500 tanks and so would everyone else.

ill take a depleted enemy and our munitions manufacturing pipline running fast then a full strength enemy and starting from scratch

thats why we won WW2, were were manufacturing weapons for a few years before we really got involved. if we had pearl harbor in 1938 wed be speaking Japanese and the allies would be speaking german because we would not have weapons to give/sell
While you do have some good points, WW2 isnt a good comparison. Our forces weren't kicked out of service because of a covid vaccine and they weren't being given classes and promotional reviews that hinged on a woke agenda that was cutting into troop morale and readiness.
 
While you do have some good points, WW2 isnt a good comparison. Our forces weren't kicked out of service because of a covid vaccine and they weren't being given classes and promotional reviews that hinged on a woke agenda that was cutting into troop morale and readiness.
100% i figure if it really got tough got tough all this hippy faggot crap would get pushed out of the way
 
Let Russia have the Russian population in southern Ukraine and disarm Ukraine. Problem ends over night.
This whole "We have to stop Putin at all costs because he's going to try to take over all of Europe" is a stupid cover for more corruption and money laundering in Ukraine.
Nothing more.

Putin has zero change of waging direct war against the US and NATO and he knows it.
"But.. .he's depleting his weapons!"... Hogwash.
 
just keep letting ukraine use up russian ord, and vehicles

everything they fire at ukraine or gets destroyed they have to spend money on replacing making them even weaker

no US soldiers (except for CIA and such that are there), no US blood and bankrupt russia so they vanish for another 20 years

the longer the war goes on the more the EU sweats and has to come back to reality, which is also a good thing for the US

id love to do the same with china if possible

out economy can handle it, china and russia cant
Russia was not a threat until made a threat......

You have an overly optimistic understanding of our economy.
 
if we had pearl harbor in 1938 wed be speaking Japanese and the allies would be speaking german because we would not have weapons to give/sell
The Pacific Fleet wasn’t moved to Pearl Harbor in till 1940.

That moveis one of the reasons Japan attacked. They saw that as a direct threat After US embargoed fuel supplies to Japan. That would’ve been the force enforcing the embargo.

It never would’ve happened and 38 because the conditions weren’t there, The Democrats had not had enough time to fuck the world up yet

This idea that you promote of ruling the world by causing strife in chaos in other peoples backyards is pure fucking evil
 
The Pacific Fleet wasn’t moved to Pearl Harbor in till 1940.

That moveis one of the reasons Japan attacked. They saw that as a direct threat After US embargoed fuel supplies to Japan. That would’ve been the force enforcing the embargo.

It never would’ve happened and 38 because the conditions weren’t there, The Democrats had not had enough time to fuck the world up yet
You missed the idea of manufacturing ramp up and production rate.

Secondary the pacific fleet was a floating paper tiger. Just as we found out the day of the big guns was over. Japan did t sink and carriers in pearl.
 
Russia was not a threat until made a threat......

You have an overly optimistic understanding of our economy.
No optimism on our economy, lack of faith in all the others which have never succeeded.

You don’t have to be the best , just better than the worst.

The rest were never the best so I’ll take my chances with ours.
 
You missed the idea of manufacturing ramp up and production rate.

Secondary the pacific fleet was a floating paper tiger. Just as we found out the day of the big guns was over. Japan did t sink and carriers in pearl.
No I didn’t . You missed the point in 1938 the conditions weren’t there for a battle to start.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1938 they would’ve been bombing air
 
Still missing it
What that all the ships at Pearl Harbor were built before 1938. ( carriers and battleships)

You should just accept that your concept of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor is devoid of any factual history.

But its obvious to me you are incapable of that. Its okay, I am here to help

Sincerely, Juan.

Edit- The United States did not start heavily ramping up war production until after Japan attacked
 
Still missing it
The Hiryu was not commissioned until 1939.

Most of Japan’s escort carriers weren’t commissioned until the 1940s...

Below are the years construction started
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The zero was not produced until 1940


I could go on but I’m definitely not the one missing it
 
Knudsen famously told FDR in early 1940 that “we must out produce hitler, to win”.

That was during FDR put him in charge of US military production which Knudsen took a salary of 1$.

That was in 1940
1940 was also the year that ford started building the plant for the b-24.

Which again reaffirms my point that it’s easier to win a war when you are already ramping up production because of a proxy war.

If it took 2 years to get going full bite war time economy, every day that a proxy war is occurring is 1 less day for ramp up and 1 less day of supplies the enemy has.

It’s not about who attacked who and why. It’s about the time table.
 
Can someone make a poll (different thread, obviously) on how soon WW3 kicks off? (Outside of Ukraine) involvement of Europe or blockade of Taiwan would be two qualifiers, as would any nuke anywhere.
 
No optimism on our economy, lack of faith in all the others which have never succeeded.

You don’t have to be the best , just better than the worst.

The rest were never the best so I’ll take my chances with ours.

You know who is making out.....Fauci, Pfizer, the elites or in short the corrupt.

Economies of countries are being destroyed while elite individuals and businesses are being showered with riches taken from the masses.

The intent is a post national economy world to be replaced by a small oligarchy of elites and just enough surviving service animals to serve them.

Nations will die and useless eaters will die.

A lowest common denominator of misery will be established except for those that have been decided are the elite who will live with every imaginable luxury at the fingertips.
 
You know who is making out.....Fauci, Pfizer, the elites or in short the corrupt.

Economies of countries are being destroyed while elite individuals and businesses are being showered with riches taken from the masses.

The intent is a post national economy world to be replaced by a small oligarchy of elites and just enough surviving service animals to serve them.

Nations will die and useless eaters will die.

A lowest common denominator of misery will be established except for those that have been decided are the elite who will live with every imaginable luxury at the fingertips.
It has always been like that from the dawn of time. Only the last 80 years has the common man had a say/counted.

First very few leaders were chosen by a god
Their empires lost to new empires with different gods

Then from god given right to birth right
Caste systems across the world
Their empires disintegrated or were absorbed

Rich industrialists/Jp Morgan and alike.
Anti trust laws and new market segments emerging with new “rich” people. They became less important but still has a day at the table.

Then ww1 and it all changed.

It’s just making the circle again.

Common linear growth of economy
Agricultural based
To
Industrial based
To
Service based
To
Technology based
 
Perhaps not "active duty" but ex-military there seems to be well versed in wars.

Picking the fly shit outta the pepper​

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“This repositioning does not signify a change in our determination to support Ukraine’s Armed Forces, but will provide flexibility in assuring allies and deterring aggression,” he added.
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MADRID — President Biden announced that the U.S. would enhance its military presence in Europe, including more naval destroyers stationed in Spain, two F-35 fighter jet squadrons positioned in the United Kingdom and a permanent headquarters in Poland for the U.S. 5th Army Corps.
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There are more than 80,000 American service members in Europe.



Captured Uke troops have stated US and EK/ polish active duty officers are there in leadership positions.
 
This whole "We have to stop Putin at all costs because he's going to try to take over all of Europe" is a stupid cover for more corruption and money laundering in Ukraine.
Meanwhile we have 80,000 troops there.
Can you imagine what the government of the USA would be doing if there were 80,000 Chinese troops in central America? Or 80,000 Russian troops?
But it's okay because we are the good guys? Right?
 
Meanwhile we have 80,000 troops there.
Can you imagine what the government of the USA would be doing if there were 80,000 Chinese troops in central America? Or 80,000 Russian troops?
But it's okay because we are the good guys? Right?
We only have about 100,000 troops in Europe in total (after the 20k Biden sent earlier in the year)

Not sure where the 80k number in Ukraine came from, have a link?
 


Why has #US 101st Airborne “elite air assault” been deployed to #Europe for first time in ~80 yrs? Why are they practicing war 3 miles from #Ukraine border? Why are they “fully prepared to cross the #border to #Ukraine”? Has #Biden decided to go to #war?

It's because the midterm elections are a little over two weeks away. After the embarrassing disaster in Afghanistan, President Poopy Pants has to show everyone he's going to fight to the last drop of American blood.
 
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At one point you have to ask what makes this any different from North Korean propaganda outlets, making shit up is like media sport now.

Speed Cameras Stolen From Sweden May Be Ending Up in Russian Drones: Report​


However, Eva Lundberg, who coordinates the traffic camera system at the Swedish Transport Administration, told the Times that the stolen cameras are actually customized Nikon DSLRs. This backs up other reports from local news outlets but complicates the theory that the cameras are being repurposed in Russian UAVs.
Lundberg says that the Nikon cameras are focused at a specific distance and "not possible to adjust," according to the traffic camera supplier. The videos showing recovered Orlan-10 UAVs have all featured Canon DSLRs thus far






Go pros everywhere , probably only first person ejection caught on camera
 
if Ukraine was going to do it,, I think it would be a little farther east.. say Moscow
Nah, Ukraine will do it on their own turf to implicate Russia, and rally the "rules based order" behind their "quest for democracy". Just like that children's hospital that got "bombed" by Russia. The children's hospital that looked like it hadn't been used in 15 or 20 years. The 50 or so Billion we've sent has already disappeared, so time to up the game a bit.
 
I imagine the few diesel locomotives might also get the Geranium treatment. Ukrainian Rail gauge is still the same as old Soviet/Russian so not compatible with European trains , but i imagine with flood of $$ that can be upgraded ... Estonia might want to ofload its wide gauge trains.
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Congress is about to allocate a further 120 billion $ just in case lost elections disturb bipartisan willingness to spend an unlimited amount of $$ on War in Ukraine.

Meanwhile netflix needs to cast the black lead actor for the Ukraine movies
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How stupid...
 
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