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      "widget.xfrm_overview_top_authors" => ""
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Korea: More rhetoric or will it be "go time?"

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This isn't really political, so I hope it doesn't get banned.

What's the backstory on the Korean situation? Anybody here get the sense that the South has had enough and is ready to break out the 55-gal drum of Ass Whoop on those punks up in NK?
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boltstop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This isn't really political, so I hope it doesn't get banned.

What's the backstory on the Korean situation? Anybody here get the sense that the South has had enough and is ready to break out the 55-gal drum of Ass Whoop on those punks up in NK? </div></div>

I don't think the south is going to do anything, they are bridled by the U.S.

China is the one with all the power in this situation. Plus I don't think we have the balls to do anything anyway. We are extended on all fronts fighting pointless wars so this would be the perfect time for N. Korea to kick some ass. Plus they've got the nuke and aren't afraid to use it, but they wont. This is just typical posturing by N.K.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

What Shot said.

Were over extended and n. Korea and china know it. we won't be doing anything anytime soon.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boltstop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This isn't really political, so I hope it doesn't get banned.

What's the backstory on the Korean situation? Anybody here get the sense that the South has had enough and is ready to break out the 55-gal drum of Ass Whoop on those punks up in NK? </div></div>

I don't think the south is going to do anything, they are bridled by the U.S.

China is the one with all the power in this situation. Plus I don't think we have the balls to do anything anyway. <span style="color: #FF0000">We are extended on all fronts fighting pointless wars so this </span>would be the perfect time for N. Korea to kick some ass. Plus they've got the nuke and aren't afraid to use it, but they wont. This is just typical posturing by N.K. </div></div>


What do you mean by that ?Surely you are there for a reason of gain
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boltstop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This isn't really political, so I hope it doesn't get banned.

What's the backstory on the Korean situation? Anybody here get the sense that the South has had enough and is ready to break out the 55-gal drum of Ass Whoop on those punks up in NK? </div></div>

I don't think the south is going to do anything, they are bridled by the U.S.

China is the one with all the power in this situation. Plus I don't think we have the balls to do anything anyway. <span style="color: #FF0000">We are extended on all fronts fighting pointless wars so this </span>would be the perfect time for N. Korea to kick some ass. Plus they've got the nuke and aren't afraid to use it, but they wont. This is just typical posturing by N.K. </div></div>


What do you mean by that ?Surely you are there for a reason of gain </div></div>

Oh, I'm sure we are fighting two pointless wars for gain but I think the gain we're talking about is a monetary gain in the pockets of some prick. In essence, guys like me are sent over there to die so that we can line some asshole's pocket. I say it all the time, we haven't fought a war worth my or any military member's lives since WWII.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boltstop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This isn't really political, so I hope it doesn't get banned.

What's the backstory on the Korean situation? Anybody here get the sense that the South has had enough and is ready to break out the 55-gal drum of Ass Whoop on those punks up in NK? </div></div>

I don't think the south is going to do anything, they are bridled by the U.S.

China is the one with all the power in this situation. Plus I don't think we have the balls to do anything anyway. <span style="color: #FF0000">We are extended on all fronts fighting pointless wars so this </span>would be the perfect time for N. Korea to kick some ass. Plus they've got the nuke and aren't afraid to use it, but they wont. This is just typical posturing by N.K. </div></div>


What do you mean by that ?Surely you are there for a reason of gain </div></div>

Oh, I'm sure we are fighting two pointless wars for gain but I think the gain we're talking about is a monetary gain in the pockets of some prick. In essence, guys like me are sent over there to die so that we can line some asshole's pocket. I say it all the time, we haven't fought a war worth my or any military member's lives since WWII. </div></div>

Big Respect to you Shot in the dark! -your honesty is appreciated and your work is to be admired -god bless
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

This is closer to the boiling point than it has been in years. Most important fact is China's hand has been forced to publicly deal with North Korea, and they have said they are tired of them acting like a spoiled brat. Hey, its something anyway. South Korea isn't afraid of them and won't be pushed around anymore, especially since North Korea is pretty much on their own. I for one would like to see an end to this shit if there is an end to be seen. It has been going on for WAY too long.

Kelly
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

What you always have to remember about the Korean peninsula is that geopolitical considerations factor into every discussion and decision. Just like the Korean War wasn't about the unification of the Korean peninsula per se, the present day issues aren't about the two countries either. I've spent a lot of time in and around Korea, and one thing always stands out: there are more hands in the pot than you think.

I agree with the above posters that China is the big mover here. They have the most to lose since refugees only have to cross the Yalu or Tumen Rivers to make it to China, instead of a demilitarized zone full of landmines between North and South Korea. Another big consideration is that North Korea borders Manchuria, one of China's most resource-rich areas. A flood of refugees into that area will destabilize the region, hampering the internal imperialism China uses to expand and grow its economy by consumption of resources. Manchuria gets very little of the development its resources fund, thus a sudden influx of people will create a more desperate crisis in terms of sanitation, food, work, and political unrest.

China has worked to maintain the status quo in North Korea for decades. That strategy may be failing them now, as alluded to in recent cables saying China sees North Korea as a spoiled child. Nonetheless, the only way Chinese policy will change is if there is a demonstrable benefit over maintaining the NK status quo.

I don't believe NK will use a nuke unless an invasion is literally under way. Remember, nukes aren't really offensive weapons. They exist for deterrent purposes (Cold War, India v Pakistan, Israel's nuke program, et alia). NK doesn't have the precision delivery vehicles to make effective use of the nuclear weapons they have. A nuke attack by the North would likely be followed by a nuclear retaliation in kind by the West, and it would be overwhelming and devastating due to Western powers' necessity of establishing precedent for nuclear response.

There's significant sword rattling going on, partly because the South has allowed the North too much leeway (especially since the sinking of the Cheonan), and partly because NK is going through a transition of power to Kim Jongun. The situation is absolutely tenuous, but neither side wants to fight this war, and the larger sponsors (China and US) are certainly hoping for detente. Hopefully cool heads will prevail.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China uses North Korea as a stick to beat us with. Period. </div></div>

This statement is a bit misleading because people get the idea that China is pulling the puppet strings with the North Korean leadership, and that's simply not true. What's ironic is that most military leaders and historians believed that Russia was the puppet master behind the 1950 North Korean invasion that marked the beginning of the Korean War. A few years back Russia declassified loads of documents from the Soviet era. Among the revelations in those documents is that Stalin had neither known about an impending North Korean invasion of the South, nor did he approve of it in principle. North Korean, then and now, largely makes its own decisions regardless of the desires of its benefactor nation(s).

It's very easy to try and oversimplify North Korean issues (and all geopolitical issues, for that matter). China puts itself first, always. Maintaining the status quo in NK has been Chinese policy since the mid-70s when South Korea's economic development overtook North Korean progress. Up until that point, capitalism wasn't working as well as the command economy of the North. The US pumped in enormous amounts of aid money, and coupled with General Pak Chunghee's fifteen years of dictatorship and the emergence of South Korea's chaebol (monopoly-based) economy, market conditions were finally right for the South Korean economy to expand and prosper.

China in that time was focusing on its own development and growth, largely because of Deng Xiaoping. If any nation can be seen as a major controlling party of either North or South Korea, the US is by far more committed economically and militarily.

China's "go-along-to-get-along" strategy with North Korea may be coming to an end, thankfully. They are the only nation with leverage with the North Korean regime, though they seldom use it in any visible fashion. War in East Asia will be really bad for business, and that's why China will do all it can to ensure North Korea doesn't choose that path. The question is how far will China go to dissuade the North from rash action. That's the wild card right now.

Incidentally, a couple good reads on Korean issues are:

1. <span style="font-style: italic">The Two Koreas</span>, by Don Oberdorfer
2. <span style="font-style: italic">Korea's Place in the Sun</span>, by Bruce Cumings
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What you always have to remember about the Korean peninsula is that geopolitical considerations factor into every discussion and decision. Just like the Korean War wasn't about the unification of the Korean peninsula per se, the present day issues aren't about the two countries either. I've spent a lot of time in and around Korea, and one thing always stands out: there are more hands in the pot than you think.

I agree with the above posters that China is the big mover here. They have the most to lose since refugees only have to cross the Yalu or Tumen Rivers to make it to China, instead of a demilitarized zone full of landmines between North and South Korea. Another big consideration is that North Korea borders Manchuria, one of China's most resource-rich areas. A flood of refugees into that area will destabilize the region, hampering the internal imperialism China uses to expand and grow its economy by consumption of resources. Manchuria gets very little of the development its resources fund, thus a sudden influx of people will create a more desperate crisis in terms of sanitation, food, work, and political unrest.

China has worked to maintain the status quo in North Korea for decades. That strategy may be failing them now, as alluded to in recent cables saying China sees North Korea as a spoiled child. Nonetheless, the only way Chinese policy will change is if there is a demonstrable benefit over maintaining the NK status quo.

I don't believe NK will use a nuke unless an invasion is literally under way. Remember, nukes aren't really offensive weapons. They exist for deterrent purposes (Cold War, India v Pakistan, Israel's nuke program, et alia). NK doesn't have the precision delivery vehicles to make effective use of the nuclear weapons they have. A nuke attack by the North would likely be followed by a nuclear retaliation in kind by the West, and it would be overwhelming and devastating due to Western powers' necessity of establishing precedent for nuclear response.

There's significant sword rattling going on, partly because the South has allowed the North too much leeway (especially since the sinking of the Cheonan), and partly because NK is going through a transition of power to Kim Jongun. The situation is absolutely tenuous, but neither side wants to fight this war, and the larger sponsors (China and US) are certainly hoping for detente. Hopefully cool heads will prevail.</div></div>

This is the kind of analysis I was hoping to read. I did not know Manchuria was a particularly threatened area, nor would I have suspected that the added load of NK refugees, should the war take place, threaten stability there even worse.

My prayers this Christmas have been for peace in that region but my wife and others I've spoken to about this are simply tired of hearing about the destabilizing notions of the North Koreans and wish it over by any means, up to and including violence.

I don't think any of them understand that if anything happens there - virtually anything at all - it means the total and utter destruction of Seoul and everyone who lives there. I just checked - there's 10+ million South Koreans there!
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

Is it known what nukes these guys actually have and can they deliver their payloads with effect ? Why doesn't the USA just stop giving them relief money and leave it to the chinese to feed them ,If they rattle their saber's so what .Can someone fill the gaps in for me a little more.thanks
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

SecState Clinton stated yesterday that the US believes NK has between 1-6 nuclear weapons. These are rudimentary nuclear devices probably similar to our early bombs. The largest missile in their arsenal that I know of is the Taepodong II, a multi-stage missile that theoretically could reach Alaska or the Pacific Northwest, but more likely is limited to East Asia. In test after test, the TPD-II has shown enormous targeting issues, so much so that few experts believe the NK ballistic missile arsenal is effective beyond short range. Then again, NK would never launch against the US. The Kim Regime knows NK would become a parking lot should they launch a direct attack on American soil. North Korea is much more likely to target Japan (probably), or the South (unlikely).

The perception that the US gives North Korea much in the way of aid is grossly overstated. They don't get much from us, except in time of disaster. That aid is used at a diplomatic weapon to generate goodwill among the North Korean population. It was effective enough that the Kim Regime turned it down in 2009 ( link ). Frankly, it was because we didn't fulfill our end of the 1994 Agreed Framework in terms of providing a light water reactor and fuel oil that North Korea restarted its nuclear reactor in Yongbyun. I think they were looking for a reason to restart their nuclear program anyway, but we didn't help matters by reneging.

China does indeed give them more aid money than any other nation, but it's not nearly enough to sustain NK. That's why famine is so widespread there. People are literally scouring the hillsides for tree bark and leaves to boil and eat. Amazingly, North Korea hasn't fallen despite the enormous toll its failed policies have taken on its people.

Still, we are starting to see weariness and unrest within the North Korean population. The most recent catalyst was the currency revaluation a year ago. Because few people were making enough money in their government jobs, enterprising folks created small marketplaces and sold goods to supplement their income. They were selling handicrafts, fruit, vegetables, not the illegal goods like you'd find in a Western black market. Many people engaged in this unauthorized economic activity for years while the government turned a blind eye. For a detailed look at the Kim regime's revaluation, here's the NYTimes report . I personally believe that punishing its citizens and re-asserting power was NK's primary goal, with any inflation control a distant second.

The currency revaluation created more popular unrest than anything we've seen in years, maybe decades, out of North Korea. It's not much, but it's a start. And don't just wonder why the NK people can't rise up against their government and fight for their freedom. It's a complete police state with a sophisticated internal intelligence infrastructure that seeks out any threats. The NK gulag system is no less intimidating or cruel than Stalin's. Read <span style="font-style: italic">The Aquariums of Pyongyang</span> by Kang Chul-hwan for some insight into the NK gulags. It is the autobiography of a former North Korean man who was sent to the gulag for a trifling misstep, and then later escaped and made his way to China, and evenutally to South Korea. His tale will blow your mind. To say the NK gulag system is appalling is an understatement.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

Thank you for your input Sir ! The regime would probably be not that hard to collapse if attacked providing one could stop the red devil next door aiding them one thinks. I would personally doubt their Generals value their lives so little to loose all of theirs -bullies are more often than not cry for mommy when filled with fear .I would enjoy seeing China embargoed for their support of such a foul regime but they could easily point the finger at the west for worse crimes I am sure, still at lest we could all restart our industries and have them bridled like a small poodle
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for your input Sir ! The regime would probably be not that hard to collapse if attacked providing one could stop the red devil next door aiding them one thinks. I would personally doubt their Generals value their lives so little to loose all of theirs -bullies are more often than not cry for mommy when filled with fear .I would enjoy seeing China embargoed for their support of such a foul regime but they could easily point the finger at the west for worse crimes I am sure, still at lest we could all restart our industries and have them bridled like a small poodle </div></div>

Respectfully, your view on this doesn't reflect some of the realities that exist in the complicated relationships of the senior players - China provides us with untold sums of money that we use to prop up our ridiculous federal (deficit-laden) budget. They're our banker, loaning us money we'll never likely pay back (unless we devalue it through inflationary tactics, LOL). They're beginning to suspect that we're doing this, and it's making them mad.

You don't want your banker angry at you do you? After all, he may call in the loan on the Ferrari and the 9700 sq. ft. McMansion, and you may have to take the bus back to your minimum-wage job flipping burgers eventually.

We're in trouble on this one. We've got what, 30k soldiers stationed over in that country? I am praying to God that this whole thing doesn't devolve into some kind of an idiotic dick-measuring contest between NK and SK, if for nothing else than for the families of all the U.S. military personnel serving there. China will likely force peace on this situation because they stand to lose BIGTIME if NK goes down. They're never going to be anybody's "small poodle" as the 21st century is China's century.

I just wonder if they understand that a united Korea, while likely "Kosovo-like" in the turbulence of that situation, would eventually (15 yrs?) be a benefit to everybody in Asia?
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China uses North Korea as a stick to beat us with. Period. </div></div>

This statement is a bit misleading because people get the idea that China is pulling the puppet strings with the North Korean leadership, and that's simply not true. </div></div>

Great info about North Korea, but I still believe that NK serves China well to do what they can't. Our relationship with China is adversarial, at best. We are responsible for most of their economic growth, so they are not going to frontally assault the hand that feeds them. At the same time, we are financially dug into them to an unprecedented level. Strange bedfellows, to be sure.

To the point at hand, a light reading of <span style="text-decoration: underline">Unrestricted Warfare</span>, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui helps one to understand that China views every facet of dealing with the West through the lens of warfare. Therefore, NK serves them as a pawn to be used at their discretion. We must learn the lesson from the Korean Conflict that China will wade in at whatever level serves them and at whatever time serves them, to further their agenda. They have the NK issue in their control...wholesale.
 
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Hi Dave, I've no desire to get into a pissing match with you, but there's a difference between your hunch on North Korea being a Chinese puppet state, and the data and historical examples of that being true. There simply isn't the evidence to back up your claim. In fact, the lack of China's ability to restrain the North's destabilizing posture demonstrates clear independence by the North Korean regime. The guiding philosophy behind North Korea is called "Juch'e", roughly translated as "self-reliance." They aren't puppets because they fiercely resist such attempts (Korean history is a long tale of Chinese and Japanese imperialism), and while China is their only major benefactor these days, the Kim Regime has been more than happy to let its people starve while the NK government gains a political or ideological victory.

In terms of China, our relationship is amazingly complex. China's current strategy is growth toward eventual regional hegemony. Despite the doomsday criers, China's ability to project itself military beyond Asia is nonexistent, which is exactly why Qiao and Wang wrote <span style="font-style: italic">Unrestricted Warfare</span>. In lieu of literal force projection under Western terms, the two Chinese colonels set the IR world a-twitter when they said it was appropriate for China to use every means necessary to gain the advantage on the West. Yes that includes economic and trade warfare, information and electronic warfare, and even diplomatic warfare.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the point at hand, a light reading of Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui helps one to understand that China views every facet of dealing with the West through the lens of warfare. Therefore, NK serves them as a pawn to be used at their discretion.</div></div> Do you see the logical leap you make here? Just because two Chinese colonels write (we're not even taking generals here, let alone Command Staff) that China should use every means possible to face the West does not mean the Chinese state is using North Korea to do its bidding. That assumption means that the Chinese have the ability to manipulate the Koreans as pawns in their grand agenda, which is both factually and historically unsubstantiated.

China's a rising power, but that doesn't mean it pulls all the strings people think it does. I spent a number of months in China researching the Korean refugee status and can tell you honestly, China has quite a long road to go before becoming the international puppet master people make it out to be. While it's a great ghost story, it's not factually true. China is not yet the Keyser Soze of East Asia.

China has the most, by far, to lose in a conflict between the two Koreas. To make the argument that North Korea is under "wholesale" Chinese control, you'd have to demonstrate why China is then hurting itself and its major trading partners (US, South Korea, Japan) by creating this instability on the Korean Peninsula. If China were pulling the strings in North Korea, or could even pull them, then they'd have tamed North Korean nuclear ambitions and kept the NK military from instigating conflict with the South and its allies. If China is the puppetmaster, then it's doing an amazingly poor job thus far of advancing its geopolitical and economic interests.
 
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Thanks for the detailed response. However, I have preconceived biases that will not permit factual data to dissuade
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You clearly have more first hand knowledge of the issue and I am simply left with my mistrust
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I can live with that
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Merry Christmas!
 
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Suffice it to say, the North Korea issue is a complex one. Time will tell if Kim Jongun has the wisdom to modernize and start rapprochement with the South once Kim Jongil dies. I wonder if the Party and the military Command Staff would even allow him to take those steps if he was so inclined.

Either way, there's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of mistrust when dealing with a state like North Korea. They've certainly earned that treatment by their erratic, petulant behavior.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Either way, there's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of mistrust when dealing with a state like North Korea. </div></div>

I was referring to China, but I'll go with NK as well
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I think that 50+ years is long enough to nurture a blood feud stalemate. Sooner or later somebody blinks, and then the the blood flows again. For better or worse, I think this one is finally coming to a resolution.

This is the house the U.N. has built. We already know what fine builders they are...

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the house the U.N. has built. We already know what fine builders they are...

Greg </div></div>

Once again Greg, a fantastic quote
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VYD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">North Korea to China is like Israel to the U.S. - still leashed but out of control bully. </div></div>

Comparing Israel to North Korea...

really?
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Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

Where do you see a comparison??? Rather a connection between NK and China which was already discussed here unless you've missed it. As far as Israel and US, well, we all know how and why we support this inconsiderate and reckless bully. One day someone will teach them a lesson. Hopefully, we will learn ours in advance................
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's ironic is that most military leaders and historians believed that Russia was the puppet master behind the 1950 North Korean invasion that marked the beginning of the Korean War. A few years back Russia declassified loads of documents from the Soviet era. Among the revelations in those documents is that Stalin had neither known about an impending North Korean invasion of the South, nor did he approve of it in principle. North Korean, then and now, largely makes its own decisions regardless of the desires of its benefactor nation(s).</div></div>

That's interesting given the fact that the Soviets had 3,000 advisors in North Korea at the time and had given the NKPA 100's of T34 tanks, 122mm and 76mm artillery much of it self propelled. Not to mention 200 combat aircraft. All of it offensive in nature.
In 1910 the Russians lost Korea to the Japanese and were itching to get it back.

Korea may not be on a Chinese leash but you don't see the Chicoms doing anything but displaying weak rhetoric about NK
sinking of a ROK ship and shelling it's territory.

I think China enjoys seeing it's little neighbor thumb it's nose at the U.S.

One day NK could be useful to them for taking back Formosa.
Time is on China's side.

Another good read,

<span style="font-style: italic">The Darkest Summer, Pusan and Inchon 1950
</span> by Bill Sloan
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's interesting given the fact that the Soviets had 3,000 advisors in North Korea at the time and had given the NKPA 100's of T34 tanks, 122mm and 76mm artillery much of it self propelled. Not to mention 200 combat aircraft. All of it offensive in nature.
In 1910 the Russians lost Korea to the Japanese and were itching to get it back.</div></div>

It's good that you bring this up. Stalin intended to make North Korea a puppet state like he had done in Soviet bloc countries. He had dedicated military assets there and probably had North Korea playing a part in his long-term strategy. Kim Il-sung preempted those plans, much to everyone, including Stalin's surprise. Still, he couldn't make it look like he had lost control of one of his satellites so he backed Kim Il-sung's play. The original Soviet documents don't lie though. Stalin and his planners did not order or approve of the North's attack and invasion of the South.

The NY Times had an article a couple days ago detailing China's increased pressure on North Korea. Here it is. North Korea may finally have crossed the line from asset to liability with China. This is a step in the right direction for China, but it's a small step and we'll see if China asserts itself more in leveraging the North. This lack of action reinforces the earlier point, however. If China could control North Korea easily, it would do so far more effectively.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kim Il-sung preempted those plans, much to everyone, including Stalin's surprise. Still, he couldn't make it look like he had lost control of one of his satellites so he backed Kim Il-sung's play.</div></div>

Good points you bring up here and confirm or enforce the NK's
independent nature.

In 1950 after U.S. Marines stabilized the Pusan area bailing out Army butt in the process, and they really did.
Both the Soviets and Chicoms warned the NK's that the U.S. was up to a power play and would attack their rear by sea and Inchon was a possibility even though it appeared to be logically impossible.
The NK's refused to listen and Inchon took place.

So, yeah, makes sense.

Will the NK's be idiots again and as a result China has to step in again? I hope not.
If they view SK weak then I see it becoming a strong possibility.
 
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& For SURE . if you have not, see this . also: NOT as boring as it sounds .
& right now, It is streaming on NetFlix for instant watching . or you can rent it .

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">National Geographic: Inside North Korea</span></span>

2006 . 50 minute
Disguised as a medical coordinator, National Geographic correspondent Lisa Ling gains access into North Korea and gives viewers a powerful glimpse inside one of the most restrictive countries in the world. Through personal accounts and exclusive footage, Ling exposes the difficulties North Koreans face while living in such an oppressive regime, coping with poverty, hunger and the lack of civil liberties.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">& For SURE . if you have not, see this . also: NOT as boring as it sounds .
& right now, It is streaming on NetFlix for instant watching . or you can rent it .

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">National Geographic: Inside North Korea</span></span>

2006 . 50 minute
Disguised as a medical coordinator, National Geographic correspondent Lisa Ling gains access into North Korea and gives viewers a powerful glimpse inside one of the most restrictive countries in the world. Through personal accounts and exclusive footage, Ling exposes the difficulties North Koreans face while living in such an oppressive regime, coping with poverty, hunger and the lack of civil liberties.
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I saw this last year on campus - it was a terrifying and humbling experience. I have never seen in my life (and I have been studying Nazi Germany and the scourge of Communism since 1975) a more frenetic competition of tyrant-worship than this. Those people are oppressed in a way few Westerners could conceive of and I couldn't imagine a more dysfunctional situation on the planet.
 
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<span style="font-style: italic">I saw this last year on campus - it was a terrifying and humbling experience. I have never seen in my life (and I have been studying Nazi Germany and the scourge of Communism since 1975) a more frenetic competition of tyrant-worship than this. <span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">..." Those people are oppressed in a way few Westerners could conceive of and I couldn't imagine a more dysfunctional situation on the planet</span></span>. "</span>
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& that is pretty much it with you last sentance . Majority of US population is aware of NK & superficially aware with what is filtered to them through our candy coated media view . But In reality it is just ' So Far Out-There ' in it's brainwashed culture ruled by an iron fist with fear and prison work/re-education/death camps . It is like something from outer space to the majority . it is so hard for there minds to believe it can be actually fact .

Majority of US citizens can not even grasp the reality of life of it's neighbor, Communist China . NK is so much more dark sinister than it's neighbor China with it's culture of mandatory life commitment to the Communist Party . NK makes the communist party of China look like a Cake walk .
Reality of life in North Korea . defecting to China is winning the lottery jack-pot. 'but' With the only draw-back being the execution of ALL of your living family members for the actions of one .
Majority of Western culture/USA has no basic public education teachings for it's thought process to capable of understanding NK culture of life . It's culture of life 'So far Out There' with generations of brain-washed belief . With a political culture based on total self-reliance from the outside world and it's influence .
If you are born in N.K. . Kim Jong Il , & your Country is prayed to as your God & giver of life . If you don't . Your life and the lives of your family will Cease to exist . Any act of dissension is 'Mandatory' hard-labor re-education imprisonment & death for You and ALL your family members with no exception .
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Any 'expression of thought'</span> can be judged for Treason, with consequence of life to be condemned to remaining days in re-education & Hard-Labor prison till death .
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Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

ZL,

What of Mao's supplying of 1/3 of the invasion forces at the outset in June of 1950? One of the great Myths about the Korean war is that the Chicoms only jumped in when provoked by MacArthur's approach to the Yalu River in December 195o, after the great push north following the stunning reversal at Inchon.

The fact is, the Chinese were there at the outset.

On another note. Seen this?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.081ed8ef951580bf2ea69716935b211d.921&show_article=1
 
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I care about history, but mainly as prologue.

The history has been a buckshot pattern on the face of the globe, consisting primarily of flash points that were converted into festering wounds by wishful thinking. Holding the dogs at bay, leashed and barking inches from each others' faces, does not lead to peace. It leads to unquenchable enmity, where entire populations seethe to do harm to their neighbors.

Now we have old leashes, holding the original dogs' descendants, schooled only in the hatred of those standing in plain sight. Such animals can have only two fates. Either the leash breaks, or the dog dies of old age, compounded by ceaseless frustration, and another steps up into the collar. This is not a life, and no dog should be doomed to it.

If these were actually dogs, shooting them would be a mercy; but no, we do this to people instead.

I say again, this is the house the U.N. has built.

Greg
 
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From RFE:
On May 27, North Korea announced that it no longer considers itself bound by the cease-fire agreement that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War. That announcement came two days after Pyongyang conducted its second underground nuclear test.

The cease-fire was signed on July 27, 1953, and has never been replaced by a formal peace treaty. It set up a 4-kilometer demilitarized zone along the 38th parallel. It was signed by North Korean and Chinese military leaders on one side, and by the U.S.-led United Nations command on the other. No South Korean representatives signed the agreement, which was always intended as a temporary measure.
End quote.

I think the worst possible outcome, is that our troops will again be carrying the freight in any flaring up of hostilities.
I also think many Americans forget, or have forgotten that the war in Korea never ended, it was only suspended.
Different subject, but loosely connected:
Klinton did a lot of bad things, but "Normalizing" relations with China, under the guise of opening up a new market for American goods (see his announcement speech) was the worst of betrayals.
But people forget, and the Machiavellians count on that.
 
Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ZL,

What of Mao's supplying of 1/3 of the invasion forces at the outset in June of 1950? One of the great Myths about the Korean war is that the Chicoms only jumped in when provoked by MacArthur's approach to the Yalu River in December 195o, after the great push north following the stunning reversal at Inchon.

The fact is, the Chinese were there at the outset.

On another note. Seen this?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.081ed8ef951580bf2ea69716935b211d.921&show_article=1 </div></div>

Honestly I've looked over a lot of the books I've got around the house and haven't found any that say 80k Chinese (People's Volunteer Army) were on the North/South border and poured across as part of the initial invasion force. There were tens of thousands of Chinese troops in Manchuria, however, that quickly mobilized and moved down into the Korean peninsula due to the quid pro quo nature of China and NK's relationship. Those troops weren't moving in June 1950 though, so I'd really like to know where the data comes from saying 80k Chinese troops participated in the invasion. I'm wondering who is putting out that information, since that data isn't found or accepted by most legitimate authorities. Is it archival? I'm not saying you're wrong, just saying I haven't found any references to the numbers you quote. You've definitely got me curious though debating troop numbers of 1950s Korean Peninsula doesn't have enormous relevance on the the relationship North Korea and China have today.

The relationship between the Chinese and the North Korean governments has understandably evolved to what it is today. Where North Korea was a viable ally in 1950, it is a pariah now, a liability diplomatically, economically, and geopolitically for the Chinese. While ideological ties have kept the Chinese as the friendliest nation to North Korea, those ties I think are more overstated now than ever. That's why people think China has a controlling interest in NK, which it does not and has not. China is North Korea's best friend, and its only friend, but that still doesn't mean they are very close, and it certainly doesn't make North Korea a Chinese lackey.

In reference to the Breitbart article, I could definitely see North Korea trying to change its uniforms for deception and/or infiltration missions. They're desperate to gain advantages in a world that has technologically passed them by.
 
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From the Breitbart article,

<span style="font-style: italic">Some North Korean troops stationed along the border have donned a camouflage uniform similar to that worn by South Koreans, apparently to practise intrusion drills, a defence ministry official said Tuesday.

The South's military has begun supplying new "digital camouflage" uniforms and is considering speeding up the distribution following the North's move. </span>

This is a serious development in the situation on the ground. Everyone knows that Multi-cam is the rage this year. Digital sends a dated message to the North. How can the North be enticed to change to modern ways with the use of last year's camo. Very sad, indeed
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Re: Korea: More rhetoric or is it going to "go time?"

ZL,

I'd have to go back and scrounge about for the books and articles I read that formed my statement. Part of it was from Macarthur's memoirs as well articles attributed to intelligence dumped after the fall of the Soviet union. Certainly you are right that a quid pro quo existed since many thousands of NKs fought with Mao in overthrowing Chaing Kai Shek in the Chinese Revolution.

Believe me, I admire the writing you have done thus far and feel it is a revelation wholly different than what I am reading anywhere else. And I believe what you are writing is far more credible, plausible and likely.