Hey guys I'm new to nv I have a itt gen 3 monocular nv I have a gg mount that lines up perfectly with my aim point on my ar I just bought a X-ray chassis for my 700 with a spigot and badger nv mount I put it on there in front of my scope it works but is blurry I was wondering am I making a big mistake or are they a adapter and no I don't have money to buy another one to be mounted on scope ?
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Night Vision ITT nigthvision mounted on riflescope?
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I wouldn't chance it on that gun. It goes behind the scope with an adaptor. Don't buy a new nvd. Buy a new rifle in 223!
What about behind a 308gas gun. My pof 308 with a break has almost no recoil
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It feels like it doesn't have recoil but it has a shocking amount! In the testing we did things like an SR 25 had G loads well over 1000 gs and with the SCAR 17 the G-Load was just incredible!!! Putting a suppressor on made it worse in total numbers but it did lengthen the pulse out. Hence that reason it "feels" like it isn't recoiling.
There is only one Image Intensifier on the market today that can handle that kind of force. The ICT Labs Evolution tube we use in our PVS 14RCs. Everything else, your just rolling the dice with recoil induced damage and failure.
Ok well there you have it.....thanks for clearing that up. Good info there.
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You can fire it, ONCE. Just kidding, please don't mount your ITT tubed 14 on a .308. Your PVS-14 will turn into a 3500 paper weight as soon as you squeeze off that first round.
Before clip-ons were common, and we didn't want to carry the abomination known as the PVS-10, we would carry an extra PVS-14 and mount it to the rear of the Leupold on the M-24. It was mainly for those times going out when you didn't plan on being out at night, didn't want to carry the weight of a larger unit, but needed to be prepared. It worked well enough, and I cant tell you how many rounds were put through this configuration. I never had one fail on the team from recoil. HOWEVER...if it did get destroyed, I would have just got another one. On the civilian side, I wouldn't dare because it would come out of my pocket. I don't happen to have the extra coin laying around.
I have been in on testing since, as late as this year where we mounted 14's with pinnacle tubes up on a SCAR and a Barrett 98B in .338L. Both got clusters on the innermost edge of zone 2. They were still usable, but they were no longer awesome blem free tubes. If we had continued shooting they would have been trashed completely in another 3-4 rounds I would guess.
My advice, as has been stated above...I wouldn't put a personally owned unit on a rifle larger than .223. I use a Pinnacle tubed 14 on a .300 blackout with no concerns, but you are not talking anywhere near the recoil impulse of a .308.
I have been in on testing since, as late as this year where we mounted 14's with pinnacle tubes up on a SCAR and a Barrett 98B in .338L. Both got clusters on the innermost edge of zone 2. They were still usable, but they were no longer awesome blem free tubes. If we had continued shooting they would have been trashed completely in another 3-4 rounds I would guess.
My advice, as has been stated above...I wouldn't put a personally owned unit on a rifle larger than .223. I use a Pinnacle tubed 14 on a .300 blackout with no concerns, but you are not talking anywhere near the recoil impulse of a .308.
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When you want to save money buy using your ITT thin film Pinnacle on high recoiling weapons, it goes like this.... You take your ITT thin film Pinnacle (in this case, pure sex BEAUTY) tube out...
You mount it to your high recoiling weapon (OR... in this case a 5.56mm suppressed piston gun, both of which make the recoil impulse worse, yes its counter intuitive but true) you pull the trigger a few times and it turns into this....
Close up to see how B. A. D. bad really is,
If this happens, your so mad you want to go stomp baby ducks!
Don't go stomp baby ducks, just because one dark night you pulled a trigger and it it all went wrong....
We have solutions to take care of this problem, REALLY we do.
When you want to save money buy using your ITT thin film Pinnacle on high recoiling weapons, it goes like this.... You take your ITT thin film Pinnacle (in this case, pure sex BEAUTY) tube out...
You mount it to your high recoiling weapon (OR... in this case a 5.56mm suppressed piston gun, both of which make the recoil impulse worse, yes its counter intuitive but true) you pull the trigger a few times and it turns into this....
Close up to see how B. A. D. bad really is,
If this happens, your so mad you want to go stomp baby ducks!
Don't go stomp baby ducks, just because one dark night you pulled a trigger and it it all went wrong....
We have solutions to take care of this problem, REALLY we do.
I asked this question before and was warned not to. Not even a heavy barrel suppressed 308 bolt gun. Perceived recoil and pulses are not the same.
That's interesting because I have fired mine mounted to both the Ruger SR556, and the H&K MR556.... Still works just fine???
Peter, so you're saying that the recoil impulse of a suppressed 5.56 piston rifle is stout enough to kill a Pinnacle tube? Is that something that is specific consideration for a piston upper only, or does this apply to 5.55 DI suppressed rifles as well? I've been running a ocularly mounted pinnacle 14 on my 18" suppressed 5.56 rifle, but haven't thrown the 14 on on of my piston uppers. You're saying that this is something that should be strongly avoided?
Your running through the rain drops or you have a high Halo tube. I have seen a SCAR 16 damage a Pinnacle tube. Granted the SCAR has that huge assed bolt carrier that is slamming around in both directions. But after my experience, I am not going to risk any non RC14 on any piston upper especially suppressed.
Yes I am saying that the recoil impulse of a suppressed 5.56 piston rifle is stout enough to kill a Pinnacle tube! A DI gun with a suppressor will have an increase in recoil but you should be fine with that Especially with a rifle length gas system. Yes I would strongly avoid this.
Many thanks, this is the first that I've heard of this issue. From all the available information on my pvs-14, I was under the impression that all 5.56 was safe for use with this unit. You may have very well saved me from making a potentially expensive mistake!
On a relative scale how damaging is
.223 Bolt gun unsuppressed
.223 Bolt gun suppressed
AR suppressed
AR with adj gas block and a suppressor
.223 Bolt gun unsuppressed
.223 Bolt gun suppressed
AR suppressed
AR with adj gas block and a suppressor
Not based on felt recoil. Based on rearward acceleration. The ONLY way you can get away with putting one of these ITT's on anything other than intended is to find out what acceleration their limit is and then see if you can borrow an accelerometer from either a local college or university (physics dept. is a good place to start; they may even be interested in helping you for a class project).
Then attach the accelerometer on the weapon where it's sturdy. Use adapter mounts if need be. Fire and see if it is over what ITT specifies. If it's under, well, you're good to go. Be sure to try different rounds, a few of each.
The "5.56 only" pretty much covers the bulk of what it can be used on, but there are heavier weapons with heavy barrels that will have rear acceleration similar to or less than a 5.56 rifle.
But it has to be a good bit heavier than what an M4 would be. Maybe if you had an 18lb. rifle? I have one in 6.5G and wondered if it would take that, but no need for me to try. Still, you need to check it using that device. It's the only way to be sure.
There's another way of checking rear acceleration using a swing, but you need to know how to work the physics and math and run the experiments, and of course, you need a swing set or similar setup and makeshift platform to fire it from. Easy if you know the math, hard if you don't.
Best thing to do is to head mount that sucker and use a laser on the rifle. They work VERY well once you know how to use 'em right. I used 'em up to and past 300m with excellent precision on E and F types. If you don't like helmets, then Crye makes a soft head mount that is REALLY nice for about $100, plus a new shroud ($50?). Lasers go for a bit more, depending on what you want. I'd get a good, long range illuminator too. Hopefully one that won't drown out a .7mW laser.
Weapon mounted NODs are generally heavier duty and made for higher recoil. They usually mount in the front and are designed for use with day scopes. Costly for long range and bigger scopes, so start saving now. This is THE way to go though if you want a NV scope and day scope in one.
Good luck.
StrykerVet makes some good points.
Another arena is suppressed weapons. Most of the time it reduces felt recoil. However, one of the hardest kicking rifles I have ever shot was an AR-15 at Wilson Combat's shop with one of their cans on it. It was soo grossly over gassed that it was slamming the bcg back with a ridiculous amount of force. That kind of abrupt impact would surely be hard on a pinnacle tubed 14. A weapon sight is a little different because of the built in recoil mitigation that will vary from unit to unit.
I will say, I was really impressed with the MOD/I2 recoil hardened pvs-14. At SHC they had one mounted on a SCAR-H, which is hell on a PVS-14, and it held up like a champ.
Another arena is suppressed weapons. Most of the time it reduces felt recoil. However, one of the hardest kicking rifles I have ever shot was an AR-15 at Wilson Combat's shop with one of their cans on it. It was soo grossly over gassed that it was slamming the bcg back with a ridiculous amount of force. That kind of abrupt impact would surely be hard on a pinnacle tubed 14. A weapon sight is a little different because of the built in recoil mitigation that will vary from unit to unit.
I will say, I was really impressed with the MOD/I2 recoil hardened pvs-14. At SHC they had one mounted on a SCAR-H, which is hell on a PVS-14, and it held up like a champ.
I didn't get to shoot it on the 16's though
just the 17 I was so graciously loaned!
Ahhhh it was dark and I didn't see everyone's face LOL you should have come over and given it a go! Nicole will have video here shortly!
My face was conveniently hidden behind my two PVS-14's on my MOD/I2 dual mount. My lane was only 20 yards away but it was just too busy. I could tell you guys have done events like that before because it was set up really well. That...and I wouldn't have wanted the embarrassment of Nicole beating me in a shoot off. Nah, we will stick with the excuse of being busy.
Over 10 years ago when I first started having to pay for my PVS14 I would talk to the ITT guys and try and get them to tell me if the Pinnacle tubes were rated for shock. The first two years they didn't even acknowledge the issue, then they would not confirm it was "safe" for 223/556. At SHOT in 2003 or 2004 somebody finally said it was safe for 223/556.
Then I wanted to know about 308. NEVER got a confirmation. If I'm shelling out 2-3k on this I'm not risking a chance of it being damaged because I don't want to use a clip-on. I remember when Peter had that failure on his NODs and it was something I had been worried about for a long time.
In short don't use them on anything bigger than 5.56 if its your money
Then I wanted to know about 308. NEVER got a confirmation. If I'm shelling out 2-3k on this I'm not risking a chance of it being damaged because I don't want to use a clip-on. I remember when Peter had that failure on his NODs and it was something I had been worried about for a long time.
In short don't use them on anything bigger than 5.56 if its your money
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