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Gunsmithing ITAR and Chambering?

mrobles3808

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Just as I am about ready to receive my lathe, mill, tooling etc.... to start chambering barrels and other common work -- I find out about this registration of "manufacturing" that is apparently different that what the ATF states? Do smiths who chamber and thread barrels really register with ITAR? Seams bogus for sure.
 
Just as I am about ready to receive my lathe, mill, tooling etc.... to start chambering barrels and other common work -- I find out about this registration of "manufacturing" that is apparently different that what the ATF states? Do smiths who chamber and thread barrels really register with ITAR? Seams bogus for sure.

Correct, it’s bogus, and legally necessary anyway. If you’re removing metal, it’s ITAR.
 
The whole ITAR thing is BS. ITAR was 'designed' to control what was exported outside the US boundaries, not control what was manufactured with in its borders. The ITAR letter that got everyone's undies in a bundle was an Obama-era ploy to control guns. The government over-stepped its limits.
 
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Hi,

Short "Legal" answer is YES you must register. (Until the upcoming changes actually go through, but no timeline on that yet).

Long "Legal" answer is direct from State Department Below:
I have highlighted bold the exact reference for your situation.

Sincerely,
Theis

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Bureau of Political-Military Affairs Directorate of Defense Trade Controls Washington, D.C. 20520-0112

July 22, 2016

Applicability of the ITAR Registration Requirement to Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths

Summary:

The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) has reviewed and consolidated policy guidance about whether various activities related to firearms constitute manufacturing for International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR Parts 120-130) purposes and require registration with DDTC and payment of a registration fee. DDTC has found that many – but not all – traditional gunsmithing activities do not constitute manufacturing for ITAR purposes and, therefore, do not require registration with DDTC. The following guidance is confined to DDTC’s ITAR implementation. You must also comply with all other relevant laws.

Background:

The Arms Export Control Act (AECA) (22 U.S.C. § 2751 et seq.) and the Gun Control Act (GCA) (18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq.) are two distinct U.S. laws that concern manufacturing of firearms. The GCA requires firearm manufacturers to obtain licenses as manufacturers (known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs)) from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The AECA, in relevant part, requires manufacturers of defense articles, including certain firearms, to register with the Department of State, Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. Because the GCA is intended to cover a broader scope of domestic activity than the AECA, the ATF regulations define the term “firearm” more broadly than the ITAR. As a result, not every firearm controlled by the ATF regulations is also controlled by the ITAR.

The AECA’s statutory requirement for firearms manufacturers to register with DDTC is implemented in Part 122 of the ITAR:

§122.1 Registration requirements.

(a) Any person who engages in the United States in the business of manufacturing or exporting or temporarily importing defense articles, or furnishing defense services, is required to register with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls under §122.2. For the purpose of this subchapter, engaging in such a business requires only one occasion of manufacturing or exporting or temporarily importing a defense article or furnishing a defense service. A manufacturer who does not engage in exporting must nevertheless register.

ITAR Registration Requirements – Consolidated Guidance July 22, 2016 Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths

ITAR registration is required of persons who engage in the business of manufacturing defense articles. Persons who do not actually manufacture ITAR-controlled firearms (including by engaging in the activities described below, which DDTC has found in specific cases to constitute manufacturing) need not register with DDTC – even if they have an FFL from ATF. As indicated above, the requirements for obtaining FFLs under the GCA are separate and distinct from the requirement under the AECA and ITAR to register with DDTC.

The term “manufacturing” is not defined in the ITAR. In order to determine whether a firearms- related activity constitutes manufacturing for ITAR purposes, DDTC applies the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of the term. Likewise, DDTC applies the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning for “gunsmithing,” which traditionally has broadly included designing, making, or repairing guns. Not all firearms (as defined by ATF regulation) are “defense articles” under the ITAR, however, and not all activities involving assembly of and repairs to firearms qualify as manufacturing for ITAR purposes. DDTC has found that many traditional gunsmithing activities do not constitute manufacturing for ITAR purposes and, therefore, do not require registration under the ITAR, particularly where such activities do not require cutting, drilling, or machining and do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or operation of the ITAR-controlled firearm beyond its original capabilities.

Policy Guidance:

The guidance below is limited to domestic (U.S.) activities involving firearms (as defined in Category I(j)(1) of the United States Munitions List (USML) (22 CFR § 121.1)) and related ammunition that are .50 caliber (12.7 mm) or smaller – i.e., firearms in Category I, paragraphs (a) and (b), related items in paragraphs (e)-(h), and ammunition in Category III(a) for those firearms. Activities involving items elsewhere on the USML, including Category I, paragraphs (c) and (d), are not included in the scope of this guidance.

1. Registration not Required – Not Manufacturing: In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is not required because the following activities do not meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” that DDTC employs in implementing the ITAR and, therefore, do not constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:

  1. Occasional assembly of firearm parts and kits that do not require cutting, drilling, or machining;
  2. Firearm repairs involving one-for-one drop-in replacement parts that do not require any cutting, drilling, or machining for installation;
  3. Repairs involving replacement parts that do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation;
  4. Hydrographic paint or Cerakote application or bluing treatments for a firearm;
  5. Attachment of accessories to a completed firearm without drilling, cutting, or machining—such as attaching a scope, sling, or light to existing mounts or hooks, or attaching a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle brake, or similar item to a pre- threaded muzzle;
  6. Cosmetic additions and alterations (including engraving) that do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or other aspects of firearm operation beyond its original capabilities;
  7. Machining new dovetails or drilling and tapping new holes for the installation of sights which do not improve the accuracy or operation of the firearm beyond its original capabilities; and
  8. Manual loading or reloading of ammunition of .50 caliber or smaller.
Activities limited to the domestic sale or resale of firearms, the occasional assembly of firearms without drilling, cutting, or machining, and/or specific gunsmithing activities that do not improve the accuracy, caliber, or operations of the firearm beyond its original capabilities (as described above) are not manufacturing within the context of the ITAR. If you are not manufacturing, exporting, temporarily importing or brokering defense articles or services, you are not required to register with DDTC.

2. Registration Required – Manufacturing: In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:

    1. a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;
    2. b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
    3. c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);
    4. d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;
    5. e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;
    6. f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
    7. g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
    8. h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.
ITAR Registration Requirements – Consolidated Guidance July 22, 2016 Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths

3. Registration Required – Other than Manufacturing:

      1. a) Assisting foreign persons in the design, development, and repair of firearms may constitute the export of a defense service (see 22 CFR § 120.9) and require ITAR registration with and authorization from DDTC; and
      2. b) Exporting a firearm or any other item on the USML requires ITAR registration with and authorization from DDTC.
If, after careful review of this guidance, you are unsure as to whether you are required to register with DDTC, you may submit an advisory opinion request (see 22 CFR § 126.9) detailing exactly what you do or intend to do with regard to firearms and ammunition. This request should be sent in hard copy (services like UPS or FedEx recommended for faster delivery) as indicated on our website: http://pmddtc.state.gov/about/contact_information.html.

If you have any general follow-on questions, please feel free to contact the Response Team at (202) 663-1282 or [email protected].
 
If you ask around you'll find many small operations don't bother with ITAR, not recommending that but it is what it is.

Hi,

A $2250 registration fee is MUCH MUCH cheaper than the fines that come from doing such thing.
The Administrative Fines from DDTC start at 100k.
The Criminal Fines from DDTC start at 1 Million on top of the actual Federal criminal charges.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Tell ya what:

I hired a law firm that soaked me for around $4,000.00 to research this. I paid the $2,500 to the DoS. Know what came of it?

Not a damn thing other than a bleeding checkbook. -edit: it took multiple attempts just to sort out who/where the check was supposed to actually go.

I once worked for DoS. From that experience I am of the opinion they are more concerned with who the next TCN is they can shag or where the lobster is going to come from for some overpriced embassy fiasco.

Far as I am concerned, the BATFE is who issues my license, governs my license, and its the sole entity I answer to. DoS's charter is outside of our borders.

SO, when the black helo's and armored suburbans show up, I'll hand em the keys and tell em to have a party. Till then, they can eat a dick.
 
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Hi,

Asking the ATF about anything ITAR related is like asking the DMV for anything social security related....totally different entities with totally different regulations.

Ask that regional ATF supervisor to put that in writing and see what happens.

Over a decade of ITAR investigations from my side of the conversation :)

About 15 years consulting to the DDTC under the Defense Trade Advisory Group and DOD Security Cooperation.

Roll the dice if you all want to but please do not post publicly that you are knowingly in violation of Federal law...please edit your post.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
I asked a regional supervisor at atf when this first came out and she said it's an over reach and just keep doing what I am doing (she knows my operation and that I am an 01) She said you answer to me and you are fine.

ATF has No jurisdiction on ITAR, and for decades has given wrong advice. State got so annoyed they put out a FAQ to clear up the misinformation.
 
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Federal agency regulations interpretation is not a strong point for everyone here.

Hi,

Well I am not sure how anyone could not interpret the need vs not need with reading the DDTC memo listed in one of my previous post.

That memo lays everything out in pretty specific terms.

Until the approved changes and language goes into affect...operating without the required registration as akin to manufacturing receivers without a FFL because you have a cnc machine or manufacturing suppressors without SOT because you think NFA is too complicated.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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I don't like big government any more than you guys but... In reality what percentage of your overhead is the registration cost? Assuming you are running a legitimate business.
 
Hi,

Well I am not sure how anyone could not interpret the need vs not need with reading the DDTC memo listed in one of my previous post.

That memo lays everything out in pretty specific terms.

Until the approved changes and language goes into affect...operating without the required registration as akin to manufacturing receivers without a FFL because you have a cnc machine or manufacturing suppressors without SOT because you think NFA is too complicated.

Sincerely,
Theis

Not arguing with your point nor the memo. Just saying that some don't get it and skew the interpretation to fit their own motives. The IRS definition of an employee is pretty cut and dry, and easy enough to find, but that one has been overlooked to save the business owner a few nickels on taxes by having their employees file as self-employed individual businesses (with all associated insurance, taxes, etc. on the employee's part) to have work subbed out to (sans 1099's no doubt)... From what I gather the IRS has corrected that one and saved the business from the ATF issues of subbing firearms related work to businesses that don't hold FFLs....

Anyway... Some folks learn the hard way.
 
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Hi,

Well I am not sure how anyone could not interpret the need vs not need with reading the DDTC memo listed in one of my previous post.

That memo lays everything out in pretty specific terms.

Until the approved changes and language goes into affect...operating without the required registration as akin to manufacturing receivers without a FFL because you have a cnc machine or manufacturing suppressors without SOT because you think NFA is too complicated.

Sincerely,
Theis

That info was pretty clear to me.
 
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