I heard some wear that Obama fired 200 generals ,and replaced them with left leaning officers. Also that Trump hasn't gotten around to firing them . So will the Pentagon back Trump ? Especially if he was to put the insurrection act into play ?
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TLDW - hard to say. What is clear is that several former high ranking officers are out there talking trash and encouraging dissension.
I don't see how one can lean to what the current left is and still swear an oath to defend the US Constitution hell if you align yourself with the current left you don't even believe in it let alone want to defend it.
You can bet your paycheck that any high ranking person hand picked by Obama doesn't believe in the 2A for civilians.
The military better stay the fuck out of the way if they understand what's good for them.
And generations of people weilding pajamas and AKs
Spenser Rapone is the ideal US military officer of the Democrats.
These guys are drinking some serious cool aid , i am surprised they did not write that Trump's private army will be made up of Russian soldiers on leave in the US.
“. . . All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic”: An Open Letter to Gen. Milley
If the commander in chief attempts to ignore the election’s results, you will face a choice.
''Then the clock will strike 12:01 PM, January 20, 2021, and Donald Trump will be sitting in the Oval Office. The street protests will inevitably swell outside the White House, and the ranks of Trump’s private army will grow inside its grounds. The speaker of the House will declare the Trump presidency at an end, and direct the Secret Service and Federal Marshals to remove Trump from the premises. These agents will realize that they are outmanned and outgunned by Trump’s private army, and the moment of decision will arrive.
At this moment of Constitutional crisis, only two options remain. Under the first, U.S. military forces escort the former president from the White House grounds. Trump’s little green men, so intimidating to lightly armed federal law enforcement agents, step aside and fade away, realizing they would not constitute a good morning’s work for a brigade of the 82nd Airborne. Under the second, the U.S. military remains inert while the Constitution dies. The succession of government is determined by extralegal violence between Trump’s private army and street protesters; Black Lives Matter Plaza becomes Tahrir Square.
As the senior military officer of the United States, the choice between these two options lies with you. In the Constitutional crisis described above, your duty is to give unambiguous orders directing U.S. military forces to support the Constitutional transfer of power. Should you remain silent, you will be complicit in a coup d’état.''
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/20...n-and-domestic-open-letter-gen-milley/167625/
“. . . All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic”: An Open Letter to Gen. Milley
If the commander in chief attempts to ignore the election’s results, you will face a choice.
''Then the clock will strike 12:01 PM, January 20, 2021, and Donald Trump will be sitting in the Oval Office. The street protests will inevitably swell outside the White House, and the ranks of Trump’s private army will grow inside its grounds. The speaker of the House will declare the Trump presidency at an end, and direct the Secret Service and Federal Marshals to remove Trump from the premises. These agents will realize that they are outmanned and outgunned by Trump’s private army, and the moment of decision will arrive.
At this moment of Constitutional crisis, only two options remain. Under the first, U.S. military forces escort the former president from the White House grounds. Trump’s little green men, so intimidating to lightly armed federal law enforcement agents, step aside and fade away, realizing they would not constitute a good morning’s work for a brigade of the 82nd Airborne. Under the second, the U.S. military remains inert while the Constitution dies. The succession of government is determined by extralegal violence between Trump’s private army and street protesters; Black Lives Matter Plaza becomes Tahrir Square.
As the senior military officer of the United States, the choice between these two options lies with you. In the Constitutional crisis described above, your duty is to give unambiguous orders directing U.S. military forces to support the Constitutional transfer of power. Should you remain silent, you will be complicit in a coup d’état.''
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/20...n-and-domestic-open-letter-gen-milley/167625/
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Plenty of veterans in this country who know how to drive armor, helicopters, planes, etc
What the fuck kind of shit are these people smoking.
I know for certain that Several Colonel / Major level staffers and operations officers were ready to file for early retirement in 2016 as everyone said HRC had it in the bag.
Then Trump won. That probably saved the Pentagon. Many stayed on, and of course, these were the ones that make the Military go; and, they have been utilized appropriately. The Political appointee's are riding it out for 2020... then maybe they will file and we can get back to business.
I have heard the new AF Joint Chief is the Real Deal.... the Real Deal.
Then Trump won. That probably saved the Pentagon. Many stayed on, and of course, these were the ones that make the Military go; and, they have been utilized appropriately. The Political appointee's are riding it out for 2020... then maybe they will file and we can get back to business.
I have heard the new AF Joint Chief is the Real Deal.... the Real Deal.
Commandant Neller was open enough with his disrespect that he felt comfortable expressing it in a roomful of current/veteran Marines at a public event.
The problem is the high levels of govt have become their own "Corps" that have developed the idea that "The People" and "Elected Leaders" are inconsequential.
"The People" are just the slaves to provide to the "Deep State Corps" and the "Elected Leaders" can either get on board with their Deep State personal enrichment or they can shut the fuck up for the temporary time they are in office.
Elected people come and go but the Deep State is forever.
The problem is the high levels of govt have become their own "Corps" that have developed the idea that "The People" and "Elected Leaders" are inconsequential.
"The People" are just the slaves to provide to the "Deep State Corps" and the "Elected Leaders" can either get on board with their Deep State personal enrichment or they can shut the fuck up for the temporary time they are in office.
Elected people come and go but the Deep State is forever.
Thats why this election is so crucial.
2016 was supposed to be the nail in the coffin of the USA.
Trump utterly fucked up that plan. I dismissed him as he came down the elevator actually making my first ever political donation to Ted Cruz.
If Cruz had won we would not be on as sound footing as we are now to restore the country it would have only been a minor delay to what the commie deep staters have planned.
The deep state will fight violently to hold on in 2020 knowing that Trump will than forever alter the trajectory.
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Antifa street punks are not the primary target.
The primary targets live in gated communities, expensive condos, and Mcmansions. Mostly around the beltway (deep state) and in random libtard cities (the brains and money behind the insurrects)
The primary targets live in gated communities, expensive condos, and Mcmansions. Mostly around the beltway (deep state) and in random libtard cities (the brains and money behind the insurrects)
Maybe Trumps low ratings with the Military is because of the terrible things he has said about wounded vets, or POWs, or KIAs. Or the way he treated SecDef Mattis. Trump says he respects the military. But his actions say otherwise. That parade he wants is all about Trump. It has nothing to do with the military. And when he announced it, every one I knew both still in or had their DD-214 had a serious WTF moment. But it is all image and Trump wants the photos of him standing over a military as they march by for his prestige/glory/ego.
Also what? If anyone thinks Obama, or any President, actually cares about the Generals, Admirals, commanding officers of the military and who is in what slot, wow. Maybe at the 4 star level where they service chiefs and Joint Staff the President will care since they have to work directly with him. But under that? Serious mental gymnastics there. I used to wonder what people were smoking when a ship's CO was canned and people on a gun boards would cry that Obama was staffing the Navy with his picks. Yeah. Doesn't work like that. Sometimes the Navy Times got the truth out and others it was just 'loss of confidence' and a lot of rumors. But Obama had nothing to do with the fired officers I witnessed. And the replacement is either the XO/Deputy getting an early promotion, or someone from a higher unit going in to clean up a mess.
As for Trump not leaving office if voted out or when his second term expires if re-elected... I remember the kooks on the right saying the same thing about Obama.
Also what? If anyone thinks Obama, or any President, actually cares about the Generals, Admirals, commanding officers of the military and who is in what slot, wow. Maybe at the 4 star level where they service chiefs and Joint Staff the President will care since they have to work directly with him. But under that? Serious mental gymnastics there. I used to wonder what people were smoking when a ship's CO was canned and people on a gun boards would cry that Obama was staffing the Navy with his picks. Yeah. Doesn't work like that. Sometimes the Navy Times got the truth out and others it was just 'loss of confidence' and a lot of rumors. But Obama had nothing to do with the fired officers I witnessed. And the replacement is either the XO/Deputy getting an early promotion, or someone from a higher unit going in to clean up a mess.
As for Trump not leaving office if voted out or when his second term expires if re-elected... I remember the kooks on the right saying the same thing about Obama.
Killing mail in voting is easy. Get Pelosi to say the mail in ballot proceedure is lock solid and tamper proof. Thanks. We will use the same proceedure to verify our identity online, go to Buds Gun Shop, do a 4473 on through their website, and voila, a new gun on my doorstep 2-3 days later!
Pretty sure this all started based on a comment Trump made about flag level officers and the MIC. There's some truth to it as well. A lot of those Generals and Admirals cozy up to the highest paying defense contractor when they get close to retirement. It's no secret that this behavior has influenced procurement decisions, and is why the bigger guys (looking at you Lockheed, Northrop and Boeing), continue this behavior. It can never be proved, and has circumstantial evidence at best, but there are too many coincidences of flags making decisions, and then getting hired a year later...
Also the Military is supposed to be apolitical no matter what. It's been that way since George Washington ran the Continental Army. Anyone here who has worn a uniform will state when elections roll around, AFN and other places go heavy with what you can and can't do in uniform.
Yes, but we still voted how we wanted without advertising it. These generals and such doig these overtly, left-leaning, political acts really pisses me off. Everyone swore an oath to support and defend the constitution as well as follow lawful orders of their superiors. Pretty simple stuff and if there's a disagreement, you figure it out behind closed doors, not in the public.
No one currently in government is behind Trump because he is an outsider and was never suppose to be elected. Trump really can't do much to clean up the government that's how corrupt it is. We have no one to blame but ourselves when we decided to elect Somalia Terrorists and Dimwitted Bartenders to run our government not to mention all the relics that were installed 50 years ago filling their pockets with our money.
I have zero faith that this election will be fair. Th Dems have it out for trump so bad they are willing to do anything to keep him out of office. They lied and made up insane stories for his entire presidency and put it front and center in the news every single hour of the day. You think they aren’t willing to cheat a little bit at the ballot box? Give me a break.
this election is going to be a giant shit show who ever “wins” brace yourself. You ain’t even seen riots yet.
this election is going to be a giant shit show who ever “wins” brace yourself. You ain’t even seen riots yet.
There are plenty of treasonous generals in the military, thanks to Obama. Biden, the fucking idiot that can't keep his mouth shut, all but said the Left is planning a rigged election and military coup as soon as he was nominated, saying he had generals waiting to 'rip the skin off of Trump' if he didn't leave the White House.
That fucker needs to be skinned alive for saying that.
Unfortunately, I believe that everything you've said here is true. And yes, things ARE going to get dismal. Even dismall'er than they already are.
Here's how you find out if mail-in votes will work.
Get yourself $1,000 cash an envelope, regular plain white envelope. Then find somebody here or maybe another friend and send it to them bulk rate mail. Then have them turn around and send it back to you.
If you trust our USPS system then you should have zero problem doing this.
Having lived in the middle of race riots, ones where the NG was actually deployed with ammunition; I know for a fact that they are certainly a possibility, and are likely a probability.
The whites were hardly affected at all because the NG and the male white citizenry stood their ground with whatever small arms were at their disposal; usually shotguns in the civilian hands.
The instigators skipped town when things turned South for them, and were hunted down over the years. Most died in federal prisons.
The decent black folks, about 99% of the people on the contested ground, got to see their entire neighborhoods burned to the ground, where they remained rubble for well over a decade.
I see this coming again, not because of black rights, not because of politics, but because the decent black people will once again refuse to face their own problems head on. Why should they? The Government has always solved their problems for them. Why should they risk their lives and liberty when all those nice people in camo can be ordered to do it for them?
In the end they will be placated for acts that they never sponsored, and never participated in. It all just takes place around them, not among them. They can claim innocence, but are they innocent? I can't answer that, but unless someone does, this cyclical paroxysm will endure as a part of our society's fabric.
I think that this time, the riots we will see, and may be forced to witness personally, will make what went before pale by comparison.
The Socialism part is just a tool. The politics part is just an excuse. The race thing is just a ploy.
The real problem is that some people just want to watch the world burn; and that here in the USA, we let them. And some of us pay them, too.
Greg
The whites were hardly affected at all because the NG and the male white citizenry stood their ground with whatever small arms were at their disposal; usually shotguns in the civilian hands.
The instigators skipped town when things turned South for them, and were hunted down over the years. Most died in federal prisons.
The decent black folks, about 99% of the people on the contested ground, got to see their entire neighborhoods burned to the ground, where they remained rubble for well over a decade.
I see this coming again, not because of black rights, not because of politics, but because the decent black people will once again refuse to face their own problems head on. Why should they? The Government has always solved their problems for them. Why should they risk their lives and liberty when all those nice people in camo can be ordered to do it for them?
In the end they will be placated for acts that they never sponsored, and never participated in. It all just takes place around them, not among them. They can claim innocence, but are they innocent? I can't answer that, but unless someone does, this cyclical paroxysm will endure as a part of our society's fabric.
I think that this time, the riots we will see, and may be forced to witness personally, will make what went before pale by comparison.
The Socialism part is just a tool. The politics part is just an excuse. The race thing is just a ploy.
The real problem is that some people just want to watch the world burn; and that here in the USA, we let them. And some of us pay them, too.
Greg
This hoax the Left is promoting about Trump not stepping down on the pretense that the election was rigged is just that, another hoax just like Russia Collusion. It's laying the groundwork for their communist takeover. They're not shy about covering it up as they know they no longer have to.
Trump will win by a sizable margin until they "find " the mail in ballots. He'll contest it and refuse to leave, as he should. The Left will exercise a junta led by Leftist generals and attempt a coup.
You can expect to be told to turn in your guns and ammunition. If you don't, you'll be labeled as a domestic terrorist and get paid a visit by the police 'just following orders'. Some dogs will be shot. If that doesn't go as planned, expect the military to kick doors in.
Trump will win by a sizable margin until they "find " the mail in ballots. He'll contest it and refuse to leave, as he should. The Left will exercise a junta led by Leftist generals and attempt a coup.
You can expect to be told to turn in your guns and ammunition. If you don't, you'll be labeled as a domestic terrorist and get paid a visit by the police 'just following orders'. Some dogs will be shot. If that doesn't go as planned, expect the military to kick doors in.
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Serious.
Here's what active troops are saying about Trump and Biden in a new poll
A new poll of active military members, conducted by Military Times and the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University,
americanmilitarynews.com
i have two sons in the military, my best friend is, and i am a veteran. i dont need some bullshit link to “prove” to me how things actually are.
methinks you are smoking something strong.
methinks you are smoking something strong.
I think Trump's going to win by a landslide. Will we have riots, yep. We will have small "fires" to stomp out, but, they will be stomped. I feel, that this whole "commieizm" push, will backfire on the dims and will disappear again, for a while, anyways. We need to purge our Public School system of this far left thinking "Idealism/liberalism" shit, taught in our schools and start rooting out these bad actors. We need to have our children, start Pledging Allegiance again, start teaching the Three R's again and if you Do Not like what this Country has to offer, GTFO!
The dims have NOTHING on Trump and they can't stand it. They are eating themselves alive, grasping at anything. Hell, watching the briefing today, all the MSM could ask was.. The Covid, and still couldn't hang shit on Trump. These F's are losing their shit over this. I am hoping, after all this shit, that the dims just fade away.
As far as the Military is concerned, the Heavy Brass, are the ones that need to be purged out of their positions as well. Like was mentioned above, they get close to retirement, then the "deals" start happening. Trump put a big stick in the wheel for members of the Swamp. This shit has been happening for decades and it's going to take more than one President to get the job done, the Swamp is deep and it is mucky. Mac
eta: Gotta go now, C.J. is on t.v. , in Mich. with 3 people, 2 roadies and 1 reporter, what an F'n joke! LoL!
The dims have NOTHING on Trump and they can't stand it. They are eating themselves alive, grasping at anything. Hell, watching the briefing today, all the MSM could ask was.. The Covid, and still couldn't hang shit on Trump. These F's are losing their shit over this. I am hoping, after all this shit, that the dims just fade away.
As far as the Military is concerned, the Heavy Brass, are the ones that need to be purged out of their positions as well. Like was mentioned above, they get close to retirement, then the "deals" start happening. Trump put a big stick in the wheel for members of the Swamp. This shit has been happening for decades and it's going to take more than one President to get the job done, the Swamp is deep and it is mucky. Mac
eta: Gotta go now, C.J. is on t.v. , in Mich. with 3 people, 2 roadies and 1 reporter, what an F'n joke! LoL!
An alternative scenario is that organized militias of citizens covertly and overtly pay visits to the police and to members of the military who don't know their place.
Those would not be pleasant visits.
Serious.
Here's what active troops are saying about Trump and Biden in a new poll
A new poll of active military members, conducted by Military Times and the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University,
Per the article
“Peter Feaver, a White House adviser to former President George W. Bush, noted the poll skews towards career-oriented service members “which may be different from the junior enlisted view of things.”
The polling showed officers have stronger negative attitudes towards Trump than enlisted members. 59.1 percent of officers polled said they had an unfavorable view of Trump, with more than half saying they strongly disapprove of his performance. Just 35.1 percent of officers viewed Trump favorably. Among enlisted respondents, 47.1 percent had an unfavorable view of Trump while around 38.7 percent had a favorable view.
Military Times did not report information about Biden’s favorability among respondents and it is unclear if the poll asked about his favorability.“
If they only ask the favorability of one candidate while either not asking or reporting on the other then that would imply bias would it not? After all it’s only been 4 years since Biden was in office so it’s conceivable that many service members in the poll would have directly served under his leadership as Vice President.
Those numbers are not by individual opinion but are being drilled into young officer candidate's heads that are coming fresh out of liberal universities and into OCS, where the indoctrination is continued if not intensified.
And lets not kid ourselves, the consideration of promotion is tied to political views of a candidate to see if he or she 'has the right stuff'and what they're looking for.
Officers have college educations. I wonder where their bias comes from? <sarcasm>
Trump actually cracks me up all the time. He's having fun with the stupid stuff and it drives the whackos crazy.
12 more years
12 more years
And the left goes apoplectic.
12 more years
12 more years
And the left goes apoplectic.
My nephew went in the Army right before Trump took office. He had lots of college hours and they're grooming him for OCS. Only problem is my sister is a mentally ill English teacher that even has a Hillary Clinton hair style and thought Obama was a mesiah. She's also a rabid socialist that brainwashes her students and trades anti Trump posts with them on Facebook, which should be against the teaching administration.
I haven't spoken to her since the election and she blocked me, he own brother, after she talked me into joining FB, LOL.
I broke off all communications with that commie and her commie lawyer Dem. husband. I bet my nephew was mindfucked before he even enlisted.
Having lived in the middle of race riots, ones where the NG was actually deployed with ammunition; I know for a fact that they are certainly a possibility, and are likely a probability.
The whites were hardly affected at all because the NG and the male white citizenry stood their ground with whatever small arms were at their disposal; usually shotguns in the civilian hands.
The instigators skipped town when things turned South for them, and were hunted down over the years. Most died in federal prisons.
The decent black folks, about 99% of the people on the contested ground, got to see their entire neighborhoods burned to the ground, where they remained rubble for well over a decade.
I see this coming again, not because of black rights, not because of politics, but because the decent black people will once again refuse to face their own problems head on. Why should they? The Government has always solved their problems for them. Why should they risk their lives and liberty when all those nice people in camo can be ordered to do it for them?
In the end they will be placated for acts that they never sponsored, and never participated in. It all just takes place around them, not among them. They can claim innocence, but are they innocent? I can't answer that, but unless someone does, this cyclical paroxysm will endure as a part of our society's fabric.
I think that this time, the riots we will see, and may be forced to witness personally, will make what went before pale by comparison.
The Socialism part is just a tool. The politics part is just an excuse. The race thing is just a ploy.
The real problem is that some people just want to watch the world burn; and that here in the USA, we let them. And some of us pay them, too.
Greg
The whites were hardly affected at all because the NG and the male white citizenry stood their ground with whatever small arms were at their disposal; usually shotguns in the civilian hands.
The instigators skipped town when things turned South for them, and were hunted down over the years. Most died in federal prisons.
The decent black folks, about 99% of the people on the contested ground, got to see their entire neighborhoods burned to the ground, where they remained rubble for well over a decade.
I see this coming again, not because of black rights, not because of politics, but because the decent black people will once again refuse to face their own problems head on. Why should they? The Government has always solved their problems for them. Why should they risk their lives and liberty when all those nice people in camo can be ordered to do it for them?
In the end they will be placated for acts that they never sponsored, and never participated in. It all just takes place around them, not among them. They can claim innocence, but are they innocent? I can't answer that, but unless someone does, this cyclical paroxysm will endure as a part of our society's fabric.
I think that this time, the riots we will see, and may be forced to witness personally, will make what went before pale by comparison.
The Socialism part is just a tool. The politics part is just an excuse. The race thing is just a ploy.
The real problem is that some people just want to watch the world burn; and that here in the USA, we let them. And some of us pay them, too.
Greg
So, I'm active duty still and I listen to a lot of what people talk about. I know of two people in just my company that actively support BLM and this crap. They are of course black and nothing is said to them about the comments they make against this country. It makes me sick hearing it. Of course I bring facts to their comments and they still spew this garbage. I was still recovering from my surgery when most of the stuff kicked off, but I still was answering their BS messages in our group text chat that I have to belong to.
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I’ve heard grumbling about over throw of a Republican president George W. Bush. The plan was to start a Civil war with Blacks, Mexican, Muslims. Then UN troops would come in to kick our ass. The American Generals would hold American Troops out of the fight until it was to late to save America.
But 9-11 came all America’s were pissed and nothing happened.
One thing I think is funny is America has not had a war General Hero since General Eisenhower.
General Westmoreland was destroyed by the press. McChrystal was destroy by the press and Obama and Biden. Petraeus was destroyed by Obama and Biden. You still have Colon Powell but George W hurt him with the UN speech on WMD’s
I don’t think we have a General that can lead an Army against the American people. Or a politician that can lead it.
I think the Pentagon is full of traitors.
But 9-11 came all America’s were pissed and nothing happened.
One thing I think is funny is America has not had a war General Hero since General Eisenhower.
General Westmoreland was destroyed by the press. McChrystal was destroy by the press and Obama and Biden. Petraeus was destroyed by Obama and Biden. You still have Colon Powell but George W hurt him with the UN speech on WMD’s
I don’t think we have a General that can lead an Army against the American people. Or a politician that can lead it.
I think the Pentagon is full of traitors.
It seems some of those senior officers forgot that the rest of us were serious when we swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I won’t tolerate that on my watch.
I look upon war with horror, but if it must come, I am here.
I won’t tolerate that on my watch.
I look upon war with horror, but if it must come, I am here.
That's just what people they can find to go support the narrative. There are far more troops, Informer military personnel that support him 100%.Serious.
Here's what active troops are saying about Trump and Biden in a new poll
A new poll of active military members, conducted by Military Times and the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University,
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