Interesting, makes the LPR unnecessary for me if I can get that accuracy from a more compact package
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Interesting, makes the LPR unnecessary for me if I can get that accuracy from a more compact package
Just note that the lighter weight uppers are harder to shoot, they tend to hop around a bit more on the bench. It took me two 6x5's till I got a hang of it.
Makes sense, thanks for the input! This will steer me away from the LPR and into a regular sr15 since it can perform with that accuracy
... I never minded the LRP-07 looks esp. with a full length rail. Different stokes I guess, but the forearms on JPs is probably what is not as aesthetically pleasing.. The side charger on them feels like its on ball bearings. My lrp-07 shot just like this one from another member:
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The only KAC I have fired was the M110 of RWBradshaws and though it was a head turner definitely could not match the lrp-07 as far as accuracy. I always thought of KAC rifles for their nostalgia then their accuracy claims. Ive always been a huge fan of their ambi-selector and trigger guards though HA!
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The only KAC I have fired was the M110 of RWBradshaws and though it was a head turner definitely could not match the lrp-07 as far as accuracy. I always thought of KAC rifles for their nostalgia then their accuracy claims. Ive always been a huge fan of their ambi-selector and trigger guards though HA!
BIG thanks to Bigjake83 for bringing the entertainment with this thread. Sure was good for a Monday.
Since this thread seems to be turning around....
I have never shot a 6x5 with my ACC. This was the last target I shot at 100y for groups with a magnified optic greater than 6x...the lower left was the first three out of a clean/oiled bore.
This seemed very good for a lightweight, chrome lined barrel and an 8lb gun with collapsible stock. I am sure a real 6x5 would be more like 1-1.5 moa, which I would also be happy with out of a battle rifle.
EDIT: The POI are different as this was during the zero process.
I also had a 14.5" SR15 that shot (I thought, anyway) exceptionally well for its barrel type, profile, and weight.
What I really like about the ACC are that it is a heavy carbine that handles like a 5.56, can be pressed into DMR type work, and runs great suppressed/unsuppressed on everything without needing any adjustable gas blocks, buffer swaps or other stuff. I have had a lot of large frame guns, been around more, and it's really the only one I could say all those things about.
I have never shot a 6x5 with my ACC. This was the last target I shot at 100y for groups with a magnified optic greater than 6x...the lower left was the first three out of a clean/oiled bore.
This seemed very good for a lightweight, chrome lined barrel and an 8lb gun with collapsible stock. I am sure a real 6x5 would be more like 1-1.5 moa, which I would also be happy with out of a battle rifle.
EDIT: The POI are different as this was during the zero process.
I also had a 14.5" SR15 that shot (I thought, anyway) exceptionally well for its barrel type, profile, and weight.
What I really like about the ACC are that it is a heavy carbine that handles like a 5.56, can be pressed into DMR type work, and runs great suppressed/unsuppressed on everything without needing any adjustable gas blocks, buffer swaps or other stuff. I have had a lot of large frame guns, been around more, and it's really the only one I could say all those things about.
I picked up a Mod2 16" and am really happy with it-probably my main light rig. I've always preferred 14.5"and about 2 weeks later Operation Parts puts one up for sale at a good price.
My Mod2 LPR kicks ass no regrets there.
Disagree completely.
Mod 2 LPR = Best LPR
Mod 1 16” or 14.5” with dimpled barrel are titties
Strange, I like titties.Disagree completely.
Mod 2 LPR = Best LPR
Mod 1 16” or 14.5” with dimpled barrel are titties
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sure could use $100 bucks! 
the SR25's never did that great in the 6x5 comps.. was pretty rare to see any .308 plus AR semi auto anything dip below 1.0moa especially without reloads..
the SR25's never did that great in the 6x5 comps.. was pretty rare to see any .308 plus AR semi auto anything dip below 1.0moa especially without reloads..
sure could use $100 bucks!
the SR25's never did that great in the 6x5 comps.. was pretty rare to see any .308 plus AR semi auto anything dip below 1.0moa especially without reloads..
How you doing brother? haven't seen you around here in a while.
not an AR, but a scar 20s loves fgmm 168gr or 175gr and can achieve sub moa in proper hands. (probably because it is designed to shoot the SMK).sure could use $100 bucks!
the SR25's never did that great in the 6x5 comps.. was pretty rare to see any .308 plus AR semi auto anything dip below 1.0moa especially without reloads..
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Wilson Combat Super Snipers all day are under 1” well under an inch at that in .308
I figured I would see that here! Old girl is just happy to be off the wall but why no groups?Fuck it, let's do it with irons.
Bitch is starving. She hasn't been fed in 10 years.
I love and live with my KAC 556, I bought a sr 25 sold as a battle ready rifle,only problem it would only run match grade ammo, I sold it. I would put a $1000 bet any day that any one of my Larue guns will out shoot a sr 25. Hell my 1978 HK 91 cycle any ammo and shoots as good as my sr25 did. I love my knighys sr15 I understand what the did and truly have the utmost respect for them,but don't sell me a battle rifle that you cant pick ammo up off the battle field and fire.i don't give a shit if its $4it's all good shit cost $ .I expect it to at least perform. Oh if my life depended on DD I would be dead, gas key bolts broke off under 6000 rounds, i shipped it back in a KAC bcg box. Yes they replaced it but wtf. DD v11 pro upper for sale.
Pretty darn good my friend. Same old same old. Living life to its fullest making a couple videos here and there and working full-time
Definitely not saying the above firearms can't produce sub moa results, just for a 6x5 it was rare to see it. My good old 20" CL LMT MWS 308 best 6x5 averaged in the low .7's with tuned reloads
making a couple videos here and there and working full-time Definitely not saying the above firearms can't produce sub moa results, just for a 6x5 it was rare to see it. My good old 20" CL LMT MWS 308 best 6x5 averaged in the low .7's with tuned reloads
right on.
if i was going to get anything else in this class, if would be your 20" LMT MWS.
i think some folks are surprised at how accurate a military grade chrome lined barrel can be on the right platform with the right ammo (and shooter).
i suspect the harmonics or accuracy of the 20S was reversed engineered, designing the barrel around the M118LR, with a short jump that works great with the SMK and the bull barrel on the 20 makes the harmonics less sensitive. might not be super fine tuned like the load for your MWS, but close enough for killin.
anyway, supposedly FN won't ship them unless they are sub moa, so if i couldn't shoot sub moa with the scar, i would have to assume it was me.
if i can shoot <0.7 with factory ammo (probably just lucky), somebody else can probably shoot sub moa 6 times in a row.
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Curious,
What SR25 did you have? Did you reach out to KAC with your issues?
I agree with you that most mil type guns should be able to run most Nato ammo
No I did not call Knights, I figured if I where dead what good would a phone call do.
That’s why you buy one. You get to have fun and gain value over time (as long as you don’t beat the shit out of it)
You mean use them like everyone in this thread says you're supposed to use them but never does?
I’ve always laughed at the ‘throw it down the driveway crowd’. I guess if SHTF, it’s the gun to grab though...
lol
my scar 20s is one of the first 200 "limited edition" or whatever.
a lot of people were asking if i was gonna shoot it.
hell yeah!
i don't intend to sell it (or any of my guns) so i don't really give a fuck what it is worth if i sell it.
same with my home. i don't worry about home prices as long as i can pay my mortgage.
it makes me look like i know how to shoot.
very soft for a .308 because of the weight, but especially with the surefire brake i have on it.
the flash hider that came on it is illegal where i live.
i am going to get a 6.5CM barrel when they are available.
they were supposed to be out by summer, but i don't know how much the china virus might have changed anything.
What does this even mean? You have large frame KDS real bad-like upper boundary limit bad.
Do it please, I am going to do it with my Armalite as soon as the weather cooperates. Its always raining when on my off days and the targets would like toilet paper.
Yeah I must say I'm disappointed in the German's response I expect better from him.
So at the end of a 4-page thread what I am getting out of this is that KAC's are worth $5k because they have good reliability they make for an excellent desert workout accessory, and basically accuracy isn't really that important as long as I think my gun will keep working.
I'm sorry guys I should have known, when it comes to shooting accuracy is overrated. I mean it's not like actually hitting your target is that important right?
KAC SR25 owner's worst nightmare...
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@bigjake83 At 1:50, you can see my brother using his issued SR25 to whack an insurgent in Fallujah. He killed a lot of them there, loved his SR25.
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I have all 3 lengths. The 14.5 inch is the best do all length. My 16" wears a suppressor and long range scope.May have found a sr15 14.5” and 16”. Is the 14.5” that much better vs the 16”? Give me the final push to which one I’m gonna purchase
May have found a sr15 14.5” and 16”. Is the 14.5” that much better vs the 16”? Give me the final push to which one I’m gonna purchase
<-- Mod2 14 + 16
They run the same, the 14 is a little lighter and more compact. As you can imagine the swing on the 14 is a little faster. Both will get you lots of hits at 600 and in with a 4x optic.
I think the 14 is great general 'getter'. Keep it light. Run a little WL (like a SF X300). If you pull the front sight and run a reasonable length 4x variable, you can still fit a pvs30 on the front end and a DBAL on the short rail that can accommodate that X300. Add a sling. Call it good.
A good way to get a 14.5 p/w would be by buying a factory 16" SR15 along with a separate 14.5" upper. Sent the 14.5 off to be pinned and welded, and then removed/sold the 16" upper. Being a factory KAC upper half in like new condition, you would lose next to nothing selling your 16" upper.
I have no aversion to stamps, but seeming to always live within a few miles of state borders, I will take a pinned and welded 14.5 over a 14.5 SBR every time.
Anyone ever deal with “Kelly enterprises”? He has this KAC 14.5 “pistol”. Figured once I get it, get the upper welded, then put a stock on it to make it a rifle
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Are people really bragging about 100 yard targets and small groups? I feel like those are the same people who own Subaru WRXs and brag about beating you across the intersection, but lose at anything over 60 mph because they suck and realize that's all they can win at.
How about the videos of 20 out of 20 hits at 1,000m ? I know I have plenty of 308 guns that have done it, and my SR25 PC and PR will be here in a week or two, I will see if they can do it as well.
Oh, and Scars Rule.
How about the videos of 20 out of 20 hits at 1,000m ? I know I have plenty of 308 guns that have done it, and my SR25 PC and PR will be here in a week or two, I will see if they can do it as well.
Oh, and Scars Rule.
I used to do accuracy and final shooter QC as an independent contractor for a particular rifle manufacturer most here would recognize. I preferred to be independent because that would allow me to call out any problems I found without worrying about employment, and them still being held to the contractual arrangement.
At that time, the company used a lot of LW barrels, as well as Krieger barrels.
Many of the LW pipes would either need to be tested over and over until we could get a good 3 round group, or they would be rejected because we couldn't get a test target to ship with the rifle that met the standard.
Almost all of the Krieger barrels would crush it out of the gate, easy initial grouping, box it up and send it off. Some I would have to re-test.
I was going back and forth overseas at the time working with coalition sniping community partners in Europe, and the topic of LW barrels came up.
One guy owned his own firearms retail business there, and said basically what he heard at IWA (the European SHOT show) from LW was that they keep all their pipes that pass their German standard QC processes for the European market, and send the reject barrel blanks to the US "because stupid Yankees don't deserve the best they have to offer, can't shoot anyway".
The accuracy problems were not as bad with .308 bores though, so a lot of those shot just fine. In the 6mm bores and .338 LM, we had a lot that just wouldn't shoot. There was one particular customer that ordered a .243 Winchester initial barrel that would put 4 rounds into a bug hole, then always throw the 5th at 1.7" at 100yds. It was vexing, and repeatable no matter the shooter.
I don't recall if I ever got a .338 LM to shoot into the standard out of the gate with LW pipes. Maybe half of them would shoot 3rd groups after some breaking-in.
BTW, all the test ammo we were using was Lapua coming in on pallets in ammo cans. It was crazy burning through .338 LM just to do 100yd accuracy testing, sending nearby shooters packing after I politely warned them that they probably didn't want to shoot next to me at the range with that big muzzle break and .338LM or some of the .300 WM barreled-rifles.
The LW pipes I've used that were sourced within Europe were very accurate, including the 6.5mm and .338 LM ones. A good friend of mine had a custom LW pipe made for his rifle to shoot the GS Customs really long bullet, and we were punching chunks out of side plates from APCs at considerable distance.
Same with .260 Rem and 6.5x47 Lapua rifles. Anyway, this is what I think of when I see LW pipes and accuracy mentioned.
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