Is Something Happening with Nord Stream 1 and 2 under the Baltic Sea?
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I thought it was Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, or did I miss something?
In reality, it was Hitler and the Nazies being a beast in the early 30s that turned FDR and most of the American Elite.
Fox Connor laid out the strategy to FDR, selected, trained and put the right men in place in the late 1930s then worked behind the scenes to get it all to come together.
We were very lucky that Japan and Germany were never true allies. A coordinated strategy to sever the Brits from the Raj and Middle East would have worked and ended the war in Asia. Look up Japans Indian Ocean Raid. It filled the pants of the British Navy.
Construction of the pipeline
Nord Stream Pipeline - Pipe Laying of the 1,224 kilometre long natural gas pipeline
Construction of the 1,224 kilometre long Nord Stream Pipeline started in April 2010www.wermac.org
Laying pipe (so to speak)
Whoever blew that pipe knew exactly where 5o place the shaped charges. Only a few have that expertise. Either industry professionals, elite military or a consortium of both.
Nothing elite about it. The Army has hundreds of divers and thousands of qualified demo guys who could do it with their eyes closed. Not to mention the USN and the USMC. Add in some ROV operators and and well equipped fishing boat and its done.
if that is what happened.
Foreign aid always works by taking average joe's money and giving it to foreign 1% which in turn pay the domestic elites for the service , that is why 10% for the big guy is so common and Ukraine is at present the world's no1 money laundromat.
Without question Pearl cemented the US official entry into WW2, but we had been building both our own arsenal and supplying Allies since the late 30's. Indeed we had been planning for a seemingly inevitable conflict with Japan throughout the interwar years.
See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Orange
Japan went into Manchuria and later Indochina to control imports into China, we cut off their oil and from there it was inevitable. FDR's "secret map", courtesy of British intelligence, pushed us more towards active war with Germany. Probably moot as conflict there was also inevitable, but worth looking at events leading up to conflicts. If we wind up in kinetic global WW3, there will doubtless be events that may or may not have been fabricated, to induce players to adapt certain postures. Nordstream would certainly be one of the keys to war.
Speaking of which, the rhetoric fueling nuclear fisticuffs continues to rise.
Morning take (USMC ret lt col) Max is on points, as usual:
I'll just leave this here. I haven't seen it anywhere else on the Hide.
www.highnorthnews.com
Fiber-optic Submarine Cable near Faroe and Shetland Islands Damaged; Mediterranean Cables also Cut
Damage to subsea communication cables near the Faroe and Shetlands Islands left much of the islands without internet access. Subsea fiber-optics cables in the south of France were also cut in what authorities call acts of sabotage.
I saw that too. There was chatter that it could bring down financial markets if the right ones are cut.I'll just leave this here. I haven't seen it anywhere else on the Hide.
Fiber-optic Submarine Cable near Faroe and Shetland Islands Damaged; Mediterranean Cables also Cut
Damage to subsea communication cables near the Faroe and Shetlands Islands left much of the islands without internet access. Subsea fiber-optics cables in the south of France were also cut in what authorities call acts of sabotage.
I don’t know but I think we would all benefit from viewing this whole thing as a stage of the war. Sabotage and subterfuge are part of the game. Maybe it was a message that others could be cut too.
I'm so glad that Hillary introduced this concept to the national conversation so that we have a convenient way to dismiss someone who thinks differently. And by "thinking differently", we mean "saying things that were mainstream Republican campaign planks as recently as 2012."
the more valid question is :
"how many foreign agents/influencers do you think are running our government?"
Because ONLY a foreign agent would push through over 100 billion in tax money laundering for a corrupt foreign government, and only America-hating foreign influencers would go online and defend these traitors, insisting and arguing that America needs to do it......and go to nuclear war over it, if need be. I wonder how many of these posters literally work for an agency that pushes disinformation, and how many are just fucking stupid 'useful idiots'.
but hey, despite the obvious treason in their posts we still let the foreign influencers here spin their neocon/Great Reset agenda.
but hey, despite the obvious treason in their posts we still let the foreign influencers here spin their neocon/Great Reset agenda.
Yep. Really, the damage to this infrastructure was neither catastrophic nor timed at the worst possible moment. It's certainly more than the proverbial shot across the bar, but not a full-on kneecapping.
On that topic, what's the nature of the Russian attacks on Ukraine's electrical infrastructure? Seems to me that it could be viewed as being in the same category.
How many people voted for GW Bush in 2004 and McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012? That gives you the idea of how many are in the "useful idiot" category.
I know a selected few conservatives have been able to pull off this shift from neocon to anti-interventionalism and even fewer yet have been here all along, but even your garden-variety pro-Trumper is hardwired to bomb the crap out of any country that threatens the Western establishment and so there's bound to be a substantial amount of cognitive dissonance moving on from the Cold War and GWOT eras.
But I'm not buying that excuse here - way too many conservatives spouted crap like "we have to fight them over there so we don't fight them here" on their way to enthusiastically cast votes for warmongers.
The Dems are no better in the hypocrisy category, of course, but that doesn't mean we should strive to match them.
Once again, I find it hilarious that we're accusing posters of being foreign agents for posting things that were stated during national convention speeches and primary debates just 10 years ago.
I’ve heard it said that Libertarian candidates take away votes from republicans that would have otherwise been elected into office, keeping a good candidate out. I see it the complete opposite.
I was sucked into the voting R just because and no matter what. I was a fool and didn’t know better.
Incident on the Nord Stream Pipeline (updated 02/11/2022)
Nov. 2, 2022 | Zug, Switzerland |As of 2 November 2022, Nord Stream AG has completed initial data gathering at the location of the pipeline damage on Line 1 in the Swedish exclusive economic zone.
According to preliminary results of the damage site inspection, technogenic craters with a depth of 3 to 5 meters were found on the seabed at a distance of about 248 m from each other. The section of the pipe between the craters is destroyed, the radius of pipe fragments dispersion is at least 250 m. Experts continue to analyse the survey data.
Update 27/10/2022
A specially equipped vessel chartered by Nord Stream AG arrived at the alleged location of the pipeline damage in the exclusive economic zone of Sweden. After carrying out the calibration works, the specialists will be ready within 24 hours to start the survey of the damaged area that would take 3-5 days according to current estimates.
As part of the survey of the gas pipeline section in the Danish exclusive economic zone, Nord Stream AG still awaits the decision of the authorities on granting necessary permits for the damage assessment.
''Gazprom has been granted permission to survey the damaged section of Nord Stream in Danish waters. The expedition, consisting of representatives of the holding and specialists from the gas pipeline operator Nord Stream AG, has already begun work on the site.
According to reports received from the company, vessel chartered by Nord Stream moved into the area and began to survey the site of the pipeline damage. Its duration will depend on access restrictions to the damage zone due to weather conditions.
In addition to weather conditions, which are getting worse by the hour, as the season of storms begins in the Baltic Sea, legal conflicts prevent the full-fledged work of experts. The thing is that the radius of the restricted zone two months after the attack was reduced to 500 meters instead of the previous five nautical miles.
However, legal obstacles can not be expected: if the EU had not been interested in Gazprom's work on the pipeline, its representatives would not have been allowed to access the damaged pipeline. In fact, the EU leadership is pushing the Russian company as transparently as possible to investigate, make a final conclusion about the destruction, make a decision on restoration (at its own expense, of course) and, of course, to resume full-fledged gas supplies .
www.offshore-technology.com
According to reports received from the company, vessel chartered by Nord Stream moved into the area and began to survey the site of the pipeline damage. Its duration will depend on access restrictions to the damage zone due to weather conditions.
In addition to weather conditions, which are getting worse by the hour, as the season of storms begins in the Baltic Sea, legal conflicts prevent the full-fledged work of experts. The thing is that the radius of the restricted zone two months after the attack was reduced to 500 meters instead of the previous five nautical miles.
However, legal obstacles can not be expected: if the EU had not been interested in Gazprom's work on the pipeline, its representatives would not have been allowed to access the damaged pipeline. In fact, the EU leadership is pushing the Russian company as transparently as possible to investigate, make a final conclusion about the destruction, make a decision on restoration (at its own expense, of course) and, of course, to resume full-fledged gas supplies .
Nord Stream gets approval for pipeline damage survey offshore Denmark
Nord Stream, the operator of the damaged Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline, has received permission to undertake survey work in Danish waters.
www.offshore-technology.com
well, since they had the text of the PM saying, 'It's done'; it kinda gives it away.
Interesting:
seymourhersh.substack.com
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
seymourhersh.substack.com
isn't this the guy that denies Bin Laden holds any responsibility for the 9/11 attacks? Then denied his assassination?Interesting:
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
Is now claiming he has inside information on a special forces operation??
yeah.. ok.
The guy is an absolute hack. How his stuff gets published is beyond me. His theory is that Biden who is responsible for that pipeline being open, less than a year later blows it up? Not really how the US operates. The only party benefiting from this is Russia aa it outs tremendous stress on an EU hamstrung by an eco-populism that ironically made us dependant on natural gas while closing down nearly emissions free nuclear
Interesting:
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
If true, that's an act of war.
Well, this story is pure fiction. It is highly unlikely this was done by any western country and the obvious suspect here is Russia.
What possible reason would Russia have to blow up their largest bargaining chip with EU, considering they could just shut the supply off at their end?
With the pipeline gone, they can't wave the "if you stop helping Ukraine you can have cheap gas again" card
Russia is always the obvious suspect. For some people.
Exactly. I have thought this was the US government since the day it happened. Russia benefits zero from blowing it up.
I am actually quite conservative and used to live right in the coast near the blast. I am glad the pipeline is shut down. Much like Trump I was very much against it and was pissed when Biden gave the OK to open it. Why would bobblehead Biden blow it up when he was the very idiot who gave it the thumbs up less than a year earlier? If anyone other than Russia blew it up I would look to the Poles as they were pretty pissed about it for good reasons.
The preponderance of evidence that we can all easily find even in the politician’s comments after the fact of indicates that your position might be incorrect. The obfuscation of the facts doesn’t change what they have admitted themselves. Before and after the event.
The Brits we were involved. The texts were made very public.
I don’t know how in the world you can claim any “evidence” in any direction. We can only speculate and very few people know for a fact what happened. Spreading insane conspiracy theories is not particularly helpful.
What have you been doing for the last several posts? I have merely stated my opinion and facts. You are throwing out the conspiracies- that fit your narrative.
Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck.... It was a elephant?
That pipeline cost russia north of 10 billion to build. The volume of gas in the line lost was extremely valuable. That would literally be like setting a massive stack of money on fire.
Russia done it… That theory is less believable than what this clown wrote.
Wait till Russia nukes Moscow; you know, and blames it on the west.
Who would expect Theresa May was a Hide member.
Theresa what is your favorite .308 load….my bad 7.62 NATO.
Theresa what is your favorite .308 load….my bad 7.62 NATO.
If indeed he claims that someone other than UBL was responsible for 9/11, then he's legally correct because it was probably the CIA and Mossad.
And that aside, even if he's been full of shit in the past, his explanation for this particular incident comes closest to Occam's Razor than any other offered to date.
The odds of the West sabotaging it are practically 100%. The Russians sabotaging it is retarded since they could just shut it off and then turn it back on etc.
i think they don't want to get norway in trouble for helping?
in case you missed it, they telegraphed it before the war started, with xiden guaranteeing it if russia invaded,
deets
seymourhersh.substack.com
in case you missed it, they telegraphed it before the war started, with xiden guaranteeing it if russia invaded,
deets
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
seymourhersh.substack.com
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