I was able to crank out the comparison video today. The bullet impacts at 100y really highlight the benefit of mid wave (cooled) thermal.
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That’s a good observation and I think it mostly has to do with the gain setting. I set the M low enough to get good detail out of hot objects, and it definitely mutes the background a little. If you check out my previous video I go through gain and sharpness settings and you can see the terrain detail come back.I agree with the above, seems like the UTC Xii did much better with background image (almost like the M didn't auto adjust). Was this due to the settings / unit calibration? How did the M compare to the UTC to the eye?
Fantastic video and sweet units! Watching that flock of birds fly by at 430 yds was awesome
I was going to comment on this. I don't have a voodoo M but I do have a voodoo S, and it gives fantastic terrain detail, and with a lower gain setting it brings out detail in animals very well (here are examples of both). I found that the animals were more crisp and carried more detail with the voodoo M compared to both UTC's. The HISS 320, while more sensitive, gave the worst image out of the 4 options.That’s a good observation and I think it mostly has to do with the gain setting. I set the M low enough to get good detail out of hot objects, and it definitely mutes the background a little. If you check out my previous video I go through gain and sharpness settings and you can see the terrain detail come back.
On both UTC I wasn’t able to get much detail out of the cows no matter the gain.
I can't find the xELR's vertical FOV, but even using its horizontal FOV for both numbers, you get 1 FPA pixel per 0.362 square inches, and we know it will be well below that in reality.Well the Yoter C is a good unit, but I think it is outclassed in that roundup.
Yoter C is putting out 1 FPA Pixel per 0.795 Sq. Inch at 100 yards
Voodoo M is putting out 1 FPA Pixel per 0.396 Sq. Inch at 100 yards
Triji UTCX II is putting out 1 FPA Pixel per 0.376 Sq. Inch at 100 yards
So unless there is some super magic in the Yoter C algorithms and output display screen (1024 x 768), the Yoter C is significantly outgunned all things being considered equal due to FPA pixel density.
For additional consideration, a Flir Thermosight PTS 736 is putting out 1 FPA Pixel per 0.363 Sq. Inch at 100 yards with a 320 X 256 FPA on a 1280 x 960 FLCOS display screen, albeit with a narrower FOV. But it is an excellent long range thermal. Dollar for Dollar it is hard to beat for long range performance.
Depends upon how you got it and how publicly you show it off.Does owning a HISS XLR put you on some crazy federal watch list? Or is that reserved for people that attend school board meetings?I
I'd still love to have one, but at $70k I can be content with *just* an XELR.
I will bet a dime to a donut you have it figured correctly.I may be way off on this, but the vertical and horizontal FOV should be the same ratio as the vertical and horizontal pixels of the sensor. So it's 640x480 res. 480/640=0.75.
5.3°x0.75= roughly 4°. So 5.3×4° FOV.
or am I just confused?
Definitely following this thread. Am new to the thermal game but just spent a season coyote hunting with the HALO XLR. It’s good, but I miss my day reticle. The Voodoo M seems like a great balance of weight and capability.I talked to the guys at POT.... and apparently when I asked about 1280 HD display thermals, they said they are working on it and look towards the end of the year... so that's promising. And that being said, I might actually be patient and wait for a newer, high display res thermal from them.
Wow this is really vivid!I was going to comment on this. I don't have a voodoo M but I do have a voodoo S, and it gives fantastic terrain detail, and with a lower gain setting it brings out detail in animals very well (here are examples of both). I found that the animals were more crisp and carried more detail with the voodoo M compared to both UTC's. The HISS 320, while more sensitive, gave the worst image out of the 4 options.
Can you elaborate a little more on the 1280 displays they are contemplating.I talked to the guys at POT.... and apparently when I asked about 1280 HD display thermals, they said they are working on it and look towards the end of the year... so that's promising. And that being said, I might actually be patient and wait for a newer, high display res thermal from them.
Another question is: Does the Voodoo run on rechargeable RCR 123's.A minor question: I assume the voodoo m can take an external power supply, right? Hate CR123s.
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Definitely following this thread. Am new to the thermal game but just spent a season coyote hunting with the HALO XLR. It’s good, but I miss my day reticle. The Voodoo M seems like a great balance of weight and capability.
Is this legit—are they really upgrading the display soon??
A minor question: I assume the voodoo m can take an external power supply, right? Hate CR123s.
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I don’t know about rechargeables, but I would doubt it. The CR123 are in parallel for capacity, not higher voltage. It does come with a USB cable which can power it off of a power brick.Another question is: Does the Voodoo run on rechargeable RCR 123's.
Those are a nice option to run when you don't want a bunch of external power cables running out of your thermals.
For some strange reason I can get about the same exact run time out of a rechargeable 880 mAh RCR 123 as I get out of a 1,600 mAh CR 123 lithium primary.
That does not make logical sense to me, but that is what I have repeatedly experienced in Flir Thermosight Pros. Go figure that one.
Any downside to running these 3V batteries across the board? I'd guess laser and light output would be reduced? How would the Voodoo M, S, NOX or other units play with these?Horta you think or you know for sure it was a rechargeable RCR 123 coming off the charger hot at 4.2 Volts. Most of them are. 3.7 Volts nominal but come off the charger hot at 4.2 Volts
Would hate for one of these poor souls to be the test guinea pig that fry'd their $19.95 dollar Voodoo thermal.
You would be the hero if you for sure stuck a hot one in for a 100% confirmation.
If a burial were required, many would then offer their PallBearer services for free.
However, EBL does make a solid 3 Volt RCR 123 rechargeable that is solid as a rock. I run these in my sensitive devices that cannot take more than 3.6 Volts such as a COTI or Dbal A3. These batteries have the same voltage as primary CR 123 and are safe to use in anything rated for CR 123 primary batteries.
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No downsides. Those batteries are good to go in anything requiring regular CR 123 3 Volt batteries.Any downside to running these 3V batteries across the board? I'd guess laser and light output would be reduced? How would the Voodoo M, S, NOX or other units play with these?
Nice, I was just going to start looking for some good 3.0V RCR123. Is their peak discharge current the same as a CR123? Might not be an issue in thermals, but could be on flashlights.No downsides. Those batteries are good to go in anything requiring regular CR 123 3 Volt batteries.
Neither laser or light output is reduced. Only thing that might be reduced is the total run time on the devices as those are 800 mAh vs regular primaries are around 1,600 ish mAh but I have noticed that I get just about as much run time out of the rechargeables as I do the primaries.
The upside is that a lot of times you go out at night and use up 1/2 the juice in a primary CR 123 or thereabouts and you really don't know when it is going to run out but you continue to use it the next night so as not be wasteful with your batteries. Point being it could crap out on you at the worst possible time. With rechargeables you don't have to deal with that as you just recharge them up and start the night out with known fully charged batteries that likely will not crap out in one nights normal usage unless a horde of Zombies attacks your defensive position and you are forced to use the crapolla out of your laser dispatching them.
No pricing, has anyone in the US been able to buy any of this? Pretty cool lineup of products
I’m not highly educated on the high end stuff but some of it looks very similar to L3 and DRS products so that would make sense. Curious what the I2 tubes are like in their fusion because that could make or break devices like that.I can’t find a single image of their products not released by the company. To me that says “still vaporware/in development.”
Got a dealer buddy of mine to message these guys about carrying their products a year ago...still no word back as of yetNo pricing, has anyone in the US been able to buy any of this? Pretty cool lineup of products
Maybe they should use one of the EVF screens found in the better Digital Cameras, like the Sony A1. Having a 9.44M-dot OLED electronic viewfinder would make zooming in to that screen a lot better.I talked to the guys at POT.... and apparently when I asked about 1280 HD display thermals, they said they are working on it and look towards the end of the year... so that's promising. And that being said, I might actually be patient and wait for a newer, high display res thermal from them.
I spoke with them again recently....and no plans on updating the displays in their current lines.I talked to the guys at POT.... and apparently when I asked about 1280 HD display thermals, they said they are working on it and look towards the end of the year... so that's promising. And that being said, I might actually be patient and wait for a newer, high display res thermal from them.
Did they say anything about possible future lines of products? I'd imagine the next lineup is 24 months out at least if so...I spoke with them again recently....and no plans on updating the displays in their current lines.
Voodoo-M or ELR. Really your only viable options for high-end uncooled. ELR is $6K cheaper right now since SOK is rockin’ their inventory for $14.5K new. Voodoo if you like having something few others do and TracIR is in the cards for you.Any details on the above?
Also, I think the Voodoo-M is the way to go for me, unless I should wait a bit?