Hey guys, I just bought a 5R 308 and I dont like the trigger. I am Stuck between a Timney or a Jewell, I want about a 1.5 lb trigger so what would you recommend?
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Jewell vs Timney
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Re: Jewell vs Timney
Both are great triggers. When I had to make this decision I went with the Timney. Partly because I felt the Jewell was a bit overpriced.
Both are great triggers. When I had to make this decision I went with the Timney. Partly because I felt the Jewell was a bit overpriced.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
A recent thread on the same topic:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...093#Post2677093
Oh and.... Timney all the way.
A recent thread on the same topic:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...093#Post2677093
Oh and.... Timney all the way.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I have 2 1.5lb Timneys and just ordered another. The Jewel is very nice but not worth the extra to me. I also really like the wide trigger shoe. It reminds me to pull the trigger as straight back as possible.
I have 2 1.5lb Timneys and just ordered another. The Jewel is very nice but not worth the extra to me. I also really like the wide trigger shoe. It reminds me to pull the trigger as straight back as possible.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I don't have any Jewell triggers, but I do have some Timneys. One of the cons that I found in comparing the two designs is the pull weight adjustment trigger.
If adjusting to a lighter pull weight on a Timney, you need to back out screw number 3.
Depending on which stock you are using, you may need to inlet it to allow room for the backed out weight adjustment screw. If you don't, it may prevent the action from dropping into the stock or it may seize the action if contacting the stock.
I don't see the above problem happening with a Jewell trigger. Screw number 3 is the pull weight adjustment screw.
I wish I had this knowledge before making my decision. I MAY have considered getting a Jewell instead. Here is how much I inletted the 5R stock. The top probably doesn't need to be that concave.
I don't have any Jewell triggers, but I do have some Timneys. One of the cons that I found in comparing the two designs is the pull weight adjustment trigger.
If adjusting to a lighter pull weight on a Timney, you need to back out screw number 3.
Depending on which stock you are using, you may need to inlet it to allow room for the backed out weight adjustment screw. If you don't, it may prevent the action from dropping into the stock or it may seize the action if contacting the stock.
I don't see the above problem happening with a Jewell trigger. Screw number 3 is the pull weight adjustment screw.
I wish I had this knowledge before making my decision. I MAY have considered getting a Jewell instead. Here is how much I inletted the 5R stock. The top probably doesn't need to be that concave.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
+2 for rifle basix if you change your mind ;-) great return on the investment
+2 for rifle basix if you change your mind ;-) great return on the investment
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dvsdev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If adjusting to a lighter pull weight on a Timney, you need to back out screw number 3.
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That's the old Timney too. The newer ones have the adj screws on the front, and they are in a housing like their Rem counterparts.
They also definitely need more room in the front.
I run Jewell HVR's on two rifles and a GAP tuned Rem on the third. I would like to replace it soon with a Timney as I think now that they are doing their new design they are more cost effective that the Jewell for comparable quality.
I am not fond of Rifle Basix.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dvsdev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If adjusting to a lighter pull weight on a Timney, you need to back out screw number 3.
</div></div>
That's the old Timney too. The newer ones have the adj screws on the front, and they are in a housing like their Rem counterparts.
They also definitely need more room in the front.
I run Jewell HVR's on two rifles and a GAP tuned Rem on the third. I would like to replace it soon with a Timney as I think now that they are doing their new design they are more cost effective that the Jewell for comparable quality.
I am not fond of Rifle Basix.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
We know how much you like 'em Mike.....but I gotta admit that cracked me up.
We know how much you like 'em Mike.....but I gotta admit that cracked me up.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We know how much you like 'em Mike.....but I gotta admit that cracked me up.</div></div>
(in my best Spartan voice) Are you not entertained!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We know how much you like 'em Mike.....but I gotta admit that cracked me up.</div></div>
(in my best Spartan voice) Are you not entertained!!!
Re: Jewell vs Timney
when i was looking into this, I heard that jewell was more for target rifles, whre the timney and shilen were suited for field work too
however, alot of ppl talked down to the timney, so I decided to go with a shilen trigger
I ahven't had a chance to feel it though, it's at the gunsmith right now, he's blueprinting the rifle
when i was looking into this, I heard that jewell was more for target rifles, whre the timney and shilen were suited for field work too
however, alot of ppl talked down to the timney, so I decided to go with a shilen trigger
I ahven't had a chance to feel it though, it's at the gunsmith right now, he's blueprinting the rifle
Re: Jewell vs Timney
^^ Is your first name Jethro???
Back to the topic on hand, I have a Jewell on the 6.5-284 and thinking about getting the Timney for my 6AI...
^^ Is your first name Jethro???
Back to the topic on hand, I have a Jewell on the 6.5-284 and thinking about getting the Timney for my 6AI...
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^ Is your first name Jethro???
Back to the topic on hand, I have a Jewell on the 6.5-284 and thinking about getting the Timney for my 6AI... </div></div>
Get that all the time. No its not. My older brother Jeff really gets it!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^ Is your first name Jethro???
Back to the topic on hand, I have a Jewell on the 6.5-284 and thinking about getting the Timney for my 6AI... </div></div>
Get that all the time. No its not. My older brother Jeff really gets it!
Re: Jewell vs Timney
The Jewell is a great trigger, probably one of the best made, but it's ill-suited to field use. The Jewell failed the field test conducted by the FBI a few years ago. All it took to disable the trigger was to allow salt mist to dry and crystalize in the mechanism. The minute salt particles kept the trigger from working. This doesn't mean that it's not a good trigger in a sterile environment, but I will not install them in a rifle intended for field/hunting use.
All of the parts in the Timney are machined/EDM'd from high grade steel and it's very difficult to render it unusable with particulate matter. It's one of the cleanest breaking triggers I've ever used.
The Rifle Basix? Not so much. They use cast parts and it's one of the rattliest triggers I've ever seen.
I don't have any practical experience with the Shilen, but I can say that the Timney is the best I've ever used, which is why they make the UGSW (BlackOps) trigger (510-U).
The Jewell is a great trigger, probably one of the best made, but it's ill-suited to field use. The Jewell failed the field test conducted by the FBI a few years ago. All it took to disable the trigger was to allow salt mist to dry and crystalize in the mechanism. The minute salt particles kept the trigger from working. This doesn't mean that it's not a good trigger in a sterile environment, but I will not install them in a rifle intended for field/hunting use.
All of the parts in the Timney are machined/EDM'd from high grade steel and it's very difficult to render it unusable with particulate matter. It's one of the cleanest breaking triggers I've ever used.
The Rifle Basix? Not so much. They use cast parts and it's one of the rattliest triggers I've ever seen.
I don't have any practical experience with the Shilen, but I can say that the Timney is the best I've ever used, which is why they make the UGSW (BlackOps) trigger (510-U).
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I have both, Would rate them at
CG-1
Jewell-3
Rifle Basix-2
Factory (old style tuned)-a few
Timney-1
I know 3 are those aren't on your list but there it is. The only downside I have found on the jewell is the actual trigger width. I like the Basix a bit more because of this.
I have both, Would rate them at
CG-1
Jewell-3
Rifle Basix-2
Factory (old style tuned)-a few
Timney-1
I know 3 are those aren't on your list but there it is. The only downside I have found on the jewell is the actual trigger width. I like the Basix a bit more because of this.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jewell is a great trigger, probably one of the best made, but it's ill-suited to field use. The Jewell failed the field test conducted by the FBI a few years ago. All it took to disable the trigger was to allow salt mist to dry and crystalize in the mechanism. The minute salt particles kept the trigger from working. This doesn't mean that it's not a good trigger in a sterile environment, but I will not install them in a rifle intended for field/hunting use.
All of the parts in the Timney are machined/EDM'd from high grade steel and it's very difficult to render it unusable with particulate matter. It's one of the cleanest breaking triggers I've ever used.
The Rifle Basix? Not so much. They use cast parts and it's one of the rattliest triggers I've ever seen.
I don't have any practical experience with the Shilen, but I can say that the Timney is the best I've ever used, which is why they make the UGSW (BlackOps) trigger (510-U). </div></div>
Anyone that has ever hunted or lived in the southwest can attest, it is anything but "Sterile". Where I live, the red dirt dust is an ever prevalent part of life. My three Jewell triggers live and function flawlessly in this environment. I guess if some unexplained salt fog ever moves through, I might be in trouble. Not holding my breath.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jewell is a great trigger, probably one of the best made, but it's ill-suited to field use. The Jewell failed the field test conducted by the FBI a few years ago. All it took to disable the trigger was to allow salt mist to dry and crystalize in the mechanism. The minute salt particles kept the trigger from working. This doesn't mean that it's not a good trigger in a sterile environment, but I will not install them in a rifle intended for field/hunting use.
All of the parts in the Timney are machined/EDM'd from high grade steel and it's very difficult to render it unusable with particulate matter. It's one of the cleanest breaking triggers I've ever used.
The Rifle Basix? Not so much. They use cast parts and it's one of the rattliest triggers I've ever seen.
I don't have any practical experience with the Shilen, but I can say that the Timney is the best I've ever used, which is why they make the UGSW (BlackOps) trigger (510-U). </div></div>
Anyone that has ever hunted or lived in the southwest can attest, it is anything but "Sterile". Where I live, the red dirt dust is an ever prevalent part of life. My three Jewell triggers live and function flawlessly in this environment. I guess if some unexplained salt fog ever moves through, I might be in trouble. Not holding my breath.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J. Tull</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jewell is a great trigger, probably one of the best made, but it's ill-suited to field use. The Jewell failed the field test conducted by the FBI a few years ago. All it took to disable the trigger was to allow salt mist to dry and crystalize in the mechanism. The minute salt particles kept the trigger from working. This doesn't mean that it's not a good trigger in a sterile environment, but I will not install them in a rifle intended for field/hunting use.
All of the parts in the Timney are machined/EDM'd from high grade steel and it's very difficult to render it unusable with particulate matter. It's one of the cleanest breaking triggers I've ever used.
The Rifle Basix? Not so much. They use cast parts and it's one of the rattliest triggers I've ever seen.
I don't have any practical experience with the Shilen, but I can say that the Timney is the best I've ever used, which is why they make the UGSW (BlackOps) trigger (510-U). </div></div>
Anyone that has ever hunted or lived in the southwest can attest, it is anything but "Sterile". Where I live, the red dirt dust is an ever prevalent part of life. My three Jewell triggers live and function flawlessly in this environment. I guess if some unexplained salt fog ever moves through, I might be in trouble. Not holding my breath. </div></div>
I lived in AZ for five years. I ran Jewell triggers in the field in AZ....They failed in the field in AZ. I believe AZ is considered a part of the Southwest.
The point of the salt mist test was multi-faceted and doesn't mean anyone should plan on a salt fog moving through....To simplify my point, the test illustrates how easy it is to disable the trigger with minute particles.
There were triggers that passed the test and triggers that failed the test. The Jewell trigger failed the test. I'm sure lots of people use Jewell triggers that have never seen them fail regardless of where they live....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J. Tull</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jewell is a great trigger, probably one of the best made, but it's ill-suited to field use. The Jewell failed the field test conducted by the FBI a few years ago. All it took to disable the trigger was to allow salt mist to dry and crystalize in the mechanism. The minute salt particles kept the trigger from working. This doesn't mean that it's not a good trigger in a sterile environment, but I will not install them in a rifle intended for field/hunting use.
All of the parts in the Timney are machined/EDM'd from high grade steel and it's very difficult to render it unusable with particulate matter. It's one of the cleanest breaking triggers I've ever used.
The Rifle Basix? Not so much. They use cast parts and it's one of the rattliest triggers I've ever seen.
I don't have any practical experience with the Shilen, but I can say that the Timney is the best I've ever used, which is why they make the UGSW (BlackOps) trigger (510-U). </div></div>
Anyone that has ever hunted or lived in the southwest can attest, it is anything but "Sterile". Where I live, the red dirt dust is an ever prevalent part of life. My three Jewell triggers live and function flawlessly in this environment. I guess if some unexplained salt fog ever moves through, I might be in trouble. Not holding my breath. </div></div>
I lived in AZ for five years. I ran Jewell triggers in the field in AZ....They failed in the field in AZ. I believe AZ is considered a part of the Southwest.
The point of the salt mist test was multi-faceted and doesn't mean anyone should plan on a salt fog moving through....To simplify my point, the test illustrates how easy it is to disable the trigger with minute particles.
There were triggers that passed the test and triggers that failed the test. The Jewell trigger failed the test. I'm sure lots of people use Jewell triggers that have never seen them fail regardless of where they live....
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^ Is your first name Jethro???
Back to the topic on hand, I have a Jewell on the 6.5-284 and thinking about getting the Timney for my 6AI... </div></div>
The Jewells I have are Jewells I have. I won't be replacing them unless necessary, but future triggers I buy will be Timneys. The Timney R700s being made now are just as good feeling and safety wise, at half the price.
The only thing I don't like about the Timney is the width, factory or skinnnier for me. UGSW/blackOps triggers are the best setup I've seen yet, both in blade width and the other little tricks they have Timney do for them.
Mike, I'm always entertained
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^ Is your first name Jethro???
Back to the topic on hand, I have a Jewell on the 6.5-284 and thinking about getting the Timney for my 6AI... </div></div>
The Jewells I have are Jewells I have. I won't be replacing them unless necessary, but future triggers I buy will be Timneys. The Timney R700s being made now are just as good feeling and safety wise, at half the price.
The only thing I don't like about the Timney is the width, factory or skinnnier for me. UGSW/blackOps triggers are the best setup I've seen yet, both in blade width and the other little tricks they have Timney do for them.
Mike, I'm always entertained
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I have 3 Defiance actions and only use what Glen Harrison(owner of Defiance)recommended. Jewell triggers
Field test on Jewell's? My Jewell was covered in snow last November while hunting SK, and performed flawless last month in Africa.
Yap, no problem ever with the Jewell's.
Word is....Defiance is coming out with there own trigger! Looking forward to that.
I have 3 Defiance actions and only use what Glen Harrison(owner of Defiance)recommended. Jewell triggers
Field test on Jewell's? My Jewell was covered in snow last November while hunting SK, and performed flawless last month in Africa.
Yap, no problem ever with the Jewell's.
Word is....Defiance is coming out with there own trigger! Looking forward to that.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I don't have any Jewell experience but do like the Timney that Mike slips into his builds. Very nice set-up, consistant feel and I love the wide shoe.
I don't have any Jewell experience but do like the Timney that Mike slips into his builds. Very nice set-up, consistant feel and I love the wide shoe.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
AS long as you keep the Jewell reasonably clean, they will suit MOST of our needs. I have Timney's and Jewells. If you follow Jewells directions, you will be hard pressed to find a better feeling trigger for most applications.
AS long as you keep the Jewell reasonably clean, they will suit MOST of our needs. I have Timney's and Jewells. If you follow Jewells directions, you will be hard pressed to find a better feeling trigger for most applications.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
So for those that consider the Jewell to be a superior trigger, I have one question. Why?
Can you really tell the difference between a Jewell set to 1.5 pounds, and a Timney set to 1.5 pounds? If neither has any discernible creep, and they both break cleanly, what exactly is it that makes the Jewell better?
So for those that consider the Jewell to be a superior trigger, I have one question. Why?
Can you really tell the difference between a Jewell set to 1.5 pounds, and a Timney set to 1.5 pounds? If neither has any discernible creep, and they both break cleanly, what exactly is it that makes the Jewell better?
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I currently have 3 Timneys, 2 Jewels and 1 Jard trigger on my rifles. The best breaking triggers are the Jewels followed by the Jard. The most robust and field reliable are the Timneys, the Jewels have proven problematic in dirt/sand environments and the Jard you can just forget about on a field rifle.
No way in hell I would run a field rifle with the trigger set less than 2 lbs. My Jard is set at 4oz, bench gun only..
I currently have 3 Timneys, 2 Jewels and 1 Jard trigger on my rifles. The best breaking triggers are the Jewels followed by the Jard. The most robust and field reliable are the Timneys, the Jewels have proven problematic in dirt/sand environments and the Jard you can just forget about on a field rifle.
No way in hell I would run a field rifle with the trigger set less than 2 lbs. My Jard is set at 4oz, bench gun only..
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I don't have xp with both, but I love the Timney I've had one on my rem 30.06 for 15+years. It's been beat to death on snowmachines and fourwheelers during my years in Alaska and hasn't skipped a beat. I've hunted with this trigger in -20F to 75F and it's been flawless. I don't know how a trigger could be better. With that said, I have a TRG22 on the way and folks say their trigger is the best hands down. I hope it's as reliable and as good as my Timney has proven to be.
I've heard the Jewell triggers are less forgiving with dirt/sand etc..
I don't have xp with both, but I love the Timney I've had one on my rem 30.06 for 15+years. It's been beat to death on snowmachines and fourwheelers during my years in Alaska and hasn't skipped a beat. I've hunted with this trigger in -20F to 75F and it's been flawless. I don't know how a trigger could be better. With that said, I have a TRG22 on the way and folks say their trigger is the best hands down. I hope it's as reliable and as good as my Timney has proven to be.
I've heard the Jewell triggers are less forgiving with dirt/sand etc..
Re: Jewell vs Timney
Jewell, but that is just me. I never had a timney. If I had a timney I dont know. I hear great on both. My remington custom 308 has a jewell set at 8oz.
Jewell, but that is just me. I never had a timney. If I had a timney I dont know. I hear great on both. My remington custom 308 has a jewell set at 8oz.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zeme05</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What it the cheapest, I mean most economical place to get the Timney? </div></div>
Not 100% sure, but I would say Midway.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zeme05</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What it the cheapest, I mean most economical place to get the Timney? </div></div>
Not 100% sure, but I would say Midway.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So for those that consider the Jewell to be a superior trigger, I have one question. Why?
Can you really tell the difference between a Jewell set to 1.5 pounds, and a Timney set to 1.5 pounds? If neither has any discernible creep, and they both break cleanly, what exactly is it that makes the Jewell better?
</div></div>
It makes you "cool" to have a Jewell trigger.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So for those that consider the Jewell to be a superior trigger, I have one question. Why?
Can you really tell the difference between a Jewell set to 1.5 pounds, and a Timney set to 1.5 pounds? If neither has any discernible creep, and they both break cleanly, what exactly is it that makes the Jewell better?
</div></div>
It makes you "cool" to have a Jewell trigger.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scott1119</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks guys, I think im going to give the Timney a try </div></div>
So how do you like the timney? After reading all these posts, I have come to the conclussion that Timney VS Jewel is just like Ford VS Chevy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scott1119</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks guys, I think im going to give the Timney a try </div></div>
So how do you like the timney? After reading all these posts, I have come to the conclussion that Timney VS Jewel is just like Ford VS Chevy.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would use a stick tied to the sear before I would use a Jewel trigger.
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why?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would use a stick tied to the sear before I would use a Jewel trigger.
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why?
Re: Jewell vs Timney
If you order a Timney factory direct, it will come with the trigger pull weight adjusted to whatever your preference is and you have the option to get one nickel plated as well. Mine arrived within 1.5 days of ordering.
If you order a Timney factory direct, it will come with the trigger pull weight adjusted to whatever your preference is and you have the option to get one nickel plated as well. Mine arrived within 1.5 days of ordering.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
The Jewell is a heck of a trigger and is very consistant.
That being said, I would take the timney every day of the week
The Jewell is a heck of a trigger and is very consistant.
That being said, I would take the timney every day of the week
Re: Jewell vs Timney
my next purchase will be a jewel. I've been told they have a faster lock time when compared to the others as well, definitely something to consider when all-out accuracy is concerned. Granted, it may not be much, but every little bit helps.
my next purchase will be a jewel. I've been told they have a faster lock time when compared to the others as well, definitely something to consider when all-out accuracy is concerned. Granted, it may not be much, but every little bit helps.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
I have two Jewells and like them alot. However, I also don't go slopping through mud, water and dust all the time either. I have hunted with them on many occasions down near a pound, and have never felt uncomfortable with them.
That said, I have a Rifle Basix on a Model 7 and it's an okay setup. I like the narrower Jewell better, but the Rifle Basix does the job. Adjusting the pull on the RB is a little more difficult, it's tricky to get the weight you want, proper sear engagement and the over travel set. But, it can be done safely if you take your time.
I also wouldn't hesitate to use a Timney. The Timney equiped rifles that I've shot have worked well too. Like I said above, I like the narrower Jewell's better, but there's nothing wrong at all with a Timney.
I have two Jewells and like them alot. However, I also don't go slopping through mud, water and dust all the time either. I have hunted with them on many occasions down near a pound, and have never felt uncomfortable with them.
That said, I have a Rifle Basix on a Model 7 and it's an okay setup. I like the narrower Jewell better, but the Rifle Basix does the job. Adjusting the pull on the RB is a little more difficult, it's tricky to get the weight you want, proper sear engagement and the over travel set. But, it can be done safely if you take your time.
I also wouldn't hesitate to use a Timney. The Timney equiped rifles that I've shot have worked well too. Like I said above, I like the narrower Jewell's better, but there's nothing wrong at all with a Timney.
Re: Jewell vs Timney
Timney and Jewell both make multiple models with options...which models are you looking at and what is your intention for the rifle. If it were a benchrest gun...Jewell all the way. If it were a hunting/steel target rifle then I would think you could get the job done with the Timney for less money.
The devil is in the details.
Timney and Jewell both make multiple models with options...which models are you looking at and what is your intention for the rifle. If it were a benchrest gun...Jewell all the way. If it were a hunting/steel target rifle then I would think you could get the job done with the Timney for less money.
The devil is in the details.
