Is there a run on reloading supplies?

[BigOhio]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidjschenk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Golfy Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they may out of stock due to panic.


Everything will be fine after 6 months.</div></div>

I think that's exactly right.

Gun owners and would-be owners are freaking out <span style="font-style: italic">en masse</span>, but there just is no indication that reloading supplies are targeted for any legislation. The ARs definitely are "in the crosshairs," but that's it.

Still, when have we as Americans ever passed up a good opportunity to overreact, right? Mebbe if we keep pushing it, we can get cans of Spam and baked beans to sell out. Yippee!

Yours,

David
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Maybe items will be available in 6 months things or maybe not. I seem to remember not too long ago (after the Batman fiasco) calls for restrictions for online ammo and magazine sales and I guarantee the gungrabbers haven't forgotten. I say get whatever you can now. A month ago my local retailer had a whole shelf full of bulk powders and went last week to pick up a container of H1000 and all they had were a few 1# cans of misc. powders and a few 5# containers of RL22. Never used RL22 but I figured better than nothing so bought 10# of it. Also been stocking up on bullets since a little before the election but that's just me.

 

[AK10mm]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

Only thing I see a shortage of in my part of Alaska is sm rifle primers,and some powders like H335,Varget,4350....

Everything else is well stocked

 

[clmayfield]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidjschenk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is not a simple question and I say it deserves something better than any of the simple answers.
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Lighten up, Francis. We are not talking about gouging for potable water during a natural disaster or for food staples or even gasoline. We are talking about magazines, AR's, and ammo. These don't come close to being necessities.

Yeah, all this irrational behavior sucks. You have people buying powder they don't even use because some is better than none at all. Is it better to have the stuff available at a higher price or to not have it available at all?

I am surprised that the people who bought all these reloading supplies during the first Obama scare still don't have enough in inventory. Did they shoot through it all?

I am not worried about reloading supplies in the near term. In the long term, I understand why AR's and pmags are so expensive. If these don't get banned, they will be available again for cheap. Maybe even cheaper than before the scare.

 

[David S]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidjschenk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is not a simple question and I say it deserves something better than any of the simple answers.
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Lighten up, Francis. We are not talking about gouging for potable water during a natural disaster or for food staples or even gasoline. We are talking about magazines, AR's, and ammo. These don't come close to being necessities.</div></div>

Hi Carter,

Heh. Sorry about that. I'm actually a philosophy professor by trade, so whenever folks' comments turn to matters metaphysical or moral-philosophical, I get all revved up. German that I am, I feel like everything always has to have a principled, rationally derivable rule behind it.

You're right, though--I've not seen any real gouging on ammo supplies or even ARs, though I have seen some guys freak out over the expectation that prices would skyrocket. (Futures traders--what're you gonna do with 'em, eh?)

BTW, for anyone else who has been running low on RL 15 &/or 17, a kind fellow Hider told me today that Bruno's Shooter Supply has a bunch in stock, and their prices seem pretty good (better than my local shop, anyway).

After this shit that happened right nearby in Webster, NY now, I do think the popular anxiety in the gun community is only going to increase, and not without reason.

Yours,

David

 

[clmayfield]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidjschenk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">German that I am, I feel like everything always has to have a principled, rationally derivable rule behind it.
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It is said that Kant developed his system and then spent the rest of his life coming up with exceptions. In life, moral truths are small and bracketed, not based on grand systems.

For me, gouging is morally wrong when it comes to necessities like food and water. For gun powder, not as much. But what about drugs and medical supplies? That is more of a gray area.

 

[David S]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidjschenk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">German that I am, I feel like everything always has to have a principled, rationally derivable rule behind it.
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It is said that Kant developed his system and then spent the rest of his life coming up with exceptions. In life, moral truths are small and bracketed, not based on grand systems.

For me, gouging is morally wrong when it comes to necessities like food and water. For gun powder, not as much. But what about drugs and medical supplies? That is more of a gray area.</div></div>

Hi Carter,

Quite right--it gets very tricky around the margins (and btw I actually don't favor legally banning gouging on gun supplies, though I do think any gouging is immoral; I only made it read that way as a device to point out to some other guys that "legally permissible" != "perfectly morally okay"). With necessities gouging is a serious problem, while with things people just happen to want a whole lot, it's generally better to let the marketplace deal with it. Do note, though, that in this case we are no longer true capitalists; we're trying to <span style="font-style: italic">minimize</span> harmful restrictions on the marketplace, but we do have them and we justify our policies on grounds other than just mutual consent in contracts.

You've also very cleverly and correctly identified the greatest weakness in Kant's moral philosophy: how must these universal rules of ours look in order to avoid some really hideous results?? I don't think this undermines the man's system, but certainly Kantians owe the rest of the philosophical community a very detailed explanation here.

Back to the original topic, for all the hand-wringing some shooters are doing right now, I still don't think our reloading supplies are in any legal danger. I'm sure retailers will be happy to cater to the collective panic, but no way do I foresee things like powder and bullets coming under the legislative knife. No way.

Now, when it comes to our ARs, I think the countdown has already begun. I mean, when <span style="text-decoration: underline">Ron Paul</span> starts saying nasty things about Lapierre's defense of the NRA position-- holy crap!...

Yours,

David

 

[clmayfield]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

I agree with Ron Paul on both counts. Hard to justify extra security when we are laying off teachers. Banning guns is ineffective. Do neither.

Here are great examples of policy making directly after national crises:
1) Invasion of Iraq
2) Founding of Department of Homeland Security (we have two massive security bureacracies that aren't talking to one another. Solution... create a third bureacracy)
3) Tightening money supply after Stock Market Crash of 1929
4) TARP

TARP is probably the best call out of all of these and is widely hated by the Right for bailing out banks from the repurcussions of their own stupidity and by the Left for not focusing on bailing out consumers. I think the others were bad policy, which happens when you don't have a clear solution but people want action.

If the Sandy Hook killer had access to health care, he would have been institutionalized... but the father had money. The mom just didn't want to commit her son. If the FFL check would result in the Sandy Hook killer not being able to obtain a firearm... But the gun wasn't his, it was his mother's. Are we going to ban people who have relatives with mental illness from purchasing firearms? Would limiting magazine capacity have prevented the Sandy Hook kill a single first grader? Probably not. Would an assault weapon ban prevent the Sandy Hook killer from killing a single first grader? Probably not. Might these bans have reduced casualties? Maybe.

Fact is, there are no good solutions to this problem. I think Ron Paul understands that. Can he make others feel the same?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

Yep. Sure is a run on reloading supplies. Here is why. Blatant stupidity. People buying more stuff than they can reasonably use in 10 fucking years of shooting every weekend. I am sure just like before there are shitloads of guys that don't shoot twice a year, let alone twice a month, who have bought 25 pounds of powder, 20k primers, thousands of pieces of brass, bullets by the bucketful, because they think they will run out. Notwithstanding some of them have never shot 2000rounds in their lifetime. I know because I know the guys that are doing this stupid shit. I see them at the range, at gunshows,in gunstores, all around. They like to talk, they like to brag.
I don't like giving out information about where to find this or that, and am getting pretty damn tired of the questions. I am all for being friendly and neighborly, but to tell some guy that I don't know, the nearest store he can go rape with his Visa card,gonna stop. I have given a small amount of info since this shit began but I am rethinking that practice with extreme prejudice.
If there is a shortage it is due to simple idiocy. I am a bit worried about even being able to host my competitions next year because eventually there will be a pile of unused components in thousands of asshat's storage rooms.

I swear if this dumb shit continues myhead is gonna explode....BOOM! cherry pie.
<rant off>

 

[jermeatimus]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

I know you meant that in all seriousness but it still made me chuckle like the pills bury doughboy in parts ... But I totally see what u mean I'm barely begginning reloading and can't find a single thing locally.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jermeatimus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know you meant that in all seriousness but it still made me chuckle like the pills bury doughboy in parts ... But I totally see what u mean I'm barely begginning reloading and can't find a single thing locally. </div></div>

Then I sincerely hope you find what you need to make it out the other side of this mess.

 

[jermeatimus]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

Ok so should I go with a powder thrower or a digital dispenser with scale... Harrell's powder thrower is what I have my eye on

 

[David S]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jermeatimus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok so should I go with a powder thrower or a digital dispenser with scale... Harrell's powder thrower is what I have my eye on </div></div>

Hi jermeatimus,

That's a decision you'll have to make for yourself based on your criteria. The general rule I follow is this: throwers make it quick, while tricklers make it accurate. For extreme accuracy I would <span style="text-decoration: underline">not</span> go with a digital scale, though; the RCBS Chargemaster often dispenses as much as 0.3 grains too much powder.

I have an Omega trickler that goes down to the individual granule, but also moves much faster than those hand-crank tricklers--you might into that if extreme precision is your game. I think the ideal scenario is one wherein one has both a thrower and a reliable trickler. Then you can get quick loads when you're not trying to shoot off the butt-hairs of a gnat, but for precision shooting you also can start with the thrower up to ~2 grains below your target and then finish with the trickler for maximum gnat intimidation.

Yours,

David

 

[jermeatimus]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

My initial start to reloading will be my .300wsm deer rifle and then I will begin reloading for my .308 for extreme accuracy after I feel comfy so maybe I shall start with the thrower and a nice set of scales

 

[David S]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jermeatimus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My initial start to reloading will be my .300wsm deer rifle and then I will begin reloading for my .308 for extreme accuracy after I feel comfy so maybe I shall start with the thrower and a nice set of scales </div></div>
The beam scales may be old school, but in my experience they're more accurate.

Yours,

David

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

Beam scales. I use 505'sandthey never let medown.

 

[jfseaman]

Re: Is there a run on reloading supplies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pizzamanny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there a run on reloading supplies and if so how bad? Here is my situation.I just bought a Savage 10 FCP-SR(308) Friday as my entry into LR shooting. I bought/ordered it Friday only due to the panic(it was normal price). I am deploying to Afghanistan soon and will return in Sept of 2013 I will do very little LR shooting between then and now. When I get back I plan to go full retard shooting and hunting(trips out west and whatnot). Should I buy everything now if I can get it or just wait? Money is not an issue. </div></div>IMHO, yes there is a run on all supplies or things are being reserved.

Wait.

Things will settle down by then..