Thinking of picking one of these up with no where to put it in my hands. Are people liking them or wishing they would have saved and got something better? Just looking for some pros and cons. Thanks
Krg bravo likes and dislikes?
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I have nothing negative to say about the Bravo. It is my favorite stock.
x2. It is a very comfortable and affordable stock. The staff at KRG are a pleasure to work with.
Likes-
Modularity if a chassis, feel of a stock
Actions drop right in without need for bedding
Relatively lightweight
Dislike-
Plastic on the stock FEELS a bit on the cheap side (does not mean it isn't good quality or durable)
Modularity if a chassis, feel of a stock
Actions drop right in without need for bedding
Relatively lightweight
Dislike-
Plastic on the stock FEELS a bit on the cheap side (does not mean it isn't good quality or durable)
No cons really, it does everything that you could need and as modular as you could ever really need it to be. For the money I can’t think of any other stock that matches it.
I expected the plastic feel, but cheekpiece isn't as stable or robust as I would like. Otherwise very pleased
That’s all good to hear. I am going to save up a bit and get one I think. Thanks for all the replies!
Likes:
Good balance between light weight and function ... has adjustable stock and magazines.
Also has a zillion accessories to enable you to add more weight to your hearts content
It might not have made my $600 wally world Rem700 sps tac aac-sd shoot better but it didn't make it shoot worse.
Nov/Dec groups with Bravo gun 0.64 (32 groups)
Nov/Dec groups with Buddies stock sps tac aac-sd 0.65 (20 groups)
My weigh add was the spigot + nv mount
The support from massaoud in the bolt gun sub-forum is great
There is a good info graphic showing the accessories.
http://kineticresearchgroup.com/wp-...ravo-Chassis-with-Accessories-Infographic.pdf
(I wish McMillan had one of those ^^ )
Dislikes
Stuff comes loose ...
The stock end sling mount fell off twice ... I finally took KRG advice and blue loctited it, it hasn't come off since. They give you quite a few extra bolts nuts and washers, just in case (I guess that is a like )
The NV mount came loose once. I torqued it to 20 and check it a lot
The spigot came loose. Also torqued to 20 and check it a lot - not sure what the torquages are supposed to be
Calling them on the phone gets no response, leave VM, no response. massaoud told me to email and that does get a response. But he responds in the forum faster than the email responders respond in email
The info on the website about the compatibility of some of the accessories is incorrect (per massaud)
There is no provided forward sling mount (so I just use the barrel for my forward sling attach )
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Net / net ... for $349 ... it gives the rem700 sps tac aac-sd an adjustable stock and a magazine. The spigot + NV mount is an extra $298 (hoo lee bat stuff I didn't realize it was that much ) .
The competition for me was McMillan. This issues with McMillan were price and availability, mostly availability. The KRG stuff arrives real fast.
My current plan is to get 2 more Bravo's and convert my other two REM700s to bravos. The bravo rem700 LA has lots of disclaimers ... but I think I'll try it anyway for my .300WM(24). And an SA for my REM700(22) ... both those guns are current in McRee chassis and they work fine, but I'm on a LIGHT kick.
EDIT: And here's the link to the Bravo thread in case you want to read thru the 700+ posts over there
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7816/45957123734_602044690c_h.jpg
Good balance between light weight and function ... has adjustable stock and magazines.
Also has a zillion accessories to enable you to add more weight to your hearts content
It might not have made my $600 wally world Rem700 sps tac aac-sd shoot better but it didn't make it shoot worse.
Nov/Dec groups with Bravo gun 0.64 (32 groups)
Nov/Dec groups with Buddies stock sps tac aac-sd 0.65 (20 groups)
My weigh add was the spigot + nv mount
The support from massaoud in the bolt gun sub-forum is great
There is a good info graphic showing the accessories.
http://kineticresearchgroup.com/wp-...ravo-Chassis-with-Accessories-Infographic.pdf
(I wish McMillan had one of those ^^
)Dislikes
Stuff comes loose ...
The stock end sling mount fell off twice ... I finally took KRG advice and blue loctited it, it hasn't come off since. They give you quite a few extra bolts nuts and washers, just in case (I guess that is a like
)The NV mount came loose once. I torqued it to 20 and check it a lot
The spigot came loose. Also torqued to 20 and check it a lot - not sure what the torquages are supposed to be
Calling them on the phone gets no response, leave VM, no response. massaoud told me to email and that does get a response. But he responds in the forum faster than the email responders respond in email
The info on the website about the compatibility of some of the accessories is incorrect (per massaud)
There is no provided forward sling mount (so I just use the barrel for my forward sling attach
)==
Net / net ... for $349 ... it gives the rem700 sps tac aac-sd an adjustable stock and a magazine. The spigot + NV mount is an extra $298 (hoo lee bat stuff I didn't realize it was that much
) .The competition for me was McMillan. This issues with McMillan were price and availability, mostly availability. The KRG stuff arrives real fast.
My current plan is to get 2 more Bravo's and convert my other two REM700s to bravos. The bravo rem700 LA has lots of disclaimers ... but I think I'll try it anyway for my .300WM(24). And an SA for my REM700(22) ... both those guns are current in McRee chassis and they work fine, but I'm on a LIGHT kick.
EDIT: And here's the link to the Bravo thread in case you want to read thru the 700+ posts over there
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7816/45957123734_602044690c_h.jpg
Best stock I have been behind regardless of price! My first precision rifle was a Sako TRG and I love the ergos and since this is a replica I had to have one to match my other rifles. I ended up replacing a J Allen with a bravo.
The only downside is the cheek piece feels cheap and fragile but in use it is solid and very functional. As far as the weight, I have been thinking about filling parts of the stock with lead shot and epoxy to add weight for my competition rifle but haven’t done it yet.
I also have a McMillan A5, and prefer the Bravo.
You will not regret buying a Bravo.
Here are my 2 bravos with my TRG.
The only downside is the cheek piece feels cheap and fragile but in use it is solid and very functional. As far as the weight, I have been thinking about filling parts of the stock with lead shot and epoxy to add weight for my competition rifle but haven’t done it yet.
I also have a McMillan A5, and prefer the Bravo.
You will not regret buying a Bravo.
Here are my 2 bravos with my TRG.
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My complaints with the Bravo i had were it was too light for certain stuff, too short in the forend, and the grip sits pretty far from the trigger guard. It made for an awkward reach to the trigger for my hand.
The long reach the the trigger is one of the best parts about the bravo for me. I’m 6’5” and usually can not get a proper trigger pull due to my hands being too big for most grips. The bravo is really nice for big people with all the adjustments available.
For me, I would actually like it farther but can easily get a good trigger pull. My wife also likes the bravo and she wears a medium glove. I think if you have a small hand it might not fit but otherwise it should be pretty good to go .
I’m 5’10” medium sized paws, and this has not been a problem for me, or my 4 yr-old son? I will say that if you’re gonna shoot matches with it, do yourself a favor and get the spigot mount from KRG as it will move the bipod forward, which will give you more stability in the prone, and most importantly give you room for a Game-changer under your fore-end...
The Bravos are nice. If you want heavier look into the Boyds Prairie Hunter with Adjustable Comb option. Depending on your action they may or may not have it available. If you want a basic Black textured look that's Tacticool its worth the $197. But I love my Bravo and so does my Howa 1500.
Massaoud mentions in the bravo thread (in the bolt gun subforum) that they had requests to make the Bravo's heavier ... the responders to that statement (myself included) said we got the bravo because it was light !! And, I said I could not think of reasons to make it heavier just to be heavier ... though I did make mine heavier by adding the NV mount.
So what "stuff" is it too light for !!??
well...when i can run a 10 pound MPA or 12 pound MDT. KRG is behind in that aspectMassaoud mentions in the bravo thread (in the bolt gun subforum) that they had requests to make the Bravo's heavier ... the responders to that statement (myself included) said we got the bravo because it was light !! And, I said I could not think of reasons to make it heavier just to be heavier ... though I did make mine heavier by adding the NV mount.
So what "stuff" is it too light for !!??
It’s much easier to add weight to the stock than to remove weight. I’m glad they are light. Like I said above. There is plenty of places to add epoxy and lead shot if you want the extra weight. I would like the extra weight to help mitigate recoil and be more stable to spot my own shots at times for 1 of my rifles. On the other rifle I’m glad it’s light.
the MPA and MDT can both be light too. the difference is they have weights that are DESIGNED for their chassis, not epoxy and lead as a work around
Only in the competition microcosm do people list lightweight under the cons. Under any other circumstance, having all the benefits of a chassis without paying the weight penalty is a benefit.
I have one and really like the light weight. It allows me to still have room for a chunky NF optic... coupled with a short light barrel it makes for a nice handling medium weight field/hunting gun. If I want more weight and better balance I can throw a 26” heavy Palma barrel on and go to town. It will still do just fine without being a 20 pound one-trick-pony.
I have one and really like the light weight. It allows me to still have room for a chunky NF optic... coupled with a short light barrel it makes for a nice handling medium weight field/hunting gun. If I want more weight and better balance I can throw a 26” heavy Palma barrel on and go to town. It will still do just fine without being a 20 pound one-trick-pony.
Well and I agree with you also @Crews there is a time and place for a lightweight rifle and I do love the KRG bravo. If KRG could devise a way like MPA did with the weight system then they would have a bigger homerun than it is now (not to mention another source of revenue from a stock that has alot of adds). The problem is like @b6graham said there is no way to add any weight to the chassis other than redneck engineering.
Bravo
Like everything except not lefty. But it wasn’t the first or the last one I had to mill out. ?
Like everything except not lefty. But it wasn’t the first or the last one I had to mill out. ?
And inversely, not every stock can be everything for everybody. There’s a ton of room for the Bravo as it sits right now in today’s market without having the capability of catering to the specialized needs of competitors.
It sounds like KRG is working on a modular weight kit for their chassis systems that share the W3 backbone (Whiskey-3, X-ray, and Bravo) and it should be out soon-ish.
Still, you're right that they are playing catch-up to MPA and MDT, as both have PRS specific chassis with modular weight kits and integrated Arca rails (though they're competing with the W3 since they're several times the price of a Bravo)
So I have a newbie question that I could probably find somewhere, but since we are on the weight topic I will ask here. What kind of finished weights are the competition guys trying to have their stocks at? Also what kind of weight are you seeing with say a medium weight barrel and the bravo?
MPA 10 pounds with weight kit
Origin 2 pounds
spuhr .5 pound
barrel and brake 7 pounds (MTU and hellfire)
razor gen 2 3 pounds
bipod 3/4 pound
23 pounds right there
I too am afflicted by this special gift of left handedness... All you poor right handed souls. This chassis could easily be manufactured like the hybrid with a cut on the left side for the chosen ones.
Tan rifle is a tikka varmint 223AI with bushnell lrtsi 4.5-18 13.2#
Green and black rifle is bighorn tl2, 24” medium Palma, with wiskey 3 forend, ckye bipod, kahles 6-24 weighs 15.6#
For reference, my trg22 weighs 14.6# with sphur and bushnell ers
Green and black rifle is bighorn tl2, 24” medium Palma, with wiskey 3 forend, ckye bipod, kahles 6-24 weighs 15.6#
For reference, my trg22 weighs 14.6# with sphur and bushnell ers
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Coming from a hunter who is trying to do more shooting, this is funny to me! It’s always how light, even though I have never cared for the featherweights. My heaviest now is about 10-11lbs with scope. But I definitely see the advantages so I am not arguing with this. I think I would like to try to be around the 15lb mark, maybe a little more.
My one and only complaint after shooting a couple competitions with it is the forend is a tad short for my liking. It gets real cramped for space sometimes shooting from a bag on a barricade with a bipod attached. Other than that, love it!
I guess I should clarify myself on my post since everybody and their child doesn't have a problem with the stock. My comment about too light for certain stuff is in regards to competition shooting. I got it with the intent on shooting competitions with it mainly for a budget option. I was going to put in a 6 creed nucleus with a heavier barrel. But one day I was limited on stocks and shot a 6.5 PRC in my Bravo for an ELR club match. It definitely isn't bad at all, I would just prefer a little heavier for that use. I did carry that rifle hunting however and found it wasn't bad to carry at all. I did however find it a little uncomfortable to carry. I attribute that partially to the sling, but also think it is partially due to the shorter forend.
For the trigger reach comment, anyone can pull a trigger on any rifle. For me personally, to use a proper 90 degree pull I was just not a fan of the Bravo in that area. If I am using a stock, I want to be able to get my thumb up on the tang area for consistent placement, not have it pointing up along the side of the grip sort of floated. It is not that big of a deal and I was still able to shoot the rifle fine like that. Everybody has an opinion on their favorite flavor of manners, this is no different.
I hope that clarifies my comment a little. I am not bashing the Bravo, in fact I love the Bravo and would recommend it to anyone given the price point. My recommendation will come with my personal experience with it, however and this is what this forum is about. I realize I am in the minority of everyone having only positive feedback for the stock. This is just my opinion based on my experience. Of course, as everyone has already pointed out, you can take what I say for what you pay for it. Heck, your wife and 4 year old may be much better at LR shooting and much more knowledgeable about the subject than I am.
For the trigger reach comment, anyone can pull a trigger on any rifle. For me personally, to use a proper 90 degree pull I was just not a fan of the Bravo in that area. If I am using a stock, I want to be able to get my thumb up on the tang area for consistent placement, not have it pointing up along the side of the grip sort of floated. It is not that big of a deal and I was still able to shoot the rifle fine like that. Everybody has an opinion on their favorite flavor of manners, this is no different.
I hope that clarifies my comment a little. I am not bashing the Bravo, in fact I love the Bravo and would recommend it to anyone given the price point. My recommendation will come with my personal experience with it, however and this is what this forum is about. I realize I am in the minority of everyone having only positive feedback for the stock. This is just my opinion based on my experience. Of course, as everyone has already pointed out, you can take what I say for what you pay for it. Heck, your wife and 4 year old may be much better at LR shooting and much more knowledgeable about the subject than I am.
Only complaints I have is with the plastic feel on the cheek and grip. It's slick, and feels kinds cheap. An overmold there would have been cool, but could very well drastically increase cost/logistics.
You can use this to remedy the above pretty easily yourself. I also did neoprene on the cheek piece for a while, but it shreds up pretty quick.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-x-12-Sheet-Textured-Rubber-Coated-Traction-Safety-Tape-Gun-Grips-Cell-Phones/152958537646?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
You can use this to remedy the above pretty easily yourself. I also did neoprene on the cheek piece for a while, but it shreds up pretty quick.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-x-12-Sheet-Textured-Rubber-Coated-Traction-Safety-Tape-Gun-Grips-Cell-Phones/152958537646?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
I love hearing “all” of the different opinions. Some apply to some people and some don’t. The little things that bug someone might be the same thing that bugs me. Thanks for your response
I liked the Bravo alright. Pretty comfortable, no real complaints on the ergonomics. Is did bug me a little, though, that they give you flush cups for the rear of the gun and no included mlok attachment point for the fore end. Had to go buy one separate. Maybe just throw it in and tack on a little cash? Anyhow, that’s a small nit-pick. Then, if your going to do competition with it, you’ll want the ARCA rail, and the spigot... and, well.... then you’ll start to want a Whiskey 3. Isn’t that how it goes with everything, though?
Does anyone hunt with the KRG Bravo?
I have a T1X that I am slowly building out. I have a T3x in Oryx, but given the weight savings I think I would prefer to throw the T1X in a Bravo.
I am just wondering if the gun has felt heavy for those running a larger optic in Bravo?
Most of my shooting will be target shooting but I'd like to find a lighter chassis that I can do some pest control with as well.
I have a T1X that I am slowly building out. I have a T3x in Oryx, but given the weight savings I think I would prefer to throw the T1X in a Bravo.
I am just wondering if the gun has felt heavy for those running a larger optic in Bravo?
Most of my shooting will be target shooting but I'd like to find a lighter chassis that I can do some pest control with as well.
I hunt with my bravo.
Weight... is personal preference. Basically plan on the bravo adding just over 2lbs over the original T1X stock.
Most people add weight to the Bravo chassis. Easy to add lead shot to the empty cavity’s and then remove the weight come hunting season.
I like most everything about my Bravo's. They make a great weight system.
I like mine very well. I hadn't handled very many stocks or chassis at all before purchasing, but dove in mostly due to the rave reviews on here.
I found it comfortable and easy to set up.
I've handled several stocks and chassis since, and I've yet to handle any chassis that I like any better (maybe the Whiskey 3). Stockwise, maybe a Manners T2 (for another $800).
I've hunted and carried it just a bit. Shot a few long range steel matches with it. No PRS YET!
All up, my rifle weights 15lbs, but it's just a .22BR, so I don't really see the need to make it a 25lb gorilla.
I'll likely add a spigot mount for my Atlas and some steel buttplate spacers for about another pound, but that should do it. If I ever want more weight, I cast my own pistol bullets, so there's plenty of lead laying around and lots of places to put it on the Bravo. Plus their options for ARCA rails and forend weights.
I will say I think you'd have to stuff it full of lead to get it up to 10lbs, if that's what you REALLY want to pack around.
I found it comfortable and easy to set up.
I've handled several stocks and chassis since, and I've yet to handle any chassis that I like any better (maybe the Whiskey 3). Stockwise, maybe a Manners T2 (for another $800).
I've hunted and carried it just a bit. Shot a few long range steel matches with it. No PRS YET!
All up, my rifle weights 15lbs, but it's just a .22BR, so I don't really see the need to make it a 25lb gorilla.
I'll likely add a spigot mount for my Atlas and some steel buttplate spacers for about another pound, but that should do it. If I ever want more weight, I cast my own pistol bullets, so there's plenty of lead laying around and lots of places to put it on the Bravo. Plus their options for ARCA rails and forend weights.
I will say I think you'd have to stuff it full of lead to get it up to 10lbs, if that's what you REALLY want to pack around.
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