ISR against cartel targets???

[232593]

ISR collection against cartel targets in Mexico?

US spy plane is caught making mysterious trip to cartel stronghold

A US spy plane flew over the Gulf of California in Mexico this week. The purpose of the flight is unusual, but it comes at a time of significant strain on US-Mexico relations as Trump cracks down.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Interesting

 

[Holliday]

Sooner we see these cartels wiped out the better.

 

[akmike47]

Sooner we see these cartels wiped out the better.

Same way we wiped out the terrorists

 

[The D]

Sooner we see these cartels wiped out the better.

This will never happen as long as the war on drugs keeps limping along

 

[rlsmith1]

Pretty sure Hagseth said we were cleared to do flights over Mexico this week. If we end up annexing Mexico over all this, I wouldn't be mad at all.

I will say, they have oil and a named terrorist group so the likelihood of us liberating them is growing...

 

[Holliday]

This will never happen as long as the war on drugs keeps limping along

Judas priest, if I had a slide show of every time some said “that will never happened” on this forum and IT DID HAPPEN.

How did people of this demographic become such “negative Nancys”? Seriously you all put Karen’s to shame. The same group that lectures the left on grabbing your bootstraps and “cowboy up”. The same demographic that says “can do, will do” !!!!

I am so sick of the “can’t do, won’t do” attitude.

For mold to grow and thrive you need several environmental elements. Start picking away those elements and suddenly mold either doesn’t grow or stops growing.

The US needs to make doing business across our border a hostile environment. We need to pick away at every aspect of what it takes for the cartels in Mexico to get their product here. We then need to pick away at the very cartels themselves.

Do we stop every bit? No probably not, but do we make it so the cartels break up and they don’t have the power and control that they have today in Mexico and across our own border. I believe we can do that. I would call that victory!

BUT FIRST we need a “can do will do” mindset. Without that, we might as well open the border and announce defeat. Which is pretty much what we’ve been doing until NOW.

 

[232593]

Same way we wiped out the terrorists

Islamic terrorists & drug cartels can be significantly reduced. If one is willing to take the necessary steps and employee necessary capabilities. Will such steps be taken & capabilities be employed??? We shall see.

 

[The D]

Judas priest, if I had a slide show of every time some said “that will never happened” on this forum and IT DID HAPPEN.

How did people of this demographic become such “negative Nancys”? Seriously you all put Karen’s to shame. The same group that lectures the left on grabbing your bootstraps and “cowboy up”. The same demographic that says “can do, will do” !!!!

I am so sick of the “can’t do, won’t do” attitude.

For mold to grow and thrive you need several environmental elements. Start picking away those elements and suddenly mold either doesn’t grow or stops growing.

The US needs to make doing business across our border a hostile environment. We need to pick away at every aspect of what it takes for the cartels in Mexico to get their product here. We then need to pick away at the very cartels themselves.

Do we stop every bit? No probably not, but do we make it so the cartels break up and they don’t have the power and control that they have today in Mexico and across our own border. I believe we can do that. I would call that victory!

BUT FIRST we need a “can do will do” mindset. Without that, we might as well open the border and announce defeat. Which is pretty much what we’ve been doing until NOW.

Oh no, you’re slightly mistaking me. I have no doubts that the US military could wipe the drug cartels out. The problem is that, precisely because all of that shit is illegal there will just be another more horrible group to take over the illicit drug trade

 

[The D]

Islamic terrorists & drug cartels can be significantly reduced. If one is willing to take the necessary steps and employee necessary capabilities. Will such steps be taken & capabilities be employed??? We shall see.

The way both of these problems are currently being handled assures that they will always be a problem.

https://www.cato.org/blog/counterinsurgency-math-revisited

 

[DOA]

Oh no, you’re slightly mistaking me. I have no doubts that the US military could wipe the drug cartels out. The problem is that, precisely because all of that shit is illegal there will just be another more horrible group to take over the illicit drug trade

Like the CIA did in the 80's?

 

[The D]

Like the CIA did in the 80's?

Ding Ding Ding

They will assure that a more heinous and bloodthirsty group take over. Not quite as bad as the cia themselves, but still really bad

Edit: Not take over but become the front organization

 

[MK20]

Look at Saudi Arabia. It is possible to effectively eradicate drug trafficking.

 

[akmike47]

Look at Saudi Arabia. It is possible to effectively eradicate drug trafficking.

Drugs shouldn’t be illegal, it’s not the worlds job to save you from yourself…and I’ve never done drugs.

 

[MK20]

I didn't say they should be illegal. I said stopping the trade was indeed possible.

 

[akmike47]

I didn't say they should be illegal. I said stopping the trade was indeed possible.

It wouldn’t be trafficking if it was legal and wouldn’t make them near as much money.

“The country(UAE) is identified as a major transit hub for heroin, which is usually trafficked from Iran and Afghanistan and destined for Europe. Demand is generated by both domestic and external actors. With a steady demand for cocaine, the UAE continues to be predominantly a destination country for trade in this drug.”

Keep living in a dream world about Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia Is the Middle East’s Drug Capital

Despite draconian laws, the region’s biggest economy is hooked on amphetamines.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[232593]

I didn't say they should be illegal. I said stopping the trade was indeed possible.

As opposed to stopping it why not reroute it to the CHICOMS?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Ding Ding Ding

They will assure that a more heinous and bloodthirsty group take over. Not quite as bad as the cia themselves, but still really bad

Edit: Not take over but become the front organization

The entire drug trade would end abruptly if folks here decided to stop doing drugs.
But since that's never going to happen, why not take the cartels out of the thing just like with prohibition.
Have the CIA run a legit corporate drug production trade and sell it legit and pocket most of the money and give the government and politicians a kickback?

 

[The D]

The entire drug trade would end abruptly if folks here decided to stop doing drugs.
But since that's never going to happen, why not take the cartels out of the thing just like with prohibition.
Have the CIA run a legit corporate drug production trade and sell it legit and pocket most of the money and give the government and politicians a kickback?

The cia will never take that sort of hit on their dark money voluntarily.

 

[RPN]

The entire drug trade would end abruptly if folks here decided to stop doing drugs.
But since that's never going to happen, why not take the cartels out of the thing just like with prohibition.
Have the CIA run a legit corporate drug production trade and sell it legit and pocket most of the money and give the government and politicians a kickback?

Just expand their current model, you mean?

 

[softcock]

It a 'Top Secret' spy plane . That's why we reading a Gov. press released on internet Medea....LOL

 

[Seed tick]

I think I am more worried about the corruption in our own government. That should be stomped out first

 

[clcustom1911]

Pretty sure Hagseth said we were cleared to do flights over Mexico this week. If we end up annexing Mexico over all this, I wouldn't be mad at all.

I will say, they have oil and a named terrorist group so the likelihood of us liberating them is growing...

Let the dark room autistics jacked on white monster energy drinks out to play

 

[The D]

Let the dark room autistics jacked on white monster energy drinks out to play

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No, get rid of it all. That’s coming back here to terrorize us eventually

 

[Emerson0311]

Let the dark room autistics jacked on white monster energy drinks out to play

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Lately the issue has been a lack of respect for the capabilities of an actual organized and equipped full time military directed by an administration with some balls. It’s time to let the dogs off their leashes. A few weeks, a few hundred deaths of scum instead of just generic sand people, and the borderlands will leap to police themselves.

 

[232593]

Let the dark room autistics jacked on white monster energy drinks out to play

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That’s “A” way.

But…

 

[rlsmith1]

No, get rid of it all. That’s coming back here to terrorize us eventually

Why Hagseth's confirmation was critical

 

[Varmint-Hunter]

Cutting the heads of the Cartel and taking all their money will be a good start.

 

[J. W.]

I’m all for wrecking the cartels, but as long as there’s money in it, they’ll keep coming. I think finishing the wall (with armed overwatch) would be the most sensible next step to take (in conjunction with continuing to do the mass deportations). Of course there will be tunnels and drones and all sorts of other wall-circumventions, but it would definitely put a big dent in the cartels’ business. Maybe big enough that the Mexican people could eventually take back control of their own country. And it would potentially keep our boots out of another country’s shit. Or at least maybe keep us from getting balls-deep in it.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Ban narcan.... jus' sayin.

 

[DOA]

Maybe big enough that the Mexican people could eventually take back control of their own country.

They are so indoctrinated by corruption, I don't see that ever happening.

 

[Thumper580]

Remember the scene from Clear and Present Danger....... They target the cartel guys house.... That was pretty effective

 

[Ronws]

Remember the scene from Clear and Present Danger....... They target the cartel guys house.... That was pretty effective

One of my favorite scenes is from that movie. Raymond Cruz ("The Closer" & "Major Crimes") is a cadet in sniper training. They have to get in close and hit the steel target near the judge's stand a number of times.

He completes that and the Sgt-Major asked him how he got so close.

"Sniper approached by being a sneaky bastard, Sergeant-Major!"

 

[mosin46]

This will never happen as long as the war on drugs keeps limping along

yea,we are protecting their profit center to keep $ flowing to all LE levels.

 

[Jsp556]

Killing off the cartel sounds good until they start targeting innocent Americans. I’d rather dopers die of dope than innocents targeted.

 

[mosin46]

and quit whining about OD deaths. users are not started or continuing because TDA or MS13 held a gun to their heads and forced them to start or continue using on pain of death. alcoholism is exactly the same. yes some rehab for people that truly want to quit any dangerous habit can be made available. 1 time supported program only. then LOL. young kids can be tricked into starting real early. that is on the parents,which is a whole other discussion.
of course legalizing is the 1st step. this country can just not learn prohibition,then the war on drugs; VN, then Iraq.

 

[Jscb1b]

Legalize everything. Take the money out of it. Ban nar can. This will never happen because the money flows both ways.

 

[clcustom1911]

Cutting the heads of the Cartel and taking all their money will be a good start.

To paraphrase/borrow a quote from a famous book, all the cartel members need to "fall by the edge of the sword and burn their fields with fire."

 

[LuckyDuck]

In many ways I've always harbored the notion that a "war against drugs" is in many ways a "war against human nature".

I'd argue that we aren't without historical precedence on this either. Setting aside what we've learned (or should have learned) from what... 40 years of the 'war on drugs', we saw what happened with alcohol during prohibition in the US (I'd say probably the closest parallel to be made). Organized crime went up, a bunch of money was spent combating it, eventually it was legalized and the government took the place of the organized crime of profiting by its legalization through taxation efforts. I doubt we'll see another ban on alcohol.

Decades of US involvement trying to disrupt the drug trade (at least in Central America since the US Govt was profiting from the drug trade quietly in East Asia) just has shown that eliminating one crime family (cartel if you prefer) creates a vacuum in power/competition allowing other... competitors I'll say, to take over that space for a time until some new ones spring up and the process repeats itself.

Narcan has been an otherwise 'interesting' development in that it's essentially breathed new life in the customer base. I'd personally love to see some unbiased statistics on the number of folks "saved" by Narcan and realized the folly of their addictions and turned an new life vs the repeat "saves" that Narcan brought. I believe life is valuable but the point I'm trying to make is if the statistics are as skewed as I suspect, we're now devoting tax money not only to 'fighting' drugs but also keeping their customers alive & kicking and buying more of the 'products' which ergo is further enriching the cartels.

It's a complicated situation for sure- but I don't see the status quo being disrupted until the US Govt takes the financial incentive from the drug families and assumes the incentives for itself by legalizing it and reaping the benefits through taxation (much like we've seen through alcohol). Nothing will be 'fixed' from a human nature perspective, just a transference of which entity receives the financial benefits from its existence is all.

-LD

 

[EddieNFL]

To paraphrase/borrow a quote from a famous book, all the cartel members need to "fall by the edge of the sword and burn their fields with fire."

Insightful coming from a doctor.

 

[Big Phish]

Pretty sure Hagseth said we were cleared to do flights over Mexico this week. If we end up annexing Mexico over all this, I wouldn't be mad at all.

I will say, they have oil and a named terrorist group so the likelihood of us liberating them is growing...

I say draw the line straight across from tip of Texas and take the Baja. Install a 2 foot thick concrete wall all the way across afterwards. Then throw every god damned non mexican illegal wetbacks over the wall that doesn't want to learn to speak english and be part of the work force.

 

[Mr.BR]

While strikes on cartels might reduce their capability and make some positive PR , its a game of whack a mole as long as demand keeps growing , Hunter Biden and other junkes are not going anywhere . Maybe Mexicans lose their grip but others step into their shoes ,likely ever more sophisticated players.

War on drugs has been on going since 1971 ,CIA hopped on the drug trafficking into US already in the 60's .Anyone who thinks they are not into drug trafficking today is delusional .Probably flew out drugs from Afghanistan on every flight they had , then comes Taliban and whole shit gets shut down like in 2 years.

Given Panama is in sights again , lets not forget US installed & supported ,drug lord Noriega ran it for a while.

https://irp.fas.org/congress/1998_cr/980507-l.htm

Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

 

[hankpac]

Judas priest, if I had a slide show of every time some said “that will never happened” on this forum and IT DID HAPPEN.

How did people of this demographic become such “negative Nancys”? Seriously you all put Karen’s to shame. The same group that lectures the left on grabbing your bootstraps and “cowboy up”. The same demographic that says “can do, will do” !!!!

I am so sick of the “can’t do, won’t do” attitude.

For mold to grow and thrive you need several environmental elements. Start picking away those elements and suddenly mold either doesn’t grow or stops growing.

The US needs to make doing business across our border a hostile environment. We need to pick away at every aspect of what it takes for the cartels in Mexico to get their product here. We then need to pick away at the very cartels themselves.

Do we stop every bit? No probably not, but do we make it so the cartels break up and they don’t have the power and control that they have today in Mexico and across our own border. I believe we can do that. I would call that victory!

BUT FIRST we need a “can do will do” mindset. Without that, we might as well open the border and announce defeat. Which is pretty much what we’ve been doing until NOW.

I frequently remind folks that the cross-border drug trade isn’t one sided. It isn’t a multi-billion dollar industry, just because it ships drugs across our border. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry due to a multi-billion dollar APPETITE, inside our border. There is some serious levels of consumption in the USA, and those people are every level: from school teachers, to attorneys and judges, to physicians, to engineers and pilots, and air traffic controllers. There’s no serious “ war on drugs” as long as so many people are enslaved. It’s not only the wired posturing people on skid row, it is a significant number of the expletives right around you, from county office clerks to your surgeon, LEO, and fire, teachers, and politicians at all levels. , …billions of dollars worth of American noses. Look around your work. Somebody is using. Might only be one, but it’s there.

 

[mavrick10_2000]

Legalize everything. Take the money out of it. Ban nar can. This will never happen because the money flows both ways.

While I agree with your general premise, that cannot be done until there is absolutely no welfare system in place for them (other than individuals trying to help)- otherwise it would finish us off financially faster that the last administration

Society has to be ready to completely look the other way as these people rot and die in their neighborhoods, and there are negative secondary effects.

If we were just talking cocaine, pot and maybe heroin it wouldn't be near as risky - it would still wreak havoc on society eventually. But with Fentanyl, Tranq and these synthetics - a brick into a local water supply would kill millions in a few days. ~2mg fatal dose.

 

[BurtG]

Drugs shouldn’t be illegal, it’s not the worlds job to save you from yourself…and I’ve never done drugs.

Yes but need to also get rid of welfare and free healthcare / emergency rooms when you legalize it all

 

[BurtG]

Let’s not forget all the US border agents / cops / judges / prosecutors etc that make the drug trade possible either voluntarily or plata o plomo

 

[BurtG]

Killing off the cartel sounds good until they start targeting innocent Americans. I’d rather dopers die of dope than innocents targeted.

Lol they do that. Then all the Karen’s and ned Flanders and good people will be all for sending .mil in there full force.

Would be a big mistake on their part

 

[BurtG]

a brick into a local water supply would kill millions in a few days. ~2mg fatal dose.

Like the big city’s full of treasonous scum and illegals ?

 

[Jsp556]

Yes but need to also get rid of welfare and free healthcare / emergency rooms when you legalize it all

It’s not free. Just look at your taxes and current health insurance rates. They’re raping us that carry our own weight.

 

[Terry Cross]

ISR collection against cartel targets in Mexico?

US spy plane is caught making mysterious trip to cartel stronghold

A US spy plane flew over the Gulf of California in Mexico this week. The purpose of the flight is unusual, but it comes at a time of significant strain on US-Mexico relations as Trump cracks down.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Interesting

Here is some more info on the ISR runs that I posted in another thread yesterday.

RC-135 Rivet Joint Surveillance Jet Just Flew Unprecedented Mission Off Mexico

An RC-135V looks to have flown two sorties in the past 48 hours over the tight confines of the Gulf of California that sits adjacent to a notorious cartel hotspot.

www.twz.com

 

[232593]

Here is some more info on the ISR runs that I posted in another thread yesterday.

RC-135 Rivet Joint Surveillance Jet Just Flew Unprecedented Mission Off Mexico

An RC-135V looks to have flown two sorties in the past 48 hours over the tight confines of the Gulf of California that sits adjacent to a notorious cartel hotspot.

www.twz.com

I’m thinking that the intent of the effort was likely more psychological in nature. Let them start wondering and start sweating.

Important principle of IC is to ensure the TGT doesn’t know it’s getting IC.