It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle

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Alright, I went to the range the other day, and i guess they have a new range officer, but during the hour and a half that i was there he came up to me no less than 6 time saying "hey that's a nice sniper rifle". now I don't know about any of you guys but do you consider any of your rifles "sniper rifles". i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. I mean is the bandwagon so large that any scope rifle is considered a "sniper rifle". Should i also add that in no way shape or form would i ever have the balls to call my self a sniper, just because i know those guys go through alot to EARN that name. finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" and he kind of flinched at every word, but it shut him up. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks this way
 
#2
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I just try to ignore 'em. Can't get mad at all the stupid/ignorant people in the world. We'd all be dead of heart attacks before the age of 30...
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It is the most common rifle issued to LEO Snipers..... And, other than it not having the adjustable LOP, provision for iron sights, and being a SA, it kinda resembles the M24.... It's not the rifle that makes it a sniper, it's the operator's use.... Accept the compliment & keep slinging down range!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kahlendrrari, he thought that because you were shooting cans of Dinty Moore stew instead of targets.
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</div></div> at the 1760yd. line.
 
#9
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I just tell them mine are long range competition rifles and I am a Marksman. Of course when I walk downrange to check my targets, the AR or Benelli are slung. No way in this AO am I walking 300 - 400 yards from a few grand in rifles without being able to, well, you get the idea. Paranoid? Maybe. Making it obvious that I am securing my weapons, even at range? Definitely.
 
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Hey, if it makes him happy to think he's seen an honest-to-gosh sniper rifle, let him enjoy his litte glow. What the heck difference does it make what he thinks, as long as he's not putting the arm on you. He was probably trying to pay you a compliment. It never hurts to be gracious when folks are being compimentary. I just hope you haven't made him apprehensive about yourself and/or other shooters of tactical-like equipment.

Anyhoo, Happy New Year all youse sniper-type rifle shooters...

Greg

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, if it makes him happy to think he's seen an honest-to-gosh sniper rifle, let him enjoy his litte glow. What the heck difference does it make what he thinks, as long as he's not putting the arm on you. He was probably trying to pay you a compliment. It never hurts to be gracious when folks are being compimentary.</div></div>

Well said.
 
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Here in Germany everything related to the term "sniper" is proscribed. There are two groups of people: One is anti-"sniper" and dislikes those who buy gear and stuff that is assumedly used by snipers or special forces. Tacticool is a common term for that matter.

The rest does not care about the intended target-group for their gear as long as it meets their own (high) quality standard. The reason is quite simple: durability.

I, for myself, don't like to be called a geardo, even if I have alot of tacticool items and a soon-to-be custom-precision-rifle for competitions. Durability and quality are my concern, I bought a rifle for quite a fortune and don't want to save money for low-quality shooting mats, cases or slings you might to buy twice over the years, resulting in the same money spent...


If I am asked, why I purchased all those sniper things, I remain silent or tell them, what I told you. Quality has nothing to do with being "tacticool", it is the only way to enjoy a competitive sport without worries about the durability of the gear, whatever the weather condition may be.

I have utmost respect for those who earned the designation sniper. With my eyes I do not even meet the requirements, so that is out of question for me anyway.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>


Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P


Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" and he kind of flinched at every word, but it shut him up. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks this way</div></div> That was probably a little over-the-top...IMHO. I've decided it's better to educate someone like that rather than just "shut him up". That is, if he's open to an education. A lot of people at the range are not all that savvy. Don't let it bother you... It'll only negatively affect your accuracy!
 
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have had my fair share of people walking up and thinking its a "sniper rifle, 50 BMG (its a .308), or that I had to be active military to own it". I just laugh it off and enjoy the rest of my day. No reason to get all upset over the ignorance of others.

Good thing you gave a hint I would have bet my paycheck it was "police"
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>


Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P


Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also)</div></div> Prophylactic???
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tell him dam right it's a sniper rifle... Tom Berenger built it himself!</div></div>

That matters not at all. Did you shave your bullets with a pocket knife? That's the important part.


I wouldn't let it bother me. I do correct the 'sniper' stuff though. I'm not a sniper in any way, and thus my rifle can not be a sniper rifle. But that's the way things are headed. Now that semi-autos are properly demonized it's time to turn towards those nasty scoped rifles too and give them scary names.
 
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I don't like people calling them "sniper rifles" these days either. Mainly because once the anti's NAME something... they can ban it. The anti gun crowd holds "sniper" stuff in an extremely negative light. If I admit its a sniper rifle... and I openly admit that I am NOT a sniper... then their next logical question is "well if you are not a sniper, why do you need such a powerful weapon capable of killing at such long ranges?"

We are losing this media war every single day. I try to be very careful what I say to uninitiated people when dealing with my firearms. I never call any of my rifles an "assault rifle" or "sniper rifle" or any of the like because those names carry a negative image when presented to the populace that is NOT familiar with guns.

Its important to understand that we are at war with the anti-gun crowd, and they are much better at propoganda than we are. We need to use as many positive ways to get new people shooting as possible. Tell them, "no sir, this is not a sniper rifle, but rather a long range precision rifle. I am not a sniper. I just enjoy shooting long ranges. It is very similar to a sniper's rifle in a lot of ways, but its the skill and training of the person shooting the rifle, as well as the capacity they are using it under that makes a gun a "sniper rifle." Educating these people will often gain us an ally.

Choose your words carefully, and always seize every opportunity like that to strengthen our ranks!
 
#21
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The rifle is what it is...

If someone buys a Rem 700P, he usually knows what the weapon is intended for.

I get the same comments from onlookers about my rifle. Well, frankly, with the AI stock, all the goodies and a camo job, it is quite obviously a sniper rifle. It actually wouldn't be too practical for hunting but has been build for Tactical Precision or Sniper matches.

I dunno, but for me, the weapon is what it is and it does not mean the operator knows how to use it properly either or is even qualified. Give a moron a sniper rifle and it is still a sniper rifle with a moron attached to it
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For most people at a shooting range, the rifles in this photos are obviously what they actually are and they're not hunting rifles:

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OOOhh...that's the secret!!!!!

The cool thing too is also the fact that when you wear a SNIPER t-shirt, then everything become snipery. You suddenly have a sniper handgun, sniper shoes, sniper sunglasses, sniper girlfriend, etc...

Seriously though, I don't mind people asking me what kind of rifle it is or making specific assumptions about it, because it <span style="font-weight: bold">obviously</span> is what it is.
 
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So, if the "P" or the older "PSS" does not stand for police, my only other "guess" would be "Precision?" Please do tell what the Remington rep told you it is meant to designate... Thanks! I always "ass-u-me(d)" it was precision or police.....
 
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When people that see my rifle that are not a custom to seeing such, I am often asked why do I need a rifle that is capable of shooting at such distances. Aside from that the question that I am asked the most is why do I need a "silencer"? I ask why not? I am a law abiding citizen that has paid the money and taxes to own it. Not to mention a thorough background check. I then ask them why do they have to own a car that runs faster than the posted speed limit for whatever area they are in. All they can tell me is that is different. I see no difference in the matter.
 
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I simply state that I participate in tactical precision shooting competition or even sniper matches (heck, again, it is what they are called in some states such as Oregon, Idaho, etc...)

So IMHO you can have a sniper rifle and particate in sniper matches - doesn't mean you have the certification as such either.

I've gotten a couple of people getting interested and actually attending a match after I explained what kind of competitions they are.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It actually wouldn't be too practical for hunting


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Please qualify this statement

I hunt with a heavy barrel Rem 700 Police with trued action yada yada, with a HS precision stock, harris BI-pod, and Leupold Mark VII 4.5-14. It came with a log book too

Any gun is a hunting gun IMO, its just a matter if I want to lug it around. Anything over 17.lbs is too heavy IMO
 
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Yeah, well..my rifle is over 17 pounds so, for me, it isn't practical. I'm a skinny guy and approaching 50 - it's getting kind of heavy.

That said, you're correct, it could be used for hunting too but I factually build it for competitions so I would not say it's a hunting rifle.

It's not the best thing to carry over long distance at this point, if I was hunting, I would build myself a lighter setup. I'm actually contemplating doing so for competitions too.

 
#31
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I think a guy who drove from California to Texas in open jeep to shoot a rifle competition could carry a little weight...
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Yeah, I'm more than 10 years older than you, and I'd like a 6 pound rifle to carry and a 17 pound rifle to shoot, except when shooting offhand, when I want the 6 pound rifle back.

What I really need is a gunbearer, but good help is hard to find these days.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I went to the range the other day, and i guess they have a new range officer, but during the hour and a half that i was there he came up to me no less than 6 time saying "hey that's a nice sniper rifle". </div></div>

If you had an AR15 or AK47, he may have said "Hey, that's a nice ASSAULT RIFLE." A term the media flogs to instill fear and loathing in the minds of the gullible and anxious masses.

Good for you to speak up.

I catch grief on this forum for suggesting to Hiders that we shouldn't refer to firearms as "weapons". It hurts the cause. Use accurate, correct terminology, and help educate the ignorant who can be redeemed.

 
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The majority of the people at the range where I shoot consider any rifle that has a scope with greater than 3-9x magnification, is .30 cal or greater, and has a stock that is anything other than wood to be a "sniper" weapon. After many conversations on the subject we agree-to-disagree on the subject and get on with shooting.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think a guy who drove from California to Texas in open jeep to shoot a rifle competition could carry a little weight...
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What a nut! Who's that guy! LOL!

That was an awesome trip though.

My next setup will probably be around 12-14 pounds. As long as I'm still competitive though, I'll continue shooting the 17 pounds bazooka. The fast majority of the stages in local matches are prone or supported shooting though - out of 10 stages, maybe 2 are standing or kneeling. Consistency through the majority of the stages is what's important. (and shooting the wrong target like I did in the last big SoCal match will not not help ur cause)

I'm still doing somewhat ok but it's getting harder each year. Need to exercise
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Maybe I should get my son to carry it for me as a 2009 resolution - good idea, Lindy!
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P

Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>

I think it was "Police" before, but they changed the name to Parkerized

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700p.htm
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P


Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>


Priapism



Jack


 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Megacab</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P


Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>


Priapism



Jack


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LOL, and on a good day - yeah, indeed
 
#39
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i guess i can admit i went a little over the top, and i was a little fed up about him coming over there so many times, but come on. maybe i should rattle can the rifle day-glow orange and wear a shirt that says i'm not a sniper, its not the first time it's happened, just he said it so many times, and while i was trying to shoot. i don't think my rifle is anything out of the ordinary, my father in law just suggested that because i was in the market for a beginner's rifle that i would not have to do a lot of maintinence to other than mounting the scope. but either way i was just venting because for some reason i was still bothered by it.
 
#40
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I just call them competition rifles when someone asks. Then they ask what kind of competitions. And I tell them tactical and sniper comps. Then they ask if I was a sniper. I say no I was an MP and picked up the long range competition bug when I got out. The usual response is "Cool, thanks see ya" and it ends there.

Afterwards you can here the person talking to others about how he checked out my competition rifles and the term sniper rifle is rarely heard again.

I think I am going to call them Kick-Ass MP Rifles for now on and tell them it is classified when they ask for an explanation.

 
#41
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I dunno, to keep it simple - just call it a sniper rifle and be done with it. A sniper rifle is pretty much a "tactical precision long-range shooting instrument"

As I said, a sniper rifle does not make someone a "sniper"

Heck, you have a lot of sniper rifles collectors (rifles used in actual wars for sniping or built for that purpose) and, because they're shooting it, does not make them snipers.

When people ask me if what I shoot is a sniper rifle, I say YEP. If they ask me if I was/am a sniper, I say NOPE but I use it for tactical precision or sniper comps.


 
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Webster's:

tac·ti·cal
Pronunciation: \&#712;tak-ti-k&#601;l\
Function: adjective
Date: 1570
1: of or relating to combat tactics: as a (1): of or occurring at the battlefront <a tactical defense> <a tactical first strike> (2): using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront <tactical missiles> bof an air force : of, relating to, or designed for air attack in close support of friendly ground forces
2 a: of or relating to tactics: as (1): of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2): made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view b: adroit in planning or maneuvering to accomplish a purpose



You'll notice this says nothing about the style of anything. You can't take a tactical rifle hunting because once it's purpose changes it's definition changes, you can't take a hunting rifle to war because once it's role changes it's definition changes.

Mark my words, we are screwing ourselves throwing the word tactical around the way we do. The libs will simply have to ban anything tactical and will use our own defintion of the word, not the webster's definition.

I'm a sport shooter and a hunter therefore I posses no tactical weapons.
If anyone asks why you need a sound supressor tell them you are an environmentalist fighting noise polution.
 
#45
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Yeah, well...

Do you take a hunting rifle to a sniper comp?

Do you take a hunting rifle to a sniper class?

Or does it suddenly become a "Tactical Precision" rifle.

Sorry if this makes it more complex, LOL!

Seriously though, I would simply call it as what it is. A rifle build for a specific purpose can be named for what it is. If the rifle is built for Tactical Precision or Sniper matches or classes, I think you can call it a Tactical Precision or Sniper rifle. Either way is correct.




 
#46
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When did the term "target rifle" become so horrible? I guess all my guns are dual purpose for hunting/target shooting...but really, whether it's sniper comp, tactical shooting, LR or SR bench, or hunting, isn't it still target shooting?
 
#47
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When people at the range tell me that I have a nice sniper rifle, I give then the same answer as when they tell me they like my Harley , (When in fact its a Suzuki Boulevard)I just say thanks.
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> When did the term "target rifle" become so horrible? I guess all my guns are dual purpose for hunting/target shooting...but really, whether it's sniper comp, tactical shooting, LR or SR bench, or hunting, isn't it still target shooting?
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Sure, you can call it that too, whatever makes you feel good.

My whole point is that the other terms used are not horrible either.

An Accuracy International rifle can be named a "target rifle" but it probably would be more appropriate to name is a "Sniper rifle" because it was built for that purpose, even if the operator isn't one and simply a competitor.
 
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