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Has anyone had the chance to do a direct comparison between these two?
Normally I stick with my NF's or S&B's, but I really wanted to try the MSR reticle so the NF was out.
I currently own the Steiner 25x MSR, SnB P4F, Premier MTC Gen 2xr, and now just got my Kahles 24x Mil4 mounted and zeroed yesterday. I have a weak spot for high end optics you could say.
The Steiner is fantastic, tracks great, nice glass on par with the others, the MSR tho is a little thick on the high end of magnification, as well there are a few imperfections on the reticle itself. I like the Steiner eye box and relief little more than the Kahles. Overall I waffle with the P4f being my favorite reticle but not a fan of the tunneling that happens on the hi magnification with the SnB. One of the peeves with me about the Steiner as well is the turrets are a little mushy or not as crisp as the Premier, SnB, or Kahles, but they are not bad either. My picks would go in this order.
1. Premier 25x Gen2XR, best glass, and turrets IMHO
2. Kahles 24 Mil4, very nice glass, good turrets
3. SnB P4f, solid as a fucking german panzer
4. Steiner MSR, great glass, nice eye box and relief. held back by thick reticle at high mag.
But its really splitting hairs as all these optics are solid, and great in their own way. You can't loose in other words. Are these better than NF or Leupold? Well I have not seen the Beast or Mark 8 but my experience with the F1 and Mark4 is that they all have slightly better glass.
The S&B 5-25 PMII tunnels at low mag, approx. 5-8x not high mag as you suggest. Actually the Steiner does the same but only initially from 5-5.5x, maybe less.
I own both the Steiner and the Schmidt. I don't yet own a Kahles k624 however I would not hesitate to buy a Kahles based on my experiences with their hunting scopes.
I currently own the Steiner 25x MSR, SnB P4F, Premier MTC Gen 2xr, and now just got my Kahles 24x Mil4 mounted and zeroed yesterday. I have a weak spot for high end optics you could say.
The Steiner is fantastic, tracks great, nice glass on par with the others, the MSR tho is a little thick on the high end of magnification, as well there are a few imperfections on the reticle itself. I like the Steiner eye box and relief little more than the Kahles. Overall I waffle with the P4f being my favorite reticle but not a fan of the tunneling that happens on the hi magnification with the SnB. One of the peeves with me about the Steiner as well is the turrets are a little mushy or not as crisp as the Premier, SnB, or Kahles, but they are not bad either. My picks would go in this order.
1. Premier 25x Gen2XR, best glass, and turrets IMHO
2. Kahles 24 Mil4, very nice glass, good turrets
3. SnB P4f, solid as a fucking german panzer
4. Steiner MSR, great glass, nice eye box and relief. held back by thick reticle at high mag.
But its really splitting hairs as all these optics are solid, and great in their own way. You can't loose in other words. Are these better than NF or Leupold? Well I have not seen the Beast or Mark 8 but my experience with the F1 and Mark4 is that they all have slightly better glass.
How long have you had your Steiner?
In another thread here on the Hide, a rep for Steiner wrote that you can send your scope to CO and they will upgrade the turrets to the new (less mushy) spec for free.
I have a 5-25 that's only a few months old and the turrets feel similar to the SuB PMII I used to own, to the best of my recollection.
Joe
What! Oh, if thats the case then thats awesome. Do you have that contact info?
My turrets are a little mushy, I have had it for about a year, got it from sport optics. I did get a nice pair of binos with the scope, really hard deal to pass up.
We are working on giving you guys the ability to have the turrets refitted with the new clicker system that is in the current scopes. We don't have it in place just yet but we are getting there.
We are working on giving you guys the ability to have the turrets refitted with the new clicker system that is in the current scopes. We don't have it in place just yet but we are getting there.
I ended up back with the S&B's.
If my financial situation were different I might have keep the Steiner or Khales but at the end of the day I wanted S&B's so thats what won over.
I am very close to making this decision between the Khales, S&B, Premier and Steiner. The only thing holding me back from a Steiner is the mushy turret issue. Any updates on the more tactile click turrets?
If that's the case, it sounds like a tough scope to beat. It sounds like as long as I don't compare the glass next to a S&B, I'll never notice a difference!
They are both nice scopes. I prefer the Kahles myself. We sell both scopes so if we can be of help let me know.
Mike @ CSTACTICAL